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what chambering for long life on proof cf barrel

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i ve gotten my self in a pickle. i already have rifles in 27-35 lb range that shoot great, but i dont want to lug yhat wueghrt around anymore.

so i already have Mg stock, with carbon fiber stock. action will be Ti.

do that question is what magnum caliber will last the longest in a proof cf barrel?

Thinking 300 PRC (a lot more choices), 28 nosler, or redo my 65 WSM
 
6.5 SAUM and H1000 is a proven performer. I use H1000 and super cruise in almost everything I have built these days. Same principle works in the Comp Match, and would probably work fine in a Sherman or straight SAUM.
 
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6.5 SAUM and H1000 is a proven performer. I use H1000 and super cruise in almost everything I have built these days. Same principle works in the Comp Match, and would probably work fine in a Sherman or straight SAUM.
how many shots down your cf barrel do you have?
im also looking for more magnum than a RSAUM.
 
I have no carbon fiber barrels. I can say for sure that 1k 6.5 SAUM rounds have eroded my throat very little <.020”.

I have a Proof Savage Prefit in 6.5 PRC that I killed in approximately 1100 rounds with flyers starting to appear around 900 rounds. My barrel started throwing off flyers and wouldn’t hold below 1 MOA then completely went off the rails the week before hunting season. I pulled that barrel, put the new one on and my previous 1 MOA load is now sub 0.25 MOA.
 
Look at the Sherman Short mags.

Case is efficient and the shoulder angle keeps the flame out of the throat more with good neck length. All helps increase barrel life.

I run the 7ss with 180 vld at 3050 with 60.5 grains of rl26. Uses 6 grains less than the 7 rem mag for better speed. I can't think of a better balance between bullet weight, velocity, BC, and barrel life. Can't tell you barrel life, but it should match or exceed 7 saum.

I would look at the 300 wsm as well if you wanted to shoot something bigger. I am a fan of the short mags.
 
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Look at the Sherman Short mags.

Case is efficient and the shoulder angle keeps the flame out of the throat more with good neck length. All helps increase barrel life.

I run the 7ss with 180 vld at 3050 with 60.5 grains of rl26. Uses 6 grains less than the 7 rem mag for better speed. I can't think of a better balance between bullet weight, velocity, BC, and barrel life. Can't tell you barrel life, but it should match or exceed 7 saum.

I would look at the 300 wsm as well if you wanted to shoot something bigger. I am a fan of the short mags.
i never heard someone talking about the sherman without claiming it exceeds all calibers.
 
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Look at the Sherman Short mags.

Case is efficient and the shoulder angle keeps the flame out of the throat more with good neck length. All helps increase barrel life.

I run the 7ss with 180 vld at 3050 with 60.5 grains of rl26. Uses 6 grains less than the 7 rem mag for better speed. I can't think of a better balance between bullet weight, velocity, BC, and barrel life. Can't tell you barrel life, but it should match or exceed 7 saum.

I would look at the 300 wsm as well if you wanted to shoot something bigger. I am a fan of the short mags.
You must have found your way over here from LRH.
 
Not sure why you said 28 nosler and good barrel life in the same sentence. I'd guess 300 wsm
 
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i ve gotten my self in a pickle. i already have rifles in 27-35 lb range that shoot great, but i dont want to lug yhat wueghrt around anymore.

so i already have Mg stock, with carbon fiber stock. action will be Ti.

do that question is what magnum caliber will last the longest in a proof cf barrel?

Thinking 300 PRC (a lot more choices), 28 nosler, or redo my 65 WSM

I had a 6.5 SAUM, went toast at 1200 rounds. Not a fan, lots of carbon ring issues to contend with (sooty slow powder thru a small hole). My first 300 PRC barrel loosened up at about 1200 rounds. Was still sub-MOA but wasn't tight like I wanted it. I've heard of 28 Noslers opening up as early as 800 rounds but don't have first-hand experience. Makes sense it'd be worse than .300 PRC (smaller bore, similar case).

