So... 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.... ???

100 million people can make it unconstitutional to tax or restrict the use of any arms.

have alink to article ?

"The most dangerous creation of any society is a man who has nothing left to lose".

- James Baldwin.

Make me a felon with a strike of a pen? I'll be the best felon and outlaw I can be and aspire to be sung about in folk/country ballads to come...

If we become felons, does that mean the Demwits won't care about us any longer? I mean after all, they seem to be going through all of this to harass legally owned firearms, but not 1 bill to address criminals and their use of firearms.

Serious Question...Who would enforce something like this? I know plenty of folks in LE and in the Military and have had this discussion with them. They have all basically said there is no way on god's green earth they would arrest, fine, or otherwise lift a single finger to "punish" any former law abiding gun owner.

Basically he wants to put everything in the NFA. Says you can keep them as long as they are registered NFA and pay the 200 dollar stamp. If the idiot gets his way with the no online gun parts or ammo, it is not really going to matter anyway. Even if you keep the scary evil black rifle you can't shoot it, because eventually you will need parts. I would be curious to know what the economic impact of that law would be. There would be thousands of companies out of business over night with the stroke of a pen.

AYN RAND
Atlas Shrugged , Ch. III, "White Blackmail" ---

Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris.
"We want them broken. You'd better get it straight.

It's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against.
Then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures.

We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we
know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it.
There's no way to rule innocent men.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.

One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes
impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?
What's there in that for anyone?

But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor
enforced nor objectively interpreted, and you create a nation of law-breakers
and then you cash in on guilt.

Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you
understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

shields shtr said:

Serious Question...Who would enforce something like this? I know plenty of folks in LE and in the Military and have had this discussion with them. They have all basically said there is no way on god's green earth they would arrest, fine, or otherwise lift a single finger to "punish" any former law abiding gun owner.

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Not all, but plenty of people out there will have no problem seeking out gun owners. Look at the DC police herding Trump supporters into the mob so they can get assaulted. Miami police fining people for not wearing face underwear outside. NY police breaking up home gatherings violating "too many people" orders.

When it comes down to it, people want to continue their lifestyle. If it means abandoning the constitution for money, they are fine with that.

Think about how many Antifa members would jump at the chance to join a new dedicated squad that hunts down gun owners, using guns given to them by the government.

People in law enforcement who would refuse these orders are a blessing for those who live in their jurisdiction.

I'm going to assume this is a hypothetical scenario since Biden isn't going to be president.

George Washington and Patriots wouldn't have allowed this coup attempt to get this far. Traitors would be hanging and shot by now.

When Biden gets in office we’ll see what he and that cunt can get done.

I mean Obama had it for 8 years and threatened all the same shit. He didn’t get much done.

If y’all think the LEO/Mil won’t stack up at your front door to take your weapons your Sadly mistaken.Hurricane Katrina should have been a lesson learned in that incident.

your always going to have soldiers/Officers loyal to the orders and not common sense. If and when they soon it as WE are the enemy they will have no issue with following orders.

If I have to give the AR15 then I guess an 6" gun would work

There are many in mil/LE who understand they swore an oath to the constitution and would not take part in such a thing.

There are also a lot of retards and liberals (mainly in the officers and paper pushers) who would be on board, whether blindly or knowingly. Depending on the branch, I’d say 50/50 split at worst.

I guess, I'll have to die on my front porch, because, I have this small issue with commieism that I just can't shake. Mac

CSAR FE said:

There are many in mil/LE who understand they swore an oath to the constitution and would not take part in such a thing.

There are also a lot of retards and liberals (mainly in the officers and paper pushers) who would be on board, whether blindly or knowingly. Depending on the branch, I’d say 50/50 split at worst.

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The Mil/LE in a socialist government follow the orders of the people that pay them yes a few might not stay but money talks.

NOPE, just no. Tahoe said it was all just "talk" to get left wing votes! Biden is not coming for our guns. Rest easy gents.

shields shtr said:

Serious Question...Who would enforce something like this? I know plenty of folks in LE and in the Military and have had this discussion with them. They have all basically said there is no way on god's green earth they would arrest, fine, or otherwise lift a single finger to "punish" any former law abiding gun owner.

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Because no cops in CA, NY, CN, NJ enforce any of their stupid mag bans, AR bans, have to keep your guns locked in the trunk of your car with ammo stored separate BS rules right?

