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And what the fugg do they plan on doing to those who turn down the vaccine?
Initially you can. But then your bank, grocery store, your work, social security check, unemployment, insurance will all require it
How far away can 'They' detect the vaccine biomarker?
Active or passive RFID?
Does keeping the vaccine really cold inhibit the tracking reaction?
Like a battery inactive before being powered by the 'Host'?
Does the body have the necessary chemicals to make a 'battery' happen?
What are the 'Limits' of what can be accomplish with chemicals/technology injected into the body?
Mark of the Beast?
Is there a radiation hazard for large, high density quantities of the vaccine stored in freezers or is lead shielding used to protect the military handlers?
Are bulk supplies of the vaccine being protected?
Protected better than various servers?
If people are 'Forced' to get the vaccine many will refuse but if you have to 'Qualify' will those same ones complain about not being allowed to be vaccinated?
Citizen in good standing Vs Enemy of the State?
Just asking for a friend.
Active or passive RFID?
Does keeping the vaccine really cold inhibit the tracking reaction?
Like a battery inactive before being powered by the 'Host'?
Does the body have the necessary chemicals to make a 'battery' happen?
What are the 'Limits' of what can be accomplish with chemicals/technology injected into the body?
Mark of the Beast?
Is there a radiation hazard for large, high density quantities of the vaccine stored in freezers or is lead shielding used to protect the military handlers?
Are bulk supplies of the vaccine being protected?
Protected better than various servers?
If people are 'Forced' to get the vaccine many will refuse but if you have to 'Qualify' will those same ones complain about not being allowed to be vaccinated?
Citizen in good standing Vs Enemy of the State?
Just asking for a friend.
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i fully respect your concerns on this. but as has been said....the other option is allowing the coupe to be completed. and if that’s allowed, it’s game over and will be far uglier than ferreting out the rats with marshal law.
i’ve said many time before, if i were the man, i’d declare it, ferret out the rats. when over, i’d turn it back ot the people, resign, and turn myself in for prosecution.
and if you’ve ever been in court, you know that there are different layers of justice depending on who you are. so i ask you.....what are we really doing, anyway? this system is so infiltrated with corruption that the fear of “we the people” needs to be reinstalled.
Martial law? ha ha These fuckers can’t keep a bunch of basement dwellers from taking over roads, bridges and parts of cities, but yeah they can make the whole country stay home.....ha ha That’s funny!
i think you and i have different definitions of how it would go down. and have you considered that they already have pretty much shut the country down?
i’d let day to day life go on as usual. but the marshal law would be used to clean the house of the corrupt bastards that have perverted, bended, and abused the laws to their favor. motherfuckers that corrupted this election need to hang.
guys like Flynn, and carter page, who’ve been the target of these bastards, would be put in the forefront. it would be ugly, messy, and brutal. liberty is dead if we dont get it unfucked. as it stands now, AT THIS MOMENT.....there is only the illusion of liberty.
Once the prez declared martial law to be in effect, then every state and local government would follow. Some of those states have rather serious police departments that would be, uh, somewhat more aggressive than the Portland City Police.
Expect the Bill of Rights to be suspended. Ya think the bump stock ban, civil forfeiture laws, and Twitter shadow bans are flagrant violations of our rights? Just wait. Yeah, maybe SCOTUS will eventually declare these provisions to be unconstitutional. That'll be useful in getting your hardware back in 2-3 years.
Writ of habeas corpus would be suspended.
International borders would get slammed close. Interstate travel could be shut down. Certainly airplanes would be grounded; it might go further with closure of state borders. Maybe the whole interstate highway system gets closed; anyone found traveling upon it is subject to immediate arrest and detainment (see above).
The internet could go down in part or whole. It used to be an incredibly robust system with near-infinite redundancy. Now we're dependant upon a handful of nodes, and flipping a "kill switch" is well within the capabilities of our government. Or maybe a foreign adversary would help us out with this task.
With commerce crippled by the physical limitations on travel and transportation, and unintended consequences of any restrictions on electronic communication (you know damn well that there is a meat-packing plant or refinery that is somehow dependant upon Facebook to operate), good luck getting food, fuel, and other necessary items. Think the toilet paper shortage was bad? Now imagine that for everything.
With the police and military otherwise occupied, criminals and foreign adversaries will find openings to exploit. Just watch Iran invade Saudi Arabia, or the Mexican cartels storm the border, or something else that would be otherwise improbable.
