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Precision Rifle Gear Insite Arms Brake & Tuner Combo

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    Harley and Company sent me their new Tuner

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    This guy fits my Straight Jacket barrel (other tuners do not ) and has the 5 chamber brake for enhanced management

    Insite makes great brakes, I run the Heathen pretty religiously when not using a can
     
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    Your IP attorney will probably tell you not to make those accusations on the internet regardless of their veracity.
     
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    For the cheap seats, a public accusation on here is enough to show actual controversy, and open you up to a declaratory judgement suit. The alleged infringing party sues YOU and attempts to use all the prior art (of which there is a shit-ton) to invalidate your patent, or otherwise show it's non-validity. You might win, you might lose, but it won't be cheap either way. A patent is worth exactly your ability to financially defend it.

    Remember, most people in prison are there because they couldn't shut the fuck up. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
     
    Everything Infringes,

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    This is a Horus Reticle, Hold over grid in Mils ...
    Anti Aircraft Artillery is adjusted in Mils, the grid is designed to lead an Aircraft, it's a lined grid, hence it's a Horus based on the Patents
     
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    Your infringing on my ability to have a good time here. Your tuner is not special. If it was you'd of called it "Snowflake". I make my own to cut out the middle man. Sell your shit and be happy.
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    It actually looks different enough I would have not jumped in like he did, but not my product


    It's close, but they all are pretty similar
     
     
    We will see what they have to say because that thing infringes on my patent in multiple ways.
    Looks like you knocked Harrell’s tuner brake off. Do they have a patent? Maybe look into that.
     
    Looks like you knocked Harrell’s tuner brake off. Do they have a patent? Maybe look into that.
    The harrells is a non directional muzzle brake with a tuner. It’s not self timing and the ones with directional muzzle brakes weren’t self timing they had to be timed by a gunsmith in the way normal muzzle brakes are.

    Unfortunately in the ways that matter this thing is a blatant copy.
     
    I’m just here for the fireworks but if the offense is based on

    Self timing
    Redirection of muzzle blast /pressure

    a simple wording difference make that patent irrelevant.

    If you have a utility patent then you already know how rewording works because you had to describe the redirection of gas and attachment to barrel.

    if not you would be infringing on other patents, and your patent attorney would have had you remove the application.

    if it’s provisional it doesn’t mean anything yet in court and is easily circumvented. And if the wording has not been changed the utility patent will not be awarded because the provisional patent application will fail thorough inspection.

    if it’s a design patent it’s based on pictures not words like a Coke bottle.

    but like every cellphone mfg, they all have design patents yet all phones are the same

    just stating what I have run into while submitting several patents, some went all the way and some not so much.
     
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    Lol there was a thread on Facepage with the without warning brake and Eric cortina. It was amusing. They all work in the same way there are like 6 on the market and 2 are different than others the rest all look the same
     
    I can’t believe this is even a patent issue. You made a muzzle break with some weight that screws, even if your patent holds up in court it’s gonna cost more money to fight it than you’ll ever make selling gay tuners.
     
    I’m just here for the fireworks but if the offense is based on

    Self timing
    Redirection of muzzle blast /pressure

    a simple wording difference make that patent irrelevant.

    If you have a utility patent then you already know how rewording works because you had to describe the redirection of gas and attachment to barrel.

    if not you would be infringing on other patents, and your patent attorney would have had you remove the application.

    if it’s provisional it doesn’t mean anything yet in court and is easily circumvented. And if the wording has not been changed the utility patent will not be awarded because the provisional patent application will fail thorough inspection.

    if it’s a design patent it’s based on pictures not words like a Coke bottle.

    but like every cellphone mfg, they all have design patents yet all phones are the same

    just stating what I have run into while submitting several patents, some went all the way and some not so much.
    I hear you and maybe some people see value in patenting such fragile claims but I didn’t and wouldn’t.

    Anyways I don’t expect and wouldn’t expect others to understand or care. They’re not in my position/most likely never will be.
     
    Starting to remind me of Mcrees and their chassis bubble level lawsuit fiasco that so endeared them with the shooting community. Not yet at the level where they threatened to sue customers who bought any competing chassis with a bubble level, but let’s see where this goes. Defending a patent with the 10% difference and prior art/usage clauses has kept me out of any consumer level manufacturing attempts in the past. Tuner concepts and usage have been around a long time in the rimfire world and is starting to finally gain traction in the centerfire world. How do you want to portray your products to the shooting community? — May the best product win, or the best lawyered up?

    I am curious to see Lowlight’s testing results at different distances and weather or not he thinks barrel tuning would have advantage or loss vs ladder testing powder charge.

     
    I hear you and maybe some people see value in patenting such fragile claims but I didn’t and wouldn’t.

    Anyways I don’t expect and wouldn’t expect others to understand or care. They’re not in my position/most likely never will be.
    I referenced those claims because you you discussed them is a post, I thought they maybe important to your patents.

