Congrats. You have no way of knowing your vote counted or wasn’t tossed or changed. Am I right? Prove me wrong. Ok for all that have to but I admit I am seriously questioning the legitimacy of this election.
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Nope I don't want to change your mind I agree I want to go vote . Press the screen and make my choices in person , but even then how could you prove your state counted your vote . If my state came up with 20 million votes out of the blue I might personally see that as a sign of fraud , I am not sure how many people actually live in even my tiny state I can only assume a million or so in the big city and a lot less in the surrounding areas . I have no proof either way and in a blue dimacratic controlled state I only assume there will be fraud and that's an assumption not a known fact . I pray for the best outcome and prepare for the worst .
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I think the majority of mail in ballots will be biden voters , you know ..... lazy motherf'ers .
So if there ballots get lost sounds good to me !
Another high note to this is the early voting where I'm at is averaging 4 lto 8 hr lines . NO way those thosd sorry ass biden voters are gonna stand in line for 8 hrs , unless of course they start handing out some government cheese.
Prove it...well that part is impossible. No one can say 100% your vote was counted. Unless we start making people put stamped fingerprints on paper ballots we will never know.
I will not do mail voting. All mail voting should be illegal. Period.
I do the absentee ballot.
I drop it off on Election Day. 22 years of being legal to and voting.
I didn't just start believing that crooked people will do anything for money and power. (notice this isn't just the Demwits.....)
My friend Jim was the original conspiracy theorist I met at about 13 at martial arts. He was one of the instructors.
Still in contact 27 yrs later. All the stuff he said back then, keeps happening......
I drop it off on Election Day. 22 years of being legal to and voting.
I didn't just start believing that crooked people will do anything for money and power. (notice this isn't just the Demwits.....)
My friend Jim was the original conspiracy theorist I met at about 13 at martial arts. He was one of the instructors.
Still in contact 27 yrs later. All the stuff he said back then, keeps happening......
How do you know your in person vote was not tossed, changed, or not counted?
I've been voting by mail for ten years. I used to travel out of state for hunting season and it always took place the week of the elections.
I have just as much faith in my vote counting had I done it in person.
Just because you filled yours out and put it into a machine doesn't mean shit either.
I have just as much faith in my vote counting had I done it in person.
Just because you filled yours out and put it into a machine doesn't mean shit either.
There’s literal videos of postal workers tossing votes into dumpsters.
Once when I voted in person the machine (electronic touch screen) kept changing the person I voted for to the opposite person. I went to the person in charge and they had me move to a different machine. But they did not take that machine out of the rotation. So I complained and waited until they unplugged the machine and covered it up. I wonder how many people voted and didn't catch it before I said something.
Tough to vote in person when you're OCONUS during the election. Which is why I did my absentee last week.
I agree with you. However, how do we know that someone didn’t manipulate the computers that you use to vote on Election Day? Computer crimes are at an all time high. I just don’t trust anything involved with the elections any more.
With that being said, I will go vote 4 Trump in person on November 3rd.
Well, on my ballot in Texas there was no spot for a Notary I saw, and there's nothing in any of the instructions involving a notary. I registered to vote in accordance with all Texas ID laws and did every step in requesting the absentee ballot and sending it in. So, unless they magically snuck in a hidden notary provision.... I'm pretty sure I'm good.
Here in Washoe Co., Nevada I received my ballot, filled it out the next day and drove down to the county clerk's office and dropped it off there. I was told it would be counted on election day and with the number on the receipt of the ballot, I could trace it. I was the only one in line to drop it off, but when I did, about a half dozen people arrived waiting to drop their ballots off early as well. Thank goodness for early voting/drop off.
About a week later, I received a sample ballot to help me so I could make my decisions. Better late then never.
In California, the Republicans are being so helpful by making off their own drop off boxes to assist in the voting.
About a week later, I received a sample ballot to help me so I could make my decisions. Better late then never.
In California, the Republicans are being so helpful by making off their own drop off boxes to assist in the voting.
People laugh at the six people that show up to Biden rallies but that may be an ominous sign. That could mean the large crowds know they don't have to turn out to show support, unless it's a riot, because they figure the fix is in and they can sit at home and mail in their dead relatives ballots.
If Trump and Republicans somehow survive this election, mail in voting should be outlawed. This is bullshit.
If Trump and Republicans somehow survive this election, mail in voting should be outlawed. This is bullshit.
Didn't the Postal Workers Union endorse Biden? Considering that, & their track record, I'll risk Covid before I let those folks handle my vote.
Sure, you cant prove vote counted with either method. But that is deflection from reality that..
There is a much higher degree of potential fuckery with mail in voting. Dont believe it? Go research and draw own conclusions.