We could keep going, but I don't have time to write a complete novel and plenty of other dystopian writers have already covered this ground in detail.
But, yeah, otherwise, it'll be just like the last eight months of lockdown
*If* indeed there has been a coup, and it can be proven (beyond vague allegations by lawyers on Twitter), and all other legal options have be exhausted, then sure, have at it.
But then also understand that once that genie is uncorked, it doesn't go back in the bottle easily, and I don't think people are thinking through all of the possibilities before getting horny about the federal government going all biblical. That's an awfully big sledgehammer to be swinging around, and all that energy ain't going to land on just a small nail.
You can always sit back and let the new puppet administration take office and hope their handlers are fair to we the people.
Lincoln did flip that switch on. And then it got switched off.
While you're correct, who issued the orders does not diminish the infringement.
You seem like a pretty intelligent man. Why in the fuck are you so willingly blind?
Fuck the barber shop. This is far beyond that.
MARTIAL
Repeat after me.……………...MARTIAL LAW
Mr. Marshall and Mr. Marshal have nothing to do with it.
Once the prez declared martial law to be in effect, then every state and local government would follow. Some of those states have rather serious police departments that would be, uh, somewhat more aggressive than the Portland City Police.
Expect the Bill of Rights to be suspended. Ya think the bump stock ban, civil forfeiture laws, and Twitter shadow bans are flagrant violations of our rights? Just wait. Yeah, maybe SCOTUS will eventually declare these provisions to be unconstitutional. That'll be useful in getting your hardware back in 2-3 years.
Writ of habeas corpus would be suspended.
International borders would get slammed close. Interstate travel could be shut down. Certainly airplanes would be grounded; it might go further with closure of state borders. Maybe the whole interstate highway system gets closed; anyone found traveling upon it is subject to immediate arrest and detainment (see above).
The internet could go down in part or whole. It used to be an incredibly robust system with near-infinite redundancy. Now we're dependant upon a handful of nodes, and flipping a "kill switch" is well within the capabilities of our government. Or maybe a foreign adversary would help us out with this task.
With commerce crippled by the physical limitations on travel and transportation, and unintended consequences of any restrictions on electronic communication (you know damn well that there is a meat-packing plant or refinery that is somehow dependant upon Facebook to operate), good luck getting food, fuel, and other necessary items. Think the toilet paper shortage was bad? Now imagine that for everything.
With the police and military otherwise occupied, criminals and foreign adversaries will find openings to exploit. Just watch Iran invade Saudi Arabia, or the Mexican cartels storm the border, or something else that would be otherwise improbable.
We could keep going, but I don't have time to write a complete novel and plenty of other dystopian writers have already covered this ground in detail.
But, yeah, otherwise, it'll be just like the last eight months of lockdown
So you think that martial law is a huge on/off switch. That there is no scope or control.
OK
Your experience with it is?????????
Same as all of ours. So tell me where did you get the crystal ball to see how it will go down?
Lincoln did that in a much different time when people actually got tried for treason and if convicted they would be hanging from a tree branch by sundown. Nowadays when they commit treason nothing happens they get to write book deals, get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for 15 minute speeches, set up slush fund foundations, live the life of royalty. As close as they ever get to hanging from a tree branch is swinging from their fucking hammocks on their plantations they bought with the public piggy bank.
It's like doing a DFMEA. You look at all the possibilities, the severity of those possibilities, the likelihood they come true, and the potential control measures. I don't like what I see when I mentally create that list. Others feel differently after performing that same task, and that's fine; I can respectfully disagree with those people and hopefully have an intelligent discussion with hopes to achieve enlightenment.
It's when people call for dropping this hammer without thinking through all the potential consequences that I start to get really queasy. The federal government has a pretty long track record of that sort of crap (every war-on-X; any post-WWII foreign excursion, the past eight months of pandemic mis-management, etc.), and I don't much care to see that sort of mistake repeated at this scale with the potential level of force that can be applied with the use of federal agencies (including .mil) on domestic soil.
The entire election system is fucked, totally and completely. The theory that Martial Law will ferret out a few bad apples and then we start a new nation is beyond dumb. The mail in voting, same day voter registration and lack of will to purge voter rolls are common place in all 50 states, including any/all that are 100% GOP in charge. That's right, sports fans....all of this fuckery is enabled by laws on the books in all states. The GA senate runoff elections are already fucked, swear in the Dems and stop wasting time. The exact same system that was in place Nov 7 is going to be used in the runoff. Only unknown is how many votes will be needed to be found to put the Dems over the top.
