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    .... and you live in a state where suppressors amd 80% lowers are essentially "bad" like Massachusetts, California, etc..... you may want to rethink your decision making process. Whenever I see these stories pop up, they tend to be in a lefty state...

    www.masslive.com

    Investigation into Chinese shipments leads to discovery of ‘ghost guns’ in Massachusetts; AR-15 style rifle, silencers among items being seized

    The discovery of "ghost guns" in Massachusetts was detailed in a search warrant affidavit.
    www.masslive.com www.masslive.com
     
    Other moral of the story, your Credit Card company or PP or such is probably turning over all your purchase history on a regular basis without being asked.
    That's before we get to all you do online being monitored and shared around by anyone that wants it.

    I see they are beating the drums to get rid of "Ghost Guns".
    That is probably the hill we need to tell the stupid Republicans and also Trump, that if you go there, we toss you out of office even if that means letting Democrats in.
     
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    If these 'solvent traps/fuel filters' were being advertised as do it yourself Supressors, just file a Form 1 before building, this would be less of a headache for all. But seeing them marketed as anything but is going to bite us hard in the ass. The Hearing Protection Act died because the Vegas shooter was using bump stocks in his shooting spree. It was hard for Republicans to move the HPA forward to deregulate one NFA item when someone used backdoored NFA-like items to kill many people. All it is going to take is someone on either side of the riots now to use a 'solvent trap' to shoot at the other side, and we will never see cans getting off the NFA roster. I had the ad for a 'fuel filter' pop up in my FaceBook feed last week, and it wasn't hard to see what they were really offering, and the comments showed those interested also knew what was really being sold.
     
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    I know this all to well last week I attempted to buy potatoes and the Grocer called the ATF on me. I
    told him I was using the potatoes to make french fries but he didn't buy my story.

    patato gun.jpg
     
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    IrishWind said:
    If these 'solvent traps/fuel filters' were being advertised as do it yourself Supressors, just file a Form 1 before building, this would be less of a headache for all. But seeing them marketed as anything but is going to bite us hard in the ass. The Hearing Protection Act died because the Vegas shooter was using bump stocks in his shooting spree. It was hard for Republicans to move the HPA forward to deregulate one NFA item when someone used backdoored NFA-like items to kill many people. All it is going to take is someone on either side of the riots now to use a 'solvent trap' to shoot at the other side, and we will never see cans getting off the NFA roster. I had the ad for a 'fuel filter' pop up in my FaceBook feed last week, and it wasn't hard to see what they were really offering, and the comments showed those interested also knew what was really being sold.
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    The Vegas shooter was dead before the belt fed starting firing. What a load of horseshit that was and is.
     
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    deersniper said:
    All those mags and guns stacked up like a gun banners wet dream for a photo op

    The fact that no bump stock has ever been as reliable as the gun used in the shooting.
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    Ever listen to the audio portion of the shooting? Ever fire a full auto? have you played with a bumpstock?
    When I first heard the audio, I knew it wasnt a legit full auto. Stutter, stop, irregular reports
     
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    Having been able to shoot full auto several times, the Vegas shooting sounded 'off' when the videos started populating in the aftermath. I doubt the shooter had access to real NFA controlled full auto weapons. And while we can debate the whole NFA till we are blue in the face, I never messed with with loopholes or back doors because I prefer NOT having talks with the government that end up in me having a new roommate named Ben Dover for the next 20 years.
     
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    deersniper said:
    All those mags and guns stacked up like a gun banners wet dream for a photo op

    The fact that no bump stock has ever been as reliable as the gun used in the shooting.
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    Bump stocks. Sure. You are going to murder people and then off yourself? Why not just turn on your shit? Its easy and way more reliable. The whole thing just didn't add up. It's BS.
     
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    Guy was intelligent and had money. Could have bought legit machine guns. Or if that would have raised “red flags” as the deniers say, he could have made them.
     
    Lots of compelling evidence to contradict the non existent police report. Along with a huge censorship campaign, media blackout. Then in 2 weeks it all just dissappeared.

    My favorite was when the 3rd party audio forensic guy did a workup on the videos analyzing shot repor with impacts to indicate distance. And how it implicated multiple shooters.
     