The king doth declare peasant.

10ring'r said:

I guess, I'll have to die on my front porch, because, I have this small issue with commieism that I just can't shake. Mac

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You need to get like minded neighbors on board. Interlocking fire is a good thing.

No. Sadly the die was cast a long time ago. All the apparatus is in place and your social credit will increase when you rat out your neighbors. Certainly not with a bang, but a whimper. I’ve said before that with my own eyes and ears I’ve heard so-called patriots argue that peace and stability are worth trading rights for. Pay attention. You’ll see it too.

shields shtr said:

Serious Question...Who would enforce something like this? I know plenty of folks in LE and in the Military and have had this discussion with them. They have all basically said there is no way on god's green earth they would arrest, fine, or otherwise lift a single finger to "punish" any former law abiding gun owner.

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Talk is cheap.

We will all turn in our guns 'cause we never do shit anyway. "I've got a job", I've got a family", "I've got a business", etc, etc.

And anyone who does step up will immediately be deemed a terrorist in the media and probably here because we won't agree with exactly what they're doing or their vision is not exactly like ours.

TxWelder35 said:

Because no cops in CA, NY, CN, NJ

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Crap, I should have clarified. I meant LE in the United States. Last I heard those places you mentioned weren't part of them any more.

Point taken however. I guess I am fortunate to live in a place where we just had a gigantic red wave and ousted the Governor, and took over the legislature. Most of the folks I know in LE and Mil have the same values I do, but I suppose that is probably not the case everywhere.

TxWelder35 said:

Because no cops in CA, NY, CN, NJ enforce any of their stupid mag bans, AR bans, have to keep your guns locked in the trunk of your car with ammo stored separate BS rules right?

The king doth declare peasant.

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In 2014 I was pulled over on 71 west of Austin when I didn't have time to move to the inside lane when driving past a DPS Trooper who had someone pulled over.

Some short, sawed off chode ginger in a bad fitting DPS uniform approached the window and I informed him I had a handgun in the truck. He snapped "Is it loaded?" I said affirmative. He said "It's supposed to be unloaded and the ammunition stored separate from the gun."

I sighed and rubbed my eyes with my hands and then said 'This is Texas. Go ask that Trooper standing back at his car about that.' He went back and talked to the older black trooper and then came back and handed me my DL and said have a nice day.

Them: Sir, we are here to confiscate all those high capacity mags.

Me: Stand over there, I have to unload them before I give them to you.

shields shtr said:

Serious Question...Who would enforce something like this? I know plenty of folks in LE and in the Military and have had this discussion with them. They have all basically said there is no way on god's green earth they would arrest, fine, or otherwise lift a single finger to "punish" any former law abiding gun owner.

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Same people that enforce all the other unconstitutional laws

Ccw without permit
Sbr without permit
Machine gun without permit
The various mag and “assault weapon” bans
Red flags
Should I go on?
Katrina confiscations?

Etc
Etc
Etc


I could make various true disparaging remarks about those carrying out those laws but Farva would ban me then. Suffice to say they would will and do carry out unconstituional gun laws.

Yes some will not but most will and the ones that don’t will be quickly replaced.

As WE used to say.. elections have consequences, as we are about to find out.

Jefe's Dope said:

Talk is cheap.

We will all turn in our guns 'cause we never do shit anyway. "I've got a job", I've got a family", "I've got a business", etc, etc.

And anyone who does step up will immediately be deemed a terrorist in the media and probably here because we won't agree with exactly what they're doing or their vision is not exactly like ours.

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truth...

KZP said:

Think about how many Antifa members would jump at the chance to join a new dedicated squad that hunts down gun owners, using guns given to them by the government.

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It's all fun and games till your buddy takes one in the chest and as you raise your weapon skyward in surrender... your bicep evaporates in pink mist.

I think there are plenty of sociopath bully personalities in society that would get off on the abuses they could manage as a confiscation/death squad.

I'm not sure how many would have the will or ability to fight when they encounter serious and effective resistance.

Sorta separates the boys from the men. Real life ain't call of duty. I played plenty of those games in high school and college.

Didn't prepare me for the level of violence I'd encounter or have to delve out, when appropriate, in an LE career one bit. There's no substitute for experience.

Dunning Kruger Effect

Jefe's Dope said:

Talk is cheap.