The Only thing to set this right is putting fear of an armed and pissed off citizenry in the hearts of ALL public servants, a stark reminder that they work FOR us. Since we (as a society) seem to lack the will to assert our will on those that are supposed to serve us, then buy more ammo and food stuff to prepare for years of socialist policies. This election has shown that the GOP will never win at the national level again until the entire system is reworked - NO mail in voting, NO same-day voter registration, required purging of voter registration rolls every 2-4 years, and requiring proof of identity to cast a vote.
The Only thing to set this right is putting fear of an armed and pissed off citizenry in the hearts of ALL public servants, a stark reminder that they work FOR us. Since we (as a society) seem to lack the will to assert our will on those that are supposed to serve us, then buy more ammo and food stuff to prepare for years of socialist policies. This election has shown that the GOP will never win at the national level again until the entire system is reworked - NO mail in voting, NO same-day voter registration, required purging of voter registration rolls every 2-4 years, and requiring proof of identity to cast a vote.
Not really. Many of the actions taken by both sides could be considered treason. More so the yankees trying to make the fed preside over the rights of each state. Unfortunately sometimes hard things need to be done for good. The removal of slavery as blight on this land was important.
So rather than any sort of introspection, the only way the GOP can win is by making voting more cumbersome? We've been doing mail in voting in AZ since '97 and it's a good system. One of the few things the state does well.
"To achieve enlightenment." LOL. Thats what you call getting someone to agree with your opinion about "what if." Seems like a pretty pompous way describe your interactions with us under dwellers that are intellectually below you. Seems like such smart guy would see the bill of rights has already been suspended and a lot more is happening than the closure of barber shops.
No the way to make it better is to make it more fraud proof. One of the best ways to make it more fraud proof is to not have mail in voting. Vote in person with I.D. Cumbersome. LOL. You could fill out the same ballot.
Compared to what I have to do now, yea, cumbersome. I get a ballot and information book in the mail, vote, and can either mail that in or drop it off at the county building down the street. Easy. It's a shame more states don't have this setup.
Not having any mail in voting is definitely a way to make it more difficult for certain demographics to vote, unless of course you'd like to make national elections a federal holiday. Not sure how helpful it'd be for reducing the fraud ya'll are seeing. Having electronic voting machines be open source and capable of being audited through physical records would probably be a better step towards increasing confidence in elections.
Not having any mail in voting is definitely a way to make it more difficult for certain demographics to vote, unless of course you'd like to make national elections a federal holiday. Not sure how helpful it'd be for reducing the fraud ya'll are seeing. Having electronic voting machines be open source and capable of being audited through physical records would probably be a better step towards increasing confidence in elections.
I'm quite comfortable with winning or losing an argument - the former means I maybe had my shit together for a moment, and the latter means that I had an opportunity to learn something from someone with a better perspective. Or as stated better by Marcus Aurelius:
"If anyone can refute me — show me I’m making a mistake or looking at things from the wrong perspective — I’ll gladly change. It’s the truth I’m after, and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance."
It's not about subjugating myself to someone else or asking them to do the same before me. If someone wants to feel inferior, that's on them.
^ hang evers right next to the rest of the communist traitors. there are enough of these treasonous scum that we could set a new public record for the most number of people publicly executed at once.
Hope you folks have a few good stands of hardy timber available. Takes a bunch of hardwood to make a proper gallows that is suitable for an audience larger than Biden’s rallies. North Carolina has cut down most of the good stuff already. It probably got shipped to China. I volunteer to help nail all that need put up
All we need are axe handles.
i am guilty as shit on this one. thanks for setting us straight.
Hope you folks have a few good stands of hardy timber available. Takes a bunch of hardwood to make a proper gallows that is suitable for an audience larger than Biden’s rallies. North Carolina has cut down most of the good stuff already. It probably got shipped to China. I volunteer to help nail all that need put up
trees, balconeys, street lights, bridges, tall buildings.....no need to lay waste to the forest in order to carry out the proper sentances.
It took this guy becoming a right wing strongman to defeat communism in Spain
It took this guy becoming a right wing strongman to defeat communism in Chile
This guy will have to become a right wing strongman to defeat communism here
Que viva el generalisimo Trump!
