- Thread starter Halfnutz
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Finally an update from Sig. Just got an email
I'll believe it when I see it I guess. It hasn't kept me from shooting my cross, I haven't had any issues. Just pay a little extra attention.
Hi,
Guys, I would not recommend shooting your Cross after Sig has contacted you with recall instructions.
Not because you may or may not have any problems but from a pure legal aspect of the situation.
IF and we all hope it doesn't happen, but IF something happens and someone else gets injured YOU are responsible because Sig has already told you not to shoot it. While Sig has a specific insurance policy to cover their end it will not cover your end.
Sincerely,
Theis
Guys, I would not recommend shooting your Cross after Sig has contacted you with recall instructions.
Not because you may or may not have any problems but from a pure legal aspect of the situation.
IF and we all hope it doesn't happen, but IF something happens and someone else gets injured YOU are responsible because Sig has already told you not to shoot it. While Sig has a specific insurance policy to cover their end it will not cover your end.
Sincerely,
Theis
I get the CYA part of it. Speaking of, silly me I meant to say my 700 not my cross. Whoops.
But, I've dry fired my cross probably a million times and never once had an issue. Lots of stories out there on the cross in question, which should be taken with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't want the recall to keep someone from getting the rifle if they like it, just because 1 had an issue. Although it looks like another member on the other cross thread had an issue as well. Just ready to put the whole recall behind us.
But, I've dry fired my cross probably a million times and never once had an issue. Lots of stories out there on the cross in question, which should be taken with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't want the recall to keep someone from getting the rifle if they like it, just because 1 had an issue. Although it looks like another member on the other cross thread had an issue as well. Just ready to put the whole recall behind us.
Been telling people for 20 years to stay away from sig and even argued with a bunch of jokers here why US made sigs are garbage yet idiots still line up to buy then and defend them.
Every fucking gun they come out with is jacked up.....and they use customers as beta testers while charging premium prices.
And over and over the idiots fall for the same sceme.
At this point, they deserve to own shitty guns.
Every fucking gun they come out with is jacked up.....and they use customers as beta testers while charging premium prices.
And over and over the idiots fall for the same sceme.
At this point, they deserve to own shitty guns.
Hi,
It makes no business and insurance sense for Sig to issue such a recall IF they were not able to replicate the problem. They do not recall for singular instances that cannot be replicated. That is just bad for business and insurance premiums that are already high get higher.
Sincerely,
Theis
It makes no business and insurance sense for Sig to issue such a recall IF they were not able to replicate the problem. They do not recall for singular instances that cannot be replicated. That is just bad for business and insurance premiums that are already high get higher.
Sincerely,
Theis
First rule of buying a Sig.....
If it was not built in CHE, Germany or West Germany.....its a piece of shit and stay away.
Some People are just now learning what we have known for decades.
Many will not.
Luckily for SigUSA and other trash gun manufactures, there is no shortage of dumbies to line up and buy their substandard overpriced crap. Kel tec makes better guns at a fraction of the cost.
If it was not built in CHE, Germany or West Germany.....its a piece of shit and stay away.
Some People are just now learning what we have known for decades.
Many will not.
Luckily for SigUSA and other trash gun manufactures, there is no shortage of dumbies to line up and buy their substandard overpriced crap. Kel tec makes better guns at a fraction of the cost.
They even said in their recall issue that it was an online video and they replicated the problem with that particular gun. That’s enough for them to issue the recall. Business wise, it just extends their payout on what it took to develop/market/build the rifles. Insurance wise it just covers their ass like you said and turns the liability on the user, not the manufacturer.
That’s just like, your opinion man
Glad I sold mine post recall. If people want to pay 1900+ for a recalled rifle, more power to them.
We have a bunch of Q fix rifles. They all work the way we want them to. Build quality is very high, and accuracy is superb.
We did have an issue where they don’t shoot well until about 80 rounds are fired and you have cleaned it a few times - then it settles right in. I suspect a lot of folks with shit groups didn’t give it any time hardly.
We did have an issue where they don’t shoot well until about 80 rounds are fired and you have cleaned it a few times - then it settles right in. I suspect a lot of folks with shit groups didn’t give it any time hardly.