There is a much higher degree of potential fuckery with mail in voting. Dont believe it? Go research and draw own conclusions.
The last vote I did was a mail in. In Utah, you can check the status of your ballot via the states voting website. A couple of days after you mail in your ballot you can log in and get confirmation of who you had voted for and that is was counted.
I checked the status of my ballot this morning and can see that its currently in transit.
If my mailman wants to throw my ballot in a river, I cant stop him. If my ballot doesn't show up in my mail box, I can walk my ass into a voting location and do it in person. There have always been, and will always be people who want to sabotage a vote. You just need to be vigilant about doing your civic duty.
I checked the status of my ballot this morning and can see that its currently in transit.
If my mailman wants to throw my ballot in a river, I cant stop him. If my ballot doesn't show up in my mail box, I can walk my ass into a voting location and do it in person. There have always been, and will always be people who want to sabotage a vote. You just need to be vigilant about doing your civic duty.
This is all totally unnecessary to fix a problem that didn't exist; unless you're out of the country due to active duty, bed-ridden at home or in a hospital, or you're a criminal communist regime trying to rig an election and overthrow a government.
There is at least one story per day about mail in vote fuckery. Intentional, perhaps not. But that is an aside. If you can track cool, and if your vote doesnt show up let us know how that complaint you file progresses through the system..lol.
Ill be voting in person and will be taking my elderly parents and a handful of elderly relatives and family friends along with me.
Ill be voting in person and will be taking my elderly parents and a handful of elderly relatives and family friends along with me.
Thats been a concern of mine for years as well.
So i vote absentee for the state of FL. I get full tracking info when they send it and when they RCV it. My county is always red so im sure it gets counted. No notary as well
FYI: Alot of active duty members cant walk to the polls
FYI: Alot of active duty members cant walk to the polls
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I dont believe that mail in ballots were necessarily to address a problem. I have always identified mail in ballots as on opportunity to reach a wider audience.
Sure, its ideal for people who can't get to a voting station. But if it helps get some fat ass vote who otherwise wouldn't have left their house, I dont understand why anyone should view that as a problem.
Our own president has voted through mail in ballots. He wasn't overseas or in a hospital. It was ideal for him because it was convenient.
Gmafb, those you speak of have no issue making it to a mc d's drivetrough window...
And just because trump did it, doesnt give the idea or practice any additional merit.
Some fatass thats too lazy to get off their fatass unless it's to shuffle down to the store or check the mailbox to see if their gov. check has arrived, who do you think they're going to vote for? People have stood in long lines to enter this country legally and stood in lines to be declared a U.S. citizen so they had the right to free elections. Anyone that isn't a parasite find it an honor to stand in line and vote.
And no, Pres. Trumps not a parasite but a busy man, unlike the millions of turds waiting on the mailman for their 'gubmint check.
mail in ballots are subject to fraud since there is no address verification, while absentee ballots have to be checked for matching signatures.
there is no way to tell who filled out these mass mailed ballots.
When this is all over, my mail in vote and your in person vote will both count the same.
The great thing about fat people is they vote for Trump too! Just ask the whole state of Alabama
Sir, you're talking to a fat Trump voter!
In Utah, this isnt true. I cant speak for other states, but the ballots address has to match the address recorded on the state voter registration. Beyond that, they do validate the signature applied to the ballot. There is a big note on my ballot that clearly states that the signature will be validated against the signature on your voter registration. If it doesn't match, your vote isn't counted
sounds like you have a real absentee ballot.
there are hundreds of thousands of voters that moved or died, and they will be sent a ballot for somebody to fill out.
I've seen that demonstrated here in Ohio,
Buddy's mother was assisted by them, and he wasn't a happy camper.
And hopefully the address and signature validation againt the voter registration information prevents them from being counted.
If hundreds of thousands of ballots are sent out, what percentage of that number will successfully be forged. I would be surprised if its more than .0001%. Certainly not enough to determine the outcome.
If for some reason this vote ends up being that close, you can guarantee there will be a lot of investigation to determine the level of fraud.
I suspect there is a much higher likelihood of fraud by hacking an electronic system. It would by far most difficult to trace and could potentially have a much higher impact.
My Grandson just cast his first Presidential vote by mail. He placed the ballot in our mailbox for pickup, which is our method for posting outgoing mail. The bills always end up getting paid, so...
So, my issue is that there are so many hand-offs by people who are not members of any voting commission acting as middlemen in this whole process. Even assuming that there is not one single, tiny speck of evil contained within that assemblage of human hearts, I also contend that where humans are involved, error is always a factor. I'm not willing to force my ballot to run that gauntlet, and I sincerely doubt the altruism of those who would advocate such.