Granted, these are all for precision/LR work. If I just wanted them to smoke a deer/elk out to 300-400yd they probably could have gone much longer. If you want something with a little steam that will last a long time, .30-06, .284, or dare I say... 6.5 Creedmoor.
 
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Case is efficient and the shoulder angle keeps the flame out of the throat more with good neck length. All helps increase barrel life.

Caveat: I've never slo-motion filmed a clear plexiglass barrel...

But... Peak chamber pressure (heat) is usually reached with the bullet about 2 inches forward of the case mouth, and in most cases pressure drops to below 45ksi ~6-10" down the bore. The pressure/gas that is behind the bullet is more or less equal in the pressure vessel (bore area) behind the bullet. Bore scope a high pressure rifle barrel that has 1000+ rounds on it and you'll see that bore condition at about the 10" mark starts looking almost brand new, despite the first 6-8" being a fire-cracked wreck. Also bore scope low pressure barrels (9mm, 45acp, for example) that have tens of thousands of rounds on them and observe the relative lack of damage. Unless someone can provide hard data to the contrary, I'm going to sincerely doubt that shoulder angle or neck length has much of any bearing on throat life, and that loading to over 50, 60, 65ksi with 40-150gr of powder has a LOT to do with it.

YMMV. Years back I bit on the "2500 rounds no problem" bait on the 6.5 SAUM and dumb asses touting "3000 rounds & 3400fps" with the 6mm Comp match [effectively a .243 AI] with its "cool burning slow powders" etc. etc... My personal results fell exactly in line with what common sense should have told me from the get-go.
 
I didn't no magnum and long barrel life went hand and hand. Someone name one that goes 2500 rounds plus
 
What kind of magnum are you thinking? And what do you consider good barrel life? What's the rifle going to be used for? Most things that end in magnum and are good for LR work are toast in 1500 rounds or less. Without more parameters its tough to give advice.
 
I didn't no magnum and long barrel life went hand and hand. Someone name one that goes 2500 rounds plus
22 magnum.

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Thanks @THEIS for the original call out.
 
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Peak chamber pressure (heat) is usually reached with the bullet about 2 inches forward of the case mouth,
im working with the quickload software which is pretty accurate for me, shows max peak at 5 inches for 6.5 and small bore.

Years back I bit on the "2500 rounds no problem" bait on the 6.5 SAUM and dumb asses touting "3000 rounds & 3400fps" with the 6mm Comp match [effectively a .243 AI] with its "cool burning slow powders" etc. etc...

i reviewed the claims and built my 65 wsm anyway. these guys are using h1000 which my software tells me gets to 50-55k max. This is the exact opposite of the RUMs that max pressure and still throw more powder down the pipe.

I'm planning on near max pressure but not wildly throwing powder down the pipe.
 
Ive decided on 300 prc. focusing on rl26 for light bullets, and rl33/vv570 for heavy pills. Of course i thought that 300 prc would be available longer during a rush...i was wrong.
 
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You must have found your way over here from LRH.

What's LRH?

Caveat: I've never slo-motion filmed a clear plexiglass barrel...

But... Peak chamber pressure (heat) is usually reached with the bullet about 2 inches forward of the case mouth, and in most cases pressure drops to below 45ksi ~6-10" down the bore. The pressure/gas that is behind the bullet is more or less equal in the pressure vessel (bore area) behind the bullet. Bore scope a high pressure rifle barrel that has 1000+ rounds on it and you'll see that bore condition at about the 10" mark starts looking almost brand new, despite the first 6-8" being a fire-cracked wreck. Also bore scope low pressure barrels (9mm, 45acp, for example) that have tens of thousands of rounds on them and observe the relative lack of damage. Unless someone can provide hard data to the contrary, I'm going to sincerely doubt that shoulder angle or neck length has much of any bearing on throat life, and that loading to over 50, 60, 65ksi with 40-150gr of powder has a LOT to do with it.

YMMV. Years back I bit on the "2500 rounds no problem" bait on the 6.5 SAUM and dumb asses touting "3000 rounds & 3400fps" with the 6mm Comp match [effectively a .243 AI] with its "cool burning slow powders" etc. etc... My personal results fell exactly in line with what common sense should have told me from the get-go.