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    phxfa said:
    Ever listen to the audio portion of the shooting? Ever fire a full auto? have you played with a bumpstock?
    When I first heard the audio, I knew it wasnt a legit full auto. Stutter, stop, irregular reports
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    There was some of that, but i feel like it was the muzzle being pointed in multiple directions and finding a target and compensation for angle and distance. Walking it in. Some of it kind sounded like a bumpstock but then a lot of it sounded very different.
     
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    Threadcutter308 said:
    You aren't the same guy that bought all the toilet paper a couple of months ago and your girlfriend was going to leave you over it, are you ? :unsure: :whistle: :eek: :rolleyes:
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    Lol...nope. That was "blue"something IIRC. I am OldSalty, just with the "2".
     
    On another note there was recently an online retailer of solvent traps which was raided by the Feds and therefore so were their records of shipments.
     
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    hlee said:
    There is nothing inherently illegal about owning a solvent trap. There is nothing inherently illegal about a home built suppressor. File the paperwork and get your stamp before you begin...
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    Agreed. But how many of the "What part of NOT infringed don't you understand?" crowd have filed a form 1 with their trap/filter? I'm guessing a low percentage. And it is those attitudes that cause more laws to get slapped on us.
     
    IrishWind said:
    Agreed. But how many of the "What part of NOT infringed don't you understand?" crowd have filed a form 1 with their trap/filter? I'm guessing a low percentage. And it is those attitudes that cause more laws to get slapped on us.
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    Right. It's those ignorant rednecks that don't understand the gov has every right to outlaw, regulate or otherwise infringe upon the possession of certain arms that put my right to own grandpappy's sxs at risk. Those arrogant assholes!
     
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    MtnCreek said:
    I'm pretty sure irishwind is what you get when you combine haggis with dark beer.
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    I would call you a dumb racist hick. But you are the one with the flag of a defeated group of anti-American traitors as you avatar. And you can't even get your racism right. I'll help you. Haggis is a Scottish dish. Not Irish. You fookin loser.
     
    Also I never said ignorant rednecks. You did. So you insulted yourself. Again, you fookin loser.
     
    I don't care if it was a full auto or bump stock the hearing protection act was never going to pass, and the simple fact that our privileges to firearms or accessories are dependent on the actions of one individual and the damage they caused means that we do not have rights.

    You may continue being distracted and arguing amongst yourselves while they continue to steal more of your privileges.
     
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    And you are who again? I can't recall anything you have said.

    But feel free to keep scrolling. I would hate for you limited vocabulary and intellect to make you feel bad.
     
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    W54/XM-388 said:
    Other moral of the story, your Credit Card company or PP or such is probably turning over all your purchase history on a regular basis without being asked.
    That's before we get to all you do online being monitored and shared around by anyone that wants it.
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    Bingo. But it's all worthwhile, otherwise The Terrorists would have won.

    There was that post on here a couple of months ago of the guy who got a visit from local LE and an Alphabet Boi regarding his bulk purchases of legitimate fuel filters. For every one of those stories that make it online, how many go unreported?

    Guaran-fuckin-tee there is an algorithm running on an NSA server somewhere that connects the dots between purchases of parts, various pieces of carbide tooling, and miscellaneous titanium and stainless "drops". Needless to say, anyone making such purchases in a fashion that can be electronically traced shouldn't be taking any risks by drilling holes before the stamped paperwork arrives, despite what all the brave keyboard warriors here will suggest (said warriors having far greater number of crumbs on their lap than chips on their shop floor).

    And anyone who has malicious intent could pull off this task far more subtly than buying solvent traps online with a credit card and having them sent to their home address. But those are the easiest breadcrumbs to follow, and odds are that eventually at least one bozo will have poked some holes prior to the arrival of his stamped paperwork, and so all this surveillance and legwork and maybe even some entrapment is deemed worthwhile. All because some bozos 86 years ago decided that mufflers were intrinsically dangerous, and because no one has had the balls since then to reverse this mistake.
     
    hlee said:
    There is nothing inherently illegal about owning a solvent trap. There is nothing inherently illegal about a home built suppressor. File the paperwork and get your stamp before you begin...
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    Unless you live in a not so free state that doesn't allow them under any circumstances. Pretty sure those are the main suspects.
     