It took this guy becoming a right wing strongman to defeat communism in Chile
This guy will have to become a right wing strongman to defeat communism here
Que viva el generalisimo Trump!
But I can reuse rope. That small primer is gone forever.
No, you don't know anything. You have an opinion.
If you and the nervous Nancy's out there see a lawful, judicial, method to prevent the current communist coup, you better speak up now.
This is only going to go from now to fucking dark terrible unless something big happens.
The communists played their cards. And they are winning. Mostly because they aren't a lot of nervous Nancy's. They act.
Either we act now, most likely preventing the dark future coming. Or sit and wait, while watching vthem burn this country out for good.
Either way bad shit is coming, it's really a matter of on whose terms.
I'm glad my neighbors aren't nervous Nancy's.
Problem statement: we live under the thumb of an increasingly oppressive federal government because of a democratically-elected legislative body that yields to supreme executive power in the form of unconstitutional adminstrative law.
Solution: suspend the Constitution altogether and put the nation under control of the president and military.
The last time we did this dance, we killed ~3% of the population, increased the power of the federal government, didn't really fix the problem it was supposedly addressing (and in fact probably made it worse), and left political and emotional scars that still haven't healed 160 years later.
And I'm a "nervous Nancy" for not wanting to do that again
Solution: suspend the Constitution altogether and put the nation under control of the president and military.
The last time we did this dance, we killed ~3% of the population, increased the power of the federal government, didn't really fix the problem it was supposedly addressing (and in fact probably made it worse), and left political and emotional scars that still haven't healed 160 years later.
And I'm a "nervous Nancy" for not wanting to do that again
Last time I used language like yours, I was banned.
Nobody said that it HAS to be made out of wood. Structural steel works just as well, if not better/bigger/faster/stronger/more-gooder!Hope you folks have a few good stands of hardy timber available. Takes a bunch of hardwood to make a proper gallows that is suitable for an audience larger than Biden’s rallies. North Carolina has cut down most of the good stuff already. It probably got shipped to China. I volunteer to help nail all that need put up
And, aside from the 'slow' process of gallows... think more along the lines of "industrial-grade weed-whacker".
Along the lines of a 250 HP electric motor, and instead of the thin 0.085" plastic line, use something more robust like 10' of 1" aircraft cable.
Dual conveyor-belt infeed mounted face-to-face in an inclined "V" like slaughterhouses... and the swamp could get actually cleaned out in a week or two. Running 24hrs a day, of course.
On second though, it might take 5 or 6, but it'd still be an improvement.
Harbor Freight may have portable gallows. The irony would be, they'd be made in China.
It simply can't be done. There is no where near enough man power to institute martial law. We have to many people and the USA is far to vast with to much different terrain to actually do it. Can they shut down some major hubs and cities sure, but I don't think most people realize how close to a shit show this country is. People talk big mess about civil wars and rights and whatnot but i don't believe most would know what to do it shit got real.
i can’t speak to any of that.
what i have witnessed with evers is that he is more than happy to try to exceed his lawful powers. many times. and he just keeps trying. and i’ll be willing to bet anyone a brand-spanking-new nickel, that when the election fraud bullshit is all said and done, that evers is proven to have had a hand in the fraud.
yall talk like it’d be a total lockdown. as others have pointed out, aint no way.
however....in order to route out the corrupt sumbishes, to throughly address the extent of the level of corruption in the government, martial law may be the only way it gets done. they are so entrenched in various levels of every institution, i cant fathom how else it could be done with any effectiveness.
does that mean that no one goes to work? no. does that mean everything is shut down and locked down? ridiculous.
but it does mean that some shortcuts are going to have to be made to preserve AMerica. risky? yup. and like i said, if i were the Man, i’d do what i needed to do, then i’d resign, and turn myself in for prosecution.
however....in order to route out the corrupt sumbishes, to throughly address the extent of the level of corruption in the government, martial law may be the only way it gets done. they are so entrenched in various levels of every institution, i cant fathom how else it could be done with any effectiveness.
does that mean that no one goes to work? no. does that mean everything is shut down and locked down? ridiculous.
but it does mean that some shortcuts are going to have to be made to preserve AMerica. risky? yup. and like i said, if i were the Man, i’d do what i needed to do, then i’d resign, and turn myself in for prosecution.