    I’m guessing you petitioned for a design patent then.

    I do not see other patents available other than design simply because of the limited scope of a tuner.

    fit, finish, attach by threads etc are not patentable anymore and if they are they won’t hold up.

    unless you are using a special material or process which the tuner is produced (that patent would not be infringed by similar design if produced via different methods)

    I’m not sure what patent method would be air tight

    with the limited amount of actual parts, direction of movement, and possible attachment styles to barrel I truthfully don’t see what is patentable with out the need to cite previous patents.

    If possible I’d love to see...always looking to learn.
     
    We have Manufactured the Heathen Brake for over 5 years now with great success; offering 5 brake sizes with multiple thread & port options. The Heathen is self-timing, and utilizes a larger 90 degree first "discharge" port to provide the optimal balance between recoil management and muzzle blast while allowing the shooter to maintain sight picture and alignment with the target. The Heathen was specifically designed to minimize the concussive blast, reducing fatigue, ground debris disturbance and muzzle jump.

    Over the last year we had many customers request a tuner that would work with the Heathen. We started design of the tuner in the summer and started sending out limited production run samples to customers and experienced shooters in Canada and the US for feedback and testing this past fall and winter. Feedback has been excellent. It does what a tuner is supposed to do - there is no magic or re-inventing the wheel. It is simply a tuner that interfaces with the Heathen Muzzle Brake.

    Our tuner will work only with any of the 1.125", 0.995" & 0.885" Heathen Brakes, without tools or gunsmith modification. The tuner does not touch the barrel or the brake body - only the lock collar/nut. The Tuner is supplied with a replacement "outside-threaded" locking collar / jam-nut for the muzzle brake. The set screws engage only a flat portion of the collar. Our design allows proper position of the crown flush with the rear wall of the first port. This avoids accuracy degrading turbulence which occur when shrouding the crown in a "tunnel" before gasses can discharge from the first port. The tuner can be removed and the Heathen brake run alone in just seconds if the Insite Tuner is not needed or required. Also, the Heathen locking collar requires no tools - hand tight is nearly always sufficient especially on most custom rifles with true threads and square shoulders; some guys use a simple strap wrench to give an extra tighten - we have found an actual wrench can provide excessive torque & damage/stretch the fine threads on a muzzle causing the brake to repeatedly loosen over time.

    Customer feedback has indicated many people who run a Heathen brake want to try a tuner on their rifle. But they also want to the option to run a Top-Level Muzzle brake alone when a tuner is not required as we all know a tuner is not always needed for every precision rifle / ammunition combination. A tuner is not for everyone and certainly not a requirement for many top-level rifles and shooters, however, there are certain situations where they have the potential to provide a competitive edge; especially in the rimfire area where factory ammo is the the only option. The Insite Tuner retails for approximately $150 usd, our brakes are approximately $170.

    We understand and appreciate the pride, commitment, money and hard-work required to bring any product from concept to production. We also have come to realize that very simple solutions to very simple problems such as the dilemma of whether to either mount a tuner on the barrel or on the brake are not ground breaking innovations of design and engineering.

    Until today, we were not aware of the company, Strikewithoutwarning.com. Of course we wish them and all supporting members and businesses of this forum and the industry continued success in this challenging and uncertain economic and political state.

    Best Regards,
    Insite
     
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    Harley and Company sent me their new Tuner

    View attachment 7571005

    This guy fits my Straight Jacket barrel (other tuners do not ) and has the 5 chamber brake for enhanced management

    Insite makes great brakes, I run the Heathen pretty religiously when not using a can

    Do you notice any difference between the 4-port and the 5-port? I just got a 4-port, and it's great, but I wonder if I fucked up and should have gone whole hog with the 5-port?
    I mean, does it really matter if one's loud/obnoxious brake is just a small percentage slightly more loud/obnoxious lol?
     
    Diminishing returns as you could imagine.

    it’s a even stepper decline when you are shooting a short action not magnum/boomer
     
    Harley and Company sent me their new Tuner

    View attachment 7571005

    This guy fits my Straight Jacket barrel (other tuners do not ) and has the 5 chamber brake for enhanced management

    Insite makes great brakes, I run the Heathen pretty religiously when not using a can
    I was thinking about getting a super tuner brake. How much difference does it make in accuracy and velocity vs shooting witrh a can in Long Range Shooting..Im fairly new to Long Range Shooting and reloading.Thanks
     
    I was thinking about getting a super tuner brake. How much difference does it make in accuracy and velocity vs shooting witrh a can in Long Range Shooting..Im fairly new to Long Range Shooting and reloading.Thanks

    If you are new to long range shooting and reloading, I think you need to skip tuners for now.

    Focus on making quality repeatable reloads, shooting fundamentals, and learn internal and external ballistics.

    Adding another variable that shifts POI and group size is too many variables to play with at the beginning of this journey.
     
    If you are new to long range shooting and reloading, I think you need to skip tuners for now.