    I'd be sketched out even though I live in a free state. Constructive intent and whatnot, could be blown out of proportion but I really would rather not piss off the ATF, as much as I dislike them.
     
    onion said:
    I'd be sketched out even though I live in a free state. Constructive intent and whatnot, could be blown out of proportion but I really would rather not piss off the ATF, as much as I dislike them.
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    If anyone has an actual story of someone being convicted of an NFA violation based upon "constructive possession" (possession of solvent trap + drill press or whatever), please share it. I'm not saying it hasn't happened - only that any court case I've stumbled across has involved someone actually assembling parts into a form that is clearly illegal under current law.

    I do know there have been some seriously sketchy convictions based upon constructive intent of SBRs, so hopefully we don't need to go down that rabbit hole (although I suspect we will).
     
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    Here is one: https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-filter-silencer/

    It looks like the ATF is more interested in the people making and selling the traps/filters than the individual that is buying them. The guy who went to jail did complete it into a suppressor without a Form1.

    Not my advice, but a board I used to be on had some smart NFA guys on it. They claimed Constructive Intent only applied to full auto, not SBRs and cans. I never did see any cites to law, code, or cases on that. So I prefer to stay on the safe side and just assume the ATF could apply Constructive Intent. I just finished my first SBR build in the spring. While the Form1 was out, I bought all the parts except for the barrel, and I do have an old AR barrel lying around.
     
    There is no "constructive intent", or else any half-wit with a machine shop can be considered a felon. There is "constructive possession". I can't be busted for having a lathe and a bunch of tubing. Maybe I can be busted for having some threaded tubes, a handful of punched freeze plugs, and an end cap with a hole drilled through it. Put the latter scenario into the category of "fuck around and find out".

    Things like "fuel filters" that have a 5/8-24 thread on one end and a hole straight through the middle are going to get someone in trouble. Just don't. Or at least don't by ordering parts online with a credit card and have them shipped to your home address, unless you're looking to fight existing case law. And if that's the case, best of luck and I'll probably send ya a few dollars to help with the legal bills.

    Edit: here's more on the guy who got convicted for the "fuel filter":

    foxbaltimore.com

    Edgewood man sentenced to prison, admits to illegally manufacturing firearms

    EDGEWOOD, Md. (WBFF) – An Edgewood man has been sentenced to nearly three-and-a-half years in prison for possessing an unregistered firearm silencer.The sentence, handed down on Tuesday by a U.S. District judge, stems from a case in which the perpetrator,
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    "According to Candelario’s plea agreement, a confidential source from the Baltimore division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) bought six rifles – both automatic and semi-automatic -- and two silencers from him between April 15 and June 16.

    For their transactions, the pair typically met at a gas station parking lot. Candelario told the ATF source that he was manufacturing the guns and silencers he was selling and that he had other customers for whom he was making AR15-style weapons, according to his plea agreement."

    Sounds like he found a line, and then jumped right across it.
     
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    IrishWind said:
    I doubt the shooter had access to real NFA controlled full auto weapons.
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    Access to full autos has nothing to do with it. 15 minutes and some stiff wire is all someone needs to make an AR full auto. Besides, you can also buy all the factory parts to convert without so much as a question. Access to a 3d printer allows you to build a plastic trip that works well.
     
    E. Bryant said:
    If anyone has an actual story of someone being convicted of an NFA violation based upon "constructive possession" (possession of solvent trap + drill press or whatever), please share it. I'm not saying it hasn't happened - only that any court case I've stumbled across has involved someone actually assembling parts into a form that is clearly illegal under current law.

    I do know there have been some seriously sketchy convictions based upon constructive intent of SBRs, so hopefully we don't need to go down that rabbit hole (although I suspect we will).
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    I haven't heard of anything, just stories and lore on various forums and stuff. I'd be curious to read about something concrete though.
     
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    deersniper said:
    The Vegas shooter was dead before the belt fed starting firing. What a load of horseshit that was and is.
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    IDK, but the fact this was memory-holed so quickly makes me inherently suspicious. Not to mention the fact that dudes whole life history didnt play out on social media also is a flag IMO. Perhaps neither "side" could find enough info to use it as an advantage for gain...

    IMO, the "conspiracy theories" in this one are a direct and natural result of how all this went down.

    Me thinks the authorities have way more info, but it will never be share with the plebs...

    Sad.
     
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    Would it help that the definition of constructive intent is having all the parts on hand, even if seperated, without the permits to assemble? Having the fire control parts for an M16 in a box and AR is enough for the ATF to say you intended to do assemble the gun into a full auto. Having a machine shop isn't.
     
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