I have a Cross and am debating selling it. I also like the Q Fix, but the price is 2x the price, which is a deal killer for me
They rush stuff to market without testing stuff properly. Not the first time.
Can't say I'm shocked. Every Sig rifle I own has been back for build issues or been recalled. I finally just stopped.
That said I wouldn't hesitate to buy or recommend their US-built classic line pistols or post-recall P320s. No issues with any of that.
That said I wouldn't hesitate to buy or recommend their US-built classic line pistols or post-recall P320s. No issues with any of that.
Only Sig I would consider would be Swiss or German built. Sig USA has such a poor track record at this point I couldn’t care less what they offer.
Can't blame ya. Most of what I have is German too - I have very very few made in the last decade.
When I went for something like an MPX I passed and got a Stribog and a CMMG Banshee instead. Although to be fair the Stribog needed new followers and the Banshee needed a new trigger group...at least they didn't have to go back!
When I went for something like an MPX I passed and got a Stribog and a CMMG Banshee instead. Although to be fair the Stribog needed new followers and the Banshee needed a new trigger group...at least they didn't have to go back!
Same country little faster...English and their shit electronics.
at least it wasn’t 6volt lol
Not the 5th time either, maybe the 10th if you only consider the last 5 years
By then they discontinue it and on to the next thing you get to Beta test.
The fact people buy this shit makes my head hurt. Its literal insanity.
The reason Sig does this is morons keep buying their junk. STOP BUYING JUNK.
Exactly this! The only way to win with Sig is not to play! It's hard to blame Sig for doing what they do when people line up to buy it and defend it. I learned it the hard way with the MPX when it came out. Sig is good at one thing, and one thing only Marketing.
I don't think you'll see Sig declare Gen #'s ever again, not after all the blowback they've taken with the MPX, they now just very quietly change lots of things without telling anyone. I've seen at least 4 different feed ramp cuts on MPX "Gen 2" guns and people wonder why some Gen 2's run with Gen 1 and Gen 2 mags, Gen 2 mags only, or with neither. They will simply call it "continuous improvement". It's genius because now you can't even track how obsolete your Sig is until you have an issue and the replacement parts don't fit, or you can't even get them anymore.
Play the long game, wait 5 years and if the product still exists buy in......okay you might get lucky if it's something boring like the 365 or P210. For an expandable platform though, forget about it!. Parts for the MPX/MCX are simply priced for the stupid. $500 stripped upper, $600 barrel, $400 bolt/carrier, $70 plastic mags. It's not even about being poor it's the stupidity of paying Bartlein/JP prices for Sig OEM crap.
It's pretty clear that their problem is not a lack of "testing", or insufficient "QC", or any of the other jargon that people like to toss around. SIG clearly has a systemic lack of effective design controls, and from their recent track record of consistently releasing shit to the marketplace, their business practices are ultimately to blame.
That being said, I've got a Cross because there are so few other choices for lightweight hunting rifles not based on the R700 architecture, and none of them are particularly spectacular (there are plenty of complaints to be found about Q and Christensen).
brazz04 - wait a week? It's been 2+ months now we can't use our rifles. Meanwhile....SIG just finished up their $$$$$$$$$ contract with the government. They should make a better effort to take care of their customers. I seriously doubt I'll buy a Sig again now. Just too many other good options out there.
And that's just a few, there are at least a dozen and a half Kimber rifles with controlled round feeding that don't even reach 7 lbs bare.
Hell, a new Model 70 Featherweight is 7 lbs bare (1/2 lb more than a Cross), and that's with 6 more inches of barrel length than the Cross.
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WOW, I called Sig Sauer today to get an update on the Cross recall and had a BAD EXPERIENCE! I filled out the recall info (entered my serial # and contact info) and this was last week of November 2020. It's been over 2 months with NO info from Sig Sauer at all. So, I decided to call today and spoke to a "customer service rep" who was completely unprofessional and had an attitude. Basically couldn't tell me any info when I asked questions like "have they figured out the problem yet"?, etc....I wasn't expecting a piss poor attitude. Sig Sauer, I will never, ever buy another product from you again. I'm done and gonna just sell my Cross and never look back. There's plenty of great companies out there to take my hard earned money.