    Focus on making quality repeatable reloads, shooting fundamentals, and learn internal and external ballistics.

    Adding another variable that shifts POI and group size is too many variables to play with at the beginning of this journey.
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    We have Manufactured the Heathen Brake for over 5 years now with great success; offering 5 brake sizes with multiple thread & port options. The Heathen is self-timing, and utilizes a larger 90 degree first "discharge" port to provide the optimal balance between recoil management and muzzle blast while allowing the shooter to maintain sight picture and alignment with the target. The Heathen was specifically designed to minimize the concussive blast, reducing fatigue, ground debris disturbance and muzzle jump.

    Over the last year we had many customers request a tuner that would work with the Heathen. We started design of the tuner in the summer and started sending out limited production run samples to customers and experienced shooters in Canada and the US for feedback and testing this past fall and winter. Feedback has been excellent. It does what a tuner is supposed to do - there is no magic or re-inventing the wheel. It is simply a tuner that interfaces with the Heathen Muzzle Brake.

    Our tuner will work only with any of the 1.125", 0.995" & 0.885" Heathen Brakes, without tools or gunsmith modification. The tuner does not touch the barrel or the brake body - only the lock collar/nut. The Tuner is supplied with a replacement "outside-threaded" locking collar / jam-nut for the muzzle brake. The set screws engage only a flat portion of the collar. Our design allows proper position of the crown flush with the rear wall of the first port. This avoids accuracy degrading turbulence which occur when shrouding the crown in a "tunnel" before gasses can discharge from the first port. The tuner can be removed and the Heathen brake run alone in just seconds if the Insite Tuner is not needed or required. Also, the Heathen locking collar requires no tools - hand tight is nearly always sufficient especially on most custom rifles with true threads and square shoulders; some guys use a simple strap wrench to give an extra tighten - we have found an actual wrench can provide excessive torque & damage/stretch the fine threads on a muzzle causing the brake to repeatedly loosen over time.

    Customer feedback has indicated many people who run a Heathen brake want to try a tuner on their rifle. But they also want to the option to run a Top-Level Muzzle brake alone when a tuner is not required as we all know a tuner is not always needed for every precision rifle / ammunition combination. A tuner is not for everyone and certainly not a requirement for many top-level rifles and shooters, however, there are certain situations where they have the potential to provide a competitive edge; especially in the rimfire area where factory ammo is the the only option. The Insite Tuner retails for approximately $150 usd, our brakes are approximately $170.

    We understand and appreciate the pride, commitment, money and hard-work required to bring any product from concept to production. We also have come to realize that very simple solutions to very simple problems such as the dilemma of whether to either mount a tuner on the barrel or on the brake are not ground breaking innovations of design and engineering.

    Until today, we were not aware of the company, Strikewithoutwarning.com. Of course we wish them and all supporting members and businesses of this forum and the industry continued success in this challenging and uncertain economic and political state.

    Best Regards,
    Insite
    when will these be available?
     
    when will these be available?
    We will start shipping our upcoming run of tuners in 2-3 weeks
    If you would like to be on the email list to be contacted as soon as they are ready, please email [email protected]
    Please note if you currently have a Heathen Brake and the size or model - if you require the brake as well, please list the thread spec on the barrel and barrel contour or muzzle diameter so we can choose the right size Heathen.
     
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    We will start shipping our upcoming run of tuners in 2-3 weeks
    If you would like to be on the email list to be contacted as soon as they are ready, please email andy@insitearms
    Please note if you currently have a Heathen and what size it is or if need the brake and the tuner together - if you require the brake as well please list the thread spec on the barrel and barrel contour or muzzle diameter so we can choose the right size Heathen.
    Will do right now thanks.

    info sent....
     
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    Do you notice any difference between the 4-port and the 5-port? I just got a 4-port, and it's great, but I wonder if I fucked up and should have gone whole hog with the 5-port?
    I mean, does it really matter if one's loud/obnoxious brake is just a small percentage slightly more loud/obnoxious lol?
    If you are having second thoughts we can send you the 5 port and you can try it; send us back either one after testing. We have always had a 100% no questions asked refund guarantee on the Heathen. Email me and we will get it done: [email protected]
     
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    If you are having second thoughts we can send you the 5 port and you can try it; send us back either one after testing. We have always has a 100% no questions asked refund guarantee on the Heathen. Email me and we will get it done: [email protected]

    Man, that's awesome! Email inbound.

    The 4-port one is great (and not punishing at all to be behind like most brakes), but I would like to see which one I like better...
     
    Yeah how much of a difference between the 4 and the 5 ports ? Also what's the performance loss using the 308 bore on a 6.5 or 223 ?
     
    I cant wait to give the tuner a try on my .22, Ill be ordering one as soon as they’re available. The heathens are by far my favourite break on any caliber ive owned. Its also doesnt hurt that Andy and Harley are such stand up dudes