We will all turn in our guns 'cause we never do shit anyway. "I've got a job", I've got a family", "I've got a business", etc, etc.

And anyone who does step up will immediately be deemed a terrorist in the media and probably here because we won't agree with exactly what they're doing or their vision is not exactly like ours.

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Speak for yourself, subject. Spreading despair and hopelessness is horseshit.

I've said it again. Unlike illegals and domestic terrorists; we're our own worst enemies where we go out of our way to conform to whatever bullshit they put on us. It's the only reason they do it.

Assuming they pass shit like this, all I have to say is let them try and enforce it. The question is, do we cower and bitch on the internet or do we make it too painful? Imagine those that come and enforce it, everyday, for their half assed salary and pension, have to look at their wife and kid and wonder if today is the last time. After a while, noone will enforce it. Make it painful.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956


You need to look no further than places in the US and Europe where the police will simply just not go into. It has nothing to do with the paint on the houses not being nice, or that the neighborhoods aren't the cleanest. It has everything to do with the people there not giving a shit about what you want, or your 'authority' and willing to come together against you.

I don't believe they will need law enforcement to accomplish their goal. They will use economic tools to make you submit. They will use their laws to make it impossible for you to hold out very long. Go outside your house (to go to work or the grocery store) and they arrest you at that point.

Imagine, all of us being Red Flagged by friends and neighbors. All of us have friends, family or neighbors that know you have firearms. Remember the police can Red Flag you if they get information from someone who has direct knowledge.

The government know that they can't stack up at your doorstep, because they won't have to.

BullGear said:

I don't believe they will need law enforcement to accomplish their goal. They will use economic tools to make you submit. They will use their laws to make it impossible for you to hold out very long. Go outside your house (to go to work or the grocery store) and they arrest you at that point.

Imagine, all of us being Red Flagged by friends and neighbors. All of us have friends, family or neighbors that know you have firearms. Remember the police can Red Flag you if they get information from someone who has direct knowledge.

The government know that they can't stack up at your doorstep, because they won't have to.

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That wont hold up long until word gets out that that is their plan and what they're doing.

Sure, theres goiing to be some initial people caught by surprise and made an example out of.

But when it becomes SOP to get a warrant for your house based on 'they probably have a rifle' or no warrant at all, and they start arresting random people at the store or while at work, the amount of people now scared ---> turns into rage, will grow.

It will also not take long for it to evolve into the thinking of, you want to come to peoples houses? Well, we can come to yours.

I live in an area of 75kish people. I think we have like....40 police, total?

BullGear said:

I don't believe they will need law enforcement to accomplish their goal. They will use economic tools to make you submit. They will use their laws to make it impossible for you to hold out very long. Go outside your house (to go to work or the grocery store) and they arrest you at that point.

Imagine, all of us being Red Flagged by friends and neighbors. All of us have friends, family or neighbors that know you have firearms. Remember the police can Red Flag you if they get information from someone who has direct knowledge.

The government know that they can't stack up at your doorstep, because they won't have to.

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There is always a way. You always have a choice. You may not like the options, but never give up. The film about the Katyn massacre at the hands of the Soviets illustrates this point; don’t ever surrender, especially to Communists.

And before someone gets butthurt about violence against other people, LEOS, or whatever; I'm not advocating any of that and hope it never happens.

But just like sending kids off to wars they don't have any benefit in fighting for reasons that they don't care about, arresting/raiding US citizens over literally a God given right, makes you nothing more than some meth head trying to break into my house at 3am. And I'll be honest, I have more respect for Haji trying to fight/kill/get me out of his home soil right before putting a round through his eye, way more than people going around 'just doing their job'.

The simple fix here is to either not be that meth head, and/or shit like this needs to serve as a warning and go up the chain so everyone knows to not even try it because there will be heavy consequences. Whatever you pick, just remember, everyone has been warned for a long time now; this isn't some shit I just thought up today or whatever. I'm also willing to bet there are people already WAYYYYYY more ready to do this than any of us here are right now.

In addition to that, you have to ask yourself, if something like this begins in the anti police atmopshere we find ourselves in in alot of areas in the US: do you honestly think thats going to get A. better or B. worse on a whole different level?

Best thing to happen would be all this anti gun bullshit just goes away and we all continue living life.

The Gulag Archipelago should be required reading.