My point is case efficiency is one of very few variable that improves barrel life. Its asking a lot to get life from a magnum, lol.

Burning 6 grains less powder for the same bullet and velocity in a 7 ss vs a 7 rem mag is meaningful, AFAIK, it will reduce barrel erosion.

Heat is a contributing factor, barrels do "burn up" whatever the process.

I see how peak pressure correlates to firecracked areas, but I don't think it is causation. Firecracking and throat erosion are not the same. Though they interrelate.

All the smart kids talk about the gas and powder molecules doing the abrasion to the throat, not just pressure/heat per se. Firecracking contributes, sure. Also I don't see how it is pressure alone because a .308 and .243 can be shot at the same pressure, the SAMMI .243 is actually lower than .308, but the .243 will erode faster. It is not pressure.

Less powder burning reduces throat erosion in the same bore, AFAIK. As I understand, case efficiency reduces powder charge. It is at least one variable why the 6xc has better barrel life than .243. My position on case efficiency stands thst it increases barrel life.

Proportionally, a magnum is a magnum and the benefits are reduced, but rhey are still benefits.

Now, neck length and shoulder angle "focusing the flame" is more hotly disputed. I may be on the losing side there and for argument purposes I will concede that may be correlation without causation. Erosion differnces may be 100% caused by reduced powder charge, which comes with case efficiency differnces. No one really knows AFAIK.

Certainly the case shape is the difference, but it may be the amount of powder is the only or the primary reason 6xc has better life than 243.

Bottom line, guy wants a magnum and barrel life. That is a hard ask... lol. 28 Nosler was on his list, and that's why I gave the 7ss. Its a balance, clearly better than the 7 rem mag, and clearly not as bad as the 28 nosler.

IMO case efficiency also correlates to precision, but that is another argument altogether...

The one way to squeeze as much barrel life as possible is to choose a case as efficient as possible. Short magnum cases are one way to get a smaller screen door on rhe submarine...
 
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Ive decided on 300 prc. focusing on rl26 for light bullets, and rl33/vv570 for heavy pills. Of course i thought that 300 prc would be available longer during a rush...i was wrong.
you probably wont leave from RL26/H1000 in a plain 300PRC
 
Even though you've made your choice I'm throwing in anyway for the fun of it.

How about a long throated 338 WSM wildcat for the longest barrel life. 250's at 2700 fps???

The formula is usually to increase bore diameter while using the least amount of low flame temp powder to net reasonable results.

Could also use Bartleins new harder barrel steel and have Proof wrap it???

Then deploy a PAST recoil shield as well as a good break 🤪
 
was told online that a 6.5 creed moor life was around 4k already at 4500 rounds and its still going strong starting to see the wear in the throat no where near as bad as others I have seen with less shots through them so I am really happy i don't expect it to last as long as a 22lr or 308 but its nice to know there are things you can do to extend the life and usefulness longer than other proclaim that life to be .
 
Even though you've made your choice I'm throwing in anyway for the fun of it.

How about a long throated 338 WSM wildcat for the longest barrel life. 250's at 2700 fps???

The formula is usually to increase bore diameter while using the least amount of low flame temp powder to net reasonable results.

Could also use Bartleins new harder barrel steel and have Proof wrap it???

Then deploy a PAST recoil shield as well as a good break 🤪
or get a bartlein 400 in a bartlein carbon wrap?
 
Even though you've made your choice I'm throwing in anyway for the fun of it.

How about a long throated 338 WSM wildcat for the longest barrel life. 250's at 2700 fps???

The formula is usually to increase bore diameter while using the least amount of low flame temp powder to net reasonable results.

Could also use Bartleins new harder barrel steel and have Proof wrap it???

Then deploy a PAST recoil shield as well as a good break 🤪
i actually thought about this. i run a 65 WSM and its pretty good and the 338 WSM would run the same gear. i do have a 338 barrel in the closet wairing to be chambered, but i wanted a commercially available cartridge too.