What the hell? If you look at their facebook page, there are tons of cross owners complaining on almost every post, with NO response from SIG. I have a Pdog hunt coming up in June and was going to bring my Cross as a secondary rifle.
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Was going to use the cross for a hunt. Glad I sold it off and bought a savage prefit.
are there people actually still buying Cross's being under recall? If I went to sell it I would make sure that the person knew there is a safety recall first. I just thought that it would deter most everyone.
I was watching prices on GB for the cross. Maybe around 10/20 they were roughly 1600-1700. Not much more then what you would buy them for at your LGS. 4ish weeks post recall I looked on GB again and they were going for north of 1800 easy.
I just got an email today from SIG saying they are shipping me a "PACKAGE ASSEMBLY, SIG CROSS".
Soooooo I assume this is a box to ship it back to them?
Soooooo I assume this is a box to ship it back to them?
Uh...ya, practice fundamental gun safety and it’s a non issue. Been shooting mine this whole time. So ya, sending it back for a week is a not a big deal.
NO, My buddy purchased one from a store and went to get the background check done (then they had the recall) and the store gave him his money back. I have seen NO Sig Cross rifles for sale (new) in stores anywhere since the recall.
Its NOT a week bro. I haven't used the rifle since the recall back in Nov 2020. I literally just got my email that Sig is sending a package for my rifle and turn around time is another 2-4 weeks. SO thats approx. 4 months I will not be using the rifle.
Their email states turn around time is 2-4 weeks now? I have yet to get my notification of package tracking. Their first email stated 5-7 days for turn around.
I was referring to private sales, mostly on gunbroker.
ok, that seems to have dried up also. I think I saw one Cross for sale on GB, 5 months ago there were like 20+ for sale. I was considering selling mine also, but dont want the "liability" if someone purchased it and had an incident.
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Meh, hasn't stopped me from using the rifle. A single documented issue when a guy was intentionally trying to break the rifle does not concern me.
The 2-4 weeks is new, but I like the rifle a lot so sending it back for that time is also not a concern. I always enjoy seeing how much people work themselves up over these things. It's as though people look for opportunities to cry online. I just went through all this shitty weather in texas and had no power for 8 days. A short recall on a rifle in comparison is not the end of the world.
The 2-4 weeks is new, but I like the rifle a lot so sending it back for that time is also not a concern. I always enjoy seeing how much people work themselves up over these things. It's as though people look for opportunities to cry online. I just went through all this shitty weather in texas and had no power for 8 days. A short recall on a rifle in comparison is not the end of the world.
Sig Sauer has a new $10MM lawsuit due to a P320 Pistol After Alleged Accidental Discharge Wounds Federal Agent
You do realize that IF an accident happens you are the one liable and not Sig Sauer because they issued a recall, right? To each his own, but I got too much to lose over an accident. I'm pretty careful, but accidents happen so I havent been using mine.
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Recall hasn’t stopped me from doing the Sig recommended barrel break-in and trying out a few different scopes. Yes, I understand the liability issues and I accept it. Practicing muzzle discipline, bolt stays open and range I use is fairly private (not crowded at all, particularly at below zero temperatures). While disappointed in recall, happened two weeks after I purchased, I am happy with rifle and the accuracy I am getting. 6.5 cm with better than moa so far. More than good enough for hunting.
Your better off following this thread below...
www.snipershide.com
New Sig CROSS
Is Sig shipping new Cross rifles, or has the recall halted new production? I knew better to prepay for one last July but did it anyway. Sitting here with a new scope, rings, and spare mags just waiting...
www.snipershide.com That's why I waited. My BIL picked up an x5 as soon as they came out.
I ordered a x5 legion a few months ago. I figured they should be on at least gen 3 by now...
Really I just looked the fact that I can change springs with the open guide rod. Looking forward to those reduced loads and being able to shoot lazy at our local steel matches.
Got my hat today and will have to remount the scope etc later, but the trigger feels about the same to me so far. I think other may be more perceptible then me though.
The cheek piece seems smoother then when I sent it in?? Hinge feels the same to me.
The cheek piece seems smoother then when I sent it in?? Hinge feels the same to me.