I think the stupid leftist politicians greatly underestimate our resolve and over estimate their ability to enforce an unconstitutional set of laws.

If Democrat States Could Ignore Trump, Republican States Can Ignore Biden

BullGear said:

long. Go outside your house (to go to work or the grocery store) and they arrest you at that point.

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Start doing that wide spread to gun owners. Would be very ugly when they live here and their families are here.

It’s the last thing anyone should want.

MadDuner said:

I think the stupid leftist politicians greatly underestimate our resolve and over estimate their ability to enforce an unconstitutional set of laws.

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This will really come down to, are enough people going to do gangster shit, or are they all going to bitch about it on Ar15.com?

TheGerman said:

And before someone gets butthurt about violence against other people, LEOS, or whatever; I'm not advocating any of that and hope it never happens.

But just like sending kids off to wars they don't have any benefit in fighting for reasons that they don't care about, arresting/raiding US citizens over literally a God given right, makes you nothing more than some meth head trying to break into my house at 3am.

The simple fix here is to either not be that meth head, and/or shit like this needs to serve as a warning and go up the chain so everyone knows to not even try it because there will be heavy consequences. Whatever you pick, just remember, everyone has been warned for a long time now.

In addition to that, you have to ask yourself, if something like this begins in the anti police atmopshere we find ourselves in in alot of areas in the US: do you honestly think thats going to get A. better or B. worse on a whole different level?

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Generally, the Conservative gun owners ARE the people who support law enforcement through all this anti-LEO crap that’s been going on. I don’t think those people in law enforcement are going to go along with the idea of turning their support base into their enemies.

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This will really come down to, are enough people going to do gangster shit, or are they all going to bitch about it on Ar15.com?

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How many will it take?

MadDuner said:

How many will it take?

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Enough to where they're too scared to do it anymore and/or sit in their house at night scared shitless. But also enough to where the argument you'll see from the 'news' about how its only a small group of racist white militia people and how 79% of the population agrees with these restrictions, is total obvious bullshit.

shields shtr said:

Serious Question...Who would enforce something like this? I know plenty of folks in LE and in the Military and have had this discussion with them. They have all basically said there is no way on god's green earth they would arrest, fine, or otherwise lift a single finger to "punish" any former law abiding gun owner.

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same folks that “are just doing their job” now with the covid.

myronman3 said:

same folks that “are just doing their job” now with the covid.

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That dental plan isn't going to pay for itself.

equilibrium said:

What Would George Washington Do?

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Slit your throat, in your sleep, on Christmas Eve.

i’ve mentally prepared myself that my future as i had planned it is in all likelyhood, gone. it may mean my job, retirement, and everything else is gone. it’s not something i envision as being fun. but i’ve been cold, starving, broke and wet before. i’ve talked to my kids, and told them where i stand. i’ve told them i loved them, and said everything i didnt want to be unsaid. i’ve also advised them about cyber assassinatinon....and to never doubt what they knew of me-as in this day and age, making anyone look like a monster would be brutally simple. i told them to believe in the man they know, and not anything anyone might say about me.

i’d like to live my life being a good christian, following God’s will and living in peace. but i will NOT be a slave to anyone other than the Lord. and if that requires the loss of my job, retirement, life? i’ve already watched a giant portion of my fellow americans turn into fucking sheep over a glorified cold.

dont tread on me. that’s where i am at. and i mean it.

armorpl8chikn said:

Slit your throat, in your sleep, on Christmas Eve.

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If Washington was here to fight this war.

BullGear said:

If Washington was here to fight this war.

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I think we're missing 2 stars.

I swear I read somewhere that ol George was the only 6 star we ever had.

TheGerman said:

I think we're missing 2 stars.

I swear I read somewhere that ol George was the only 6 star we ever had.

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https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-90/pdf/STATUTE-90-Pg2078.pdf

“Whereas it is considered fitting and proper that no officer of the United States Army should outrank Lieutenant General George Washington on the Army list: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That . . . The President is authorized and requested to appoint George Washington posthumously to the grade of General of the Armies of the United States, such appointment to take effect on July 4, 1976.”

‘....Technically, the law decreeing that no military official could outrank Washington didn’t specifically grant a six-star general designation. But some argue Washington’s ascension to such a rank means exactly that, and newspapers even reported it as such back in 1976.’