My Wife and I will cast our ballots in person, as always.
I do not attempt to influence my family's voting activities. I consider that to be one of the most sacrosanct activities a citizen can participate in.
I recognize that somewhere in the not so distant future, the entire process will be reduced to something resembling an Internet App. While I welcome that day; as a lifelong I/T Professional, I am obliged to accept that computer code can only be a trustworthy as the people who do the coding.
I do not, and never will trust AI; for when the program rewrites itself, nobody can predict the outcome.
There is no sure and certain way.
Greg
So, my issue is that there are so many hand-offs by people who are not members of any voting commission acting as middlemen in this whole process. Even assuming that there is not one single, tiny speck of evil contained within that assemblage of human hearts, I also contend that where humans are involved, error is always a factor. I'm not willing to force my ballot to run that gauntlet, and I sincerely doubt the altruism of those who would advocate such.
My Wife and I will cast our ballots in person, as always.
I do not attempt to influence my family's voting activities. I consider that to be one of the most sacrosanct activities a citizen can participate in.
I recognize that somewhere in the not so distant future, the entire process will be reduced to something resembling an Internet App. While I welcome that day; as a lifelong I/T Professional, I am obliged to accept that computer code can only be a trustworthy as the people who do the coding.
I do not, and never will trust AI; for when the program rewrites itself, nobody can predict the outcome.
There is no sure and certain way.
Greg
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In the future, I envision that digital personal assistants will reside within human brains, accompanied by network and cloud access, memory upgrades, and microprocessing code sets. The future is unknowable and infinite, and humanity may well be experiencing its final moments as standalone thought processing units, as Clarke suggested in Childhood's End. All change has always exhibited binary outcomes, both good and bad, and the differences may well turn out to be highly subjective. Whatever they may be, I welcome them, for by such changes, humanity becomes a grander thing.
Humanity must become a space faring species; indeed a space inhabiting species. The definition of humanity has been incrementally upgrading itself over hundreds of thousands of years. We change, we adapt to our changed relationship with our universe, and we always seem to manage to prosper. It's what we do; as a species we are the most successful thinking survivors our planet has yet been able to produce.
My only regret is that I'll not be there to see it. But maybe the Bible holds true promise in that respect.
I'll take that bet.
Greg
Humanity must become a space faring species; indeed a space inhabiting species. The definition of humanity has been incrementally upgrading itself over hundreds of thousands of years. We change, we adapt to our changed relationship with our universe, and we always seem to manage to prosper. It's what we do; as a species we are the most successful thinking survivors our planet has yet been able to produce.
My only regret is that I'll not be there to see it. But maybe the Bible holds true promise in that respect.
I'll take that bet.
Greg
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In my state Washington we don't have polls it's all mail in voting has been for years, you can go to a voting drop off site on election day and drop off your ballot, that's what I do don't know if it matters but don't trust any of this mail in voting bullshit.
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Same way down South in Oregon, it's the ONLY way the State allows you to vote. ( Mail-in and Drop Box )
And not that Oregon is even taken seriously relevant in any political Nation election equation to it's outcome. I don't think that Oregon State is even relevant at all for the vote count in Presidential election .
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But Paper mail-in ballots here is done by a ( signature matching ) a vote registration card that you could have done many years earlier .
Here Oregon you actually only put your Hand Signed Signature on the outside envelope that is holding your Ballot, that is said to have Anonymity.
You have to put a Signature on the ' outside mailing Envelope ' , sign here , X _________________ , space provided . To be valid and accepted.
what I not sure ??? , ( don't know if I am even correctly thinking ? ) . but I think other than the outside of your mail-in ballot Envelope with your Address and Your Hand Signature . Because you don't put a signature on the ballot itself.
Once your vote ballot is separated from envelope that is carrying it, and standing on it's own.
( what I am not sure of ??? ) past that point, once separated apart , ' Ballot from it's envelope' Is there nothing to connect the Ballot to the actual Voter who filed it out ?
And this what I always thought a little Shady . So Oregon for a Ballot Vote Trace, and seeing if your vote made it to the Election Count, and that you did Vote.
Your ( Envelope ) with ( Signature ) ... might have made it there and your Envelopes signature was verified or rejected, and is said to be Tracked if check is made .
But Was your ( Anonymity Ballot ) that was sealed in the signed envelope, with no signature connection to you, Was your personal vote choices actually accepted/counted that was inside the State verified Envelope ?.
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I'm really glad, that we live in a small town. We can walk to the polling palace in 10 minutes.
Takes us about 15 min., from the time we walk in, cast, then leave (per last time). I'll have less than an hour invested. Probably will be on the porch, with a double Jack, a smoke, watching the world pass me by, while I wait on the results (I should be pretty drunk by then, especially if it takes a week or more, LoL!) Mac
Takes us about 15 min., from the time we walk in, cast, then leave (per last time). I'll have less than an hour invested. Probably will be on the porch, with a double Jack, a smoke, watching the world pass me by, while I wait on the results (I should be pretty drunk by then, especially if it takes a week or more, LoL!) Mac
I'm working at maintaining an even keel during this election, and it's not easy work. I've seen a lot of them, and although this one has its true moments of oddness; they have all been tensely awaited.
It's an election. We will have an undeniable outcome despite several deliberate efforts to postpone and cloud the outcome.
The important part of that outcome is that it be believable. If that isn't the case, the people will have their say about that, too.
The point about elections is that they are the most reasonable alternative to widespread civil strife.
I think it has become very recognizable that one side flatly refuses to support that process.
If there be strife, let it be on their heads that the ultimate outcome falls.
I am an amateur student of our American Civil War, and have participated in a hot war overseas. Many here posting have not (yet) seen the process from up close. It is brutal, ugly, and wasteful of that most precious of currencies, human life, American life. I don't want this, and once one thinks it out, I don't think you do, either.
Worst of all is the collateral damage. Those who wage civil war also jeopardize their own families and friends, regardless of what role those additional victims would play.
I don't want that, and if we're to be honest about it; none of us does.
Greg
It's an election. We will have an undeniable outcome despite several deliberate efforts to postpone and cloud the outcome.
The important part of that outcome is that it be believable. If that isn't the case, the people will have their say about that, too.
The point about elections is that they are the most reasonable alternative to widespread civil strife.
I think it has become very recognizable that one side flatly refuses to support that process.
If there be strife, let it be on their heads that the ultimate outcome falls.
I am an amateur student of our American Civil War, and have participated in a hot war overseas. Many here posting have not (yet) seen the process from up close. It is brutal, ugly, and wasteful of that most precious of currencies, human life, American life. I don't want this, and once one thinks it out, I don't think you do, either.
Worst of all is the collateral damage. Those who wage civil war also jeopardize their own families and friends, regardless of what role those additional victims would play.
I don't want that, and if we're to be honest about it; none of us does.
Greg
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We fought communism and fascism on the back side of the world in remote countries. We now have communists here on American soil, in our government, schools, cities and our neighborhoods, arming up and saying they are going to kill us and eradicate us.
I'm going to do everything I can to make those commies eat their words and make their last dying thought "Oh, shit, I fuc't up..."
I'm going to do everything I can to make those commies eat their words and make their last dying thought "Oh, shit, I fuc't up..."
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Sure, let me drive 3 hours home to vote and turn around and drive back.
I always do absentee and my wife drops them at the courthouse that morning. Gives you plenty of time to research a candidate you've never heard of, and I can keep making that money to pay for the welfare.
Until it's a national holiday, and on the off chance I'm ever in town, I'll keep doing it.
Some of you fuckers act like we can all just do whatever we want when we want. Turns out most of us have to show up and produce at work or there's no paycheck.
If there is a way that a voter can be verified beyond a doubt with a mail in ballot, then OK. For instance, the ballot is validated by a real Notary, for instance. I think that is how an absentee ballot is done?
Then you have to depend on USPS, which does not inspire confidence.
My whole point is that the Commies are doing everything possible to install their puppet, Biden, so anything short of a guaranteed validated ballot is BS.
I like the way we did the first election in Iraq. People showed up in person, were validated (as well at that can be done) and their thumb dipped in purple ink so they could not vote twice.
Then you have to depend on USPS, which does not inspire confidence.
My whole point is that the Commies are doing everything possible to install their puppet, Biden, so anything short of a guaranteed validated ballot is BS.
I like the way we did the first election in Iraq. People showed up in person, were validated (as well at that can be done) and their thumb dipped in purple ink so they could not vote twice.
Vote by mail here in Oregon. We got our ballots. Our sons ballot came too. He is in Tennessee. Called him and Yep he already voted. I will drop off his unused ballot at the courthouse today along with ours. No way I will put my ballot in the mail.
The easiest way to void ballots in Oregon is for some unscrupulous person to write code for the signature program. Get a list of say all registered Republicans in the County. When ballots come in with Repubs names invalidate a bunch of them. Not all but just enough. When you vote at a polling place they check your ID an voters registration signature there. No mail, less chance for funny business.
The easiest way to void ballots in Oregon is for some unscrupulous person to write code for the signature program. Get a list of say all registered Republicans in the County. When ballots come in with Repubs names invalidate a bunch of them. Not all but just enough. When you vote at a polling place they check your ID an voters registration signature there. No mail, less chance for funny business.
Exactly!!!
