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I saw the light

Texasflyer

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    So i have been getting fucked pretty hard lately by the power company. My bill is usually around 90 bucks a month for electricity. Well, this last month i turned off the outside light on the power pole to help me hunt better with the new thermal scope, i just left it off all month and didnt really think about it. Got my new power bill for last month and its only 25 dollars. So the led light the put on my power pole costs me like 60 bucks a month in power? Vs 25 to run my lights, fridge, ac, tv, laptop, ect ect ect.... how the fuck is one street light costing so much? I woulda never known either.... what should i do? Complain? Have the light tested for power draw and if its over whats stated sue for veing over charged? 60 bucks a month for 10 years kinda adds up....
     
    So i have been getting fucked pretty hard lately by the power company. My bill is usually around 90 bucks a month for electricity. Well, this last month i turned off the outside light on the power pole to help me hunt better with the new thermal scope, i just left it off all month and didnt really think about it. Got my new power bill for last month and its only 25 dollars. So the led light the put on my power pole costs me like 60 bucks a month in power? Vs 25 to run my lights, fridge, ac, tv, laptop, ect ect ect.... how the fuck is one street light costing so much? I woulda never known either.... what should i do? Complain? Have the light tested for power draw and if its over whats stated sue for veing over charged? 60 bucks a month for 10 years kinda adds up....

    Lol 90 power bill and you are complaining.....
     
    Lol 90 power bill and you are complaining.....
    I work... alot, and live alone. For large parts of the day everything is off, even when i do come home i dont use alot of power. Im pretty damn consistent. 84-90 bucks a month thru the year. This is the only change that has happened this month. Ac has run all month cause its pretty warm allready.
     
    Is your power usage that consistent, and is that the only change you made?
    I troubleshoot for a living, and customers are always adamant that the last change they made is what broke it. They are rarely correct.
    Totally why im asking, maybe there is something i dont know that someone else does, i dont wanna bitch about something just to look like an ass.
     
    So i have been getting fucked pretty hard lately by the power company. My bill is usually around 90 bucks a month for electricity. Well, this last month i turned off the outside light on the power pole to help me hunt better with the new thermal scope, i just left it off all month and didnt really think about it. Got my new power bill for last month and its only 25 dollars. So the led light the put on my power pole costs me like 60 bucks a month in power? Vs 25 to run my lights, fridge, ac, tv, laptop, ect ect ect.... how the fuck is one street light costing so much? I woulda never known either.... what should i do? Complain? Have the light tested for power draw and if its over whats stated sue for veing over charged? 60 bucks a month for 10 years kinda adds up....

    Leave it off

    Shoot it

    Get on a ladder unbolt it from the pole and throw it away

    Did you ask for this light? If not, why are you paying for it?
     
    Leave it off

    Shoot it

    Get on a ladder unbolt it from the pole and throw it away

    Did you ask for this light? If not, why are you paying for it?
    The power company has the light on the pole cause its residential or some reason, i did pay extra to have them put it on a switch so i can control it. But i never left it off for a month until recently.... im kinda pissed ive been paying over twice what i do for my house for my yard to be lit up while im asleep....
     
    My outside lights (2) are a flat rate of $12 each a month. They aren't metered. They also don't belong to me. It doesn't seem like a LED should be $60 a month anyway. The power company knows exactly how much electricity those lights use and can share that info with you...
     
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    Can you post the KWH difference in your bill? Could work backwards to see if the usage matches to large outdoor lights. I have some LED high bay lights in my garage that are labeled as 250 watts each.
     
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    Can you post the KWH difference in your bill? Could work backwards to see if the usage matches to large outdoor lights. I have some LED high bay lights in my garage that are labeled as 250 watts each.
    Ill look and see but im not a big saver of old bills, last months im pretty certain i shredded allready. When i get home ill check this months bill and see what info is there.
     
    The power company has the light on the pole cause its residential or some reason, i did pay extra to have them put it on a switch so i can control it. But i never left it off for a month until recently.... im kinda pissed ive been paying over twice what i do for my house for my yard to be lit up while im asleep....

    If you didn't ask for the light to be installed, why are they charging you for the electricity it consumes?

    I would run out of ammo shooting that motherfucker out every time they came to fix it.
     
    If you didn't ask for the light to be installed, why are they charging you for the electricity it consumes?

    I would run out of ammo shooting that motherfucker out every time they came to fix it.
    Apparently they arent charging me for it when its turned off though, or i got some mysterious rebate and im blaming it on the light arrantly, i was hoping somebody would say there is a blah blah blah Texas energy rebate or something.... but i kinda think it may actually be the light....
     
    So i have been getting fucked pretty hard lately by the power company. My bill is usually around 90 bucks a month for electricity. Well, this last month i turned off the outside light on the power pole to help me hunt better with the new thermal scope, i just left it off all month and didnt really think about it. Got my new power bill for last month and its only 25 dollars. So the led light the put on my power pole costs me like 60 bucks a month in power? Vs 25 to run my lights, fridge, ac, tv, