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A solution to my Pit Problem

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Minuteman
    • Apr 12, 2001
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    I have a solution because you guys are out of control with the political hatred crap

    You don;t realize not controlling your first will cost your second and I have saved a few of you from yourself a couple of times.

    So moving forward, new year coming up, new ideas, especially for my political dilemma

    I have a feeling we are going to need this voice out there, but unfortunately a lot of you don’t speak for a lot of us, you’re not smart enough to know threats and stupidity can get you in trouble today.

    So my solutions, I will create Political Posts, those topics will be open for X amount of time and you can post in them like the bearpit anything you want but we’ll limit the damage you all are doing by talking shit too much

    For controversy I think I am creating topic to play with,

    The Pit Presides

    The Pit Presides topics will focus your squirrel brains on specific things, let you rant and rave and then we can start over. I foresee some epic threads in length

    Think about it, I don’t want to crush you all, I want you to play and vent, but you have to do it right
     
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    And squirrels get crushed by 18 wheeler driving mods if they stray from these newly developed political lanes?
     
    Can you not make it where we can pick to see them or not? Don’t get me wrong I post in them and read them. But I would be happy to be able to block all the political bullshit on here and read just about gun related stuff again.
     
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    Jrb572 said:
    Can you not make it where we can pick to see them or not? Don’t get me wrong I post in them and read them. But I would be happy to be able to block all the political bullshit on here and read just about gun related stuff again.
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    That's easy. Avoid the pit. There's no gun content to speak of in there anyway...
     
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    I know that but I would like to have a filter to be able to select when I hit the new post button. So I can read everything else except what I have saved to select. Or is that possible now?
     
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    A simpler solution might be :

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    What if the pit was private like a speakeasy in the basement below Maggie's bar not open for public view.

    Have some requirement like post count or reaction score before your even able to see the door.

    Similar to the LEO or admin section.

    If the problem is public view why not just make it private?
     
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    hlee said:
    That's easy. Avoid the pit. There's no gun content to speak of in there anyway...
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    Yeah there is, theres always people asking if it's available in "MIL OR MOA

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Doc
     
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    outside looking in

    i wouldnt suggest enabling idiocy and thinking you can contain it
    containing is just another word for protection (which should be paramount in ones business)
    in the world of screen shots and emails, information lives on forever
    the last thing needed is ransomware or alike because someone was offended

    i do agree with certain threads having a lifetime before they are deleted forever

    i also think there should be a lock on threads that have are X months or years old
    equipment and techniques are advancing at a pace that a 4 year old post/thread is probably useless
     
    Let me start by saying that this is not a recommendation as I have know idea how TF to code anything- not to mention that this isn't my house. However, I've thought about the pit for a while. I would have access to the pit, maggies, and the PX all tied to the user post count. But, I'd go a step further. If the % of posts by a user in the pit + maggies + the PX were greater than 50% of that user's total posts, that user would be barred access to those parts of the site until the % fell below 50% + some non-trivial buffer amount. And, I would impose a minimum character limit on posts to limit the "Bump" in the "informational" parts of the site. Add in a bit of judicious modding outside of those areas and some draconian measures for "pollinating" the informational areas and I think the worst offenders would weed themselves out. That said, I've been a member here or a few years now and, if enacted, I believe that my "solution" would see me barred from the pit for a while.
     
    That's at least two so far that openly admit that they themselves are not only the problem but also lack the self-discipline to be part of a solution, and instead would prefer to rely upon a governing entity to do it for them.
    Welcome to the new world.
     
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    I've seen many people ( possibly sometimes even myself ) use bitter hyperbole in a way that an overzealous bureaucrat might be able to twist to interperate as a threat of violence.

    Sad times indeed. But none of us want to see the entire membership end up on some kind of watch list, if we are not all ready.

    It's so easy to feel like we are just sitting around a fire with friends discussing the problems of the world in private. That world is gone. It no longer exists, not even at the real fire pit in our own back yards with our real friends. So many of us carry this device that big tech used to monitor every word said in our hearing.
     
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    VA-Varminter said:
    That's at least two so far that openly admit that they themselves are not only the problem but also lack the self-discipline to be part of a solution, and instead would prefer to rely upon a governing entity to do it for them.
    Welcome to the new world.
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    Because I come to a gun website to learn about guns and not your political views? You think everything on this site is gospel in the political spectrum?
     
    VA-Varminter said:
    No, because you are incapable of using the tools already at your disposal and you readily confess that you open the things you say you don't want to see.
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    When did I say that? You are one of those people that read to much into post. I basically would like to be able to turn the political side off if I don’t feel like reading it.
     
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    Jrb572 said:
    When did I say that? You are one of those people that read to much into post. I basically would like to be able to turn the political side off if I don’t feel like reading it.
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    " Can you not make it where we can pick to see them or not? Don’t get me wrong I post in them and read them." :unsure:

    Most thread titles are decent at explaining at what's contained therein.
    Keep scrolling and ignore. There are also a number of tools at your disposal to ignore users and to subscribe or not to threads and sections.
    Dig around in your settings and see what's there. You might find something useful. Then again, perhaps not.
     
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    2aBaCa said:
    What if the pit was private like a speakeasy in the basement below Maggie's bar not open for public view.

    Have some requirement like post count or reaction score before your even able to see the door.

    Similar to the LEO or admin section.

    If the problem is public view why not just make it private?
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    There are a lot here with 100's or 1000's of posts that over step what we should post. Myself included. For a price example, look at Gunfighter, he was one of the oldest members and got a (permanent?) vacation for posting stupid, volatile stuff.
     
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    Here is a suggestion that worked miracles on another forum I am on

    Have a sub forum under the bear pit called politics
    Make people submit a request to gain access to that sub forum (the other place used a PM to a mod as the request)
    then
    Hire a second much much more fierce ban cat
    and ban people from the political sub forum with 1 warning
    if they then continue to be dumb in other parts of the site, ban them from the site altogether

    You will eventually know who and who not to allow to talk politics
    I also like the suggestion of not allowing new members into the politics forum, make em get 100 or 200 posts first.

    Only recommend as I have seen it work. Yes it is more work for you and the mod team.
     
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    I belong to a forum that requires you to login every visit - just so read any of it, let alone post. None of the bots can get in to catalog any of it for a search engine. Only registered users can see it.
     
    MadDuner said:
    I belong to a forum that requires you to login every visit - just so read any of it, let alone post. None of the bots can get in to catalog any of it for a search engine. Only registered users can see it.
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    That kills the stream to gains in membership and ad impressions. Not smart.
     
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    hlee said:
    Let me start by saying that this is not a recommendation as I have know idea how TF to code anything- not to mention that this isn't my house. However, I've thought about the pit for a while. I would have access to the pit, maggies, and the PX all tied to the user post count. But, I'd go a step further. If the % of posts by a user in the pit + maggies + the PX were greater than 50% of that user's total posts, that user would be barred access to those parts of the site until the % fell below 50% + some non-trivial buffer amount. And, I would impose a minimum character limit on posts to limit the "Bump" in the "informational" parts of the site. Add in a bit of judicious modding outside of those areas and some draconian measures for "pollinating" the informational areas and I think the worst offenders would weed themselves out. That said, I've been a member here or a few years now and, if enacted, I believe that my "solution" would see me barred from the pit for a while.
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    The reality is:
    (1) the Pit brings a lot of people to the site. You have the metrics, but most of the "trending" threads are from the Pit;
    (2) there is often a fine line between posts that are entertaining and those that cast us all in a bad light;
    (3) babysitting all the threads is unmanageable; and
    (4) the dumbasses are going to be dumbasses wherever they are and however they manage to post.

    The only solution is to ban the full-time dumbasses. There are only a handful of them. Everyone knows who they are. Although it will certainly reduce the entertainment value and some traffic, it will be less of a headache for the mods and HMFIC.
     
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    Since the Pit bans Religion why not Politics , the only problem is with 2A which is about guns which is back to Politics.
     
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    Gregor.Samsa said:
    be your own filter!
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    For the most part... I agree.

    I also agree with @Jrb572 Typically I stay 'out of the pit'... but the sheer volume of crap from there that surfaces in the 'New Posts' feed gets old, really quickly.

    It's a similar issue on other forums... I don't log in to see people's off-topic requests for prayers for their ailing relative, or their dog, or what the fuck ever. Here it's never-ending tin-foil hat rants and $hit talk. Having an 'off' button for that stuff would be really nice, without having to forego the convenience of using the 'New Posts' feed.

    Frank's mention of filters on the way gives me a little bit of hope.
     
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    I think all the trouble in the pit could all be avoided if you created that Midget Tossing sub-form I have been asking for
     
    Squirrel brains! :LOL: Reminds me of the German Shepherd I had. She would crack open the little squirrel head and eat the brain! Strangest thing I ever saw....carcass in the yard with a little hollowed out head!
     
    Maggot said:
    There are a lot here with 100's or 1000's of posts that over step what we should post. Myself included. For a price example, look at Gunfighter, he was one of the oldest members and got a (permanent?) vacation for posting stupid, volatile stuff.
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    I don't necessarily see the issue being Controversial opinions more than the its those opinions on display for all public to see and as part of SH public image which is part of gun cultures public image. I wholeheartedly agree we should portray a positive image, for our own interests.

    Controversial opinions are still valid and while most of us may keep it to our selves, I feel its a disservice to the bigger picture. We can call out the extremists and police our own without public seeing our dirty laundry. Controversial topics need a space to be challenged and discussed. Those discussion may be to harsh for snowflakes in general population. Doesn't mean they shouldn't happen.

    Solve for the public access not for censoring opinions.

    For me its a no Brainer, make the pit private and take it off the public stage.
     
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    With all the crap you and your mods endure @lowlight, I am all for this site becoming a ‘pay to play’ site.
    I realize wanting to keep it free is the way you want to keep it, and I and many others very much appreciate that, but a yearly fee to be a member would certainly route out the deplorables and those looking to take advantage.
    At the very least, all these different forums that you need to babysit should be pay to play, like sales, bear pit or this new forum your coming up with.
    I for one would be happy to pay for the info, access to merchandise, knowledge, reviews etc that this site provides.
    Just my 2c, which is usually only worth 1c 😬
     
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    2aBaCa said:
    I don't necessarily see the issue being Controversial opinions more than the its those opinions on display for all public to see and as part of SH public image which is part of gun cultures public image. I wholeheartedly agree we should portray a positive image, for our own interests.

    Controversial opinions are still valid and while most of us may keep it to our selves, I feel its a disservice to the bigger picture. We can call out the extremists and police our own without public seeing our dirty laundry. Controversial topics need a space to be challenged and discussed. Those discussion may be to harsh for snowflakes in general population. Doesn't mean they shouldn't happen.

    Solve for the public access not for censoring opinions.

    For me its a no Brainer, make the pit private and take it off the public stage.
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    There is a difference between 'discussion of controversial subjects' and posting stuff that is overtly fucked up and has no redeeming value.

    Frank could take it off the public stage, and may do that, but whats to keep one who is 'gathering evidence' from just playing along till they get in?

    I dont have the answer, its up to him.
     
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    BufordTJustice said:
    I only talk politics with me and thee..., and only then when we agree. I don't even mention politics around my dog, but that's because he's German.
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    I'm not trying to stir the pot and certainly don't want us to lose our priviledges to express our thoughts openly in a responsible way. All I'm saying is that we are able see a politically themed thread title and we have the ability to not enter the thread through personal choice. There are already so many sub-forums on the hide that already address any type of shooting related discussion.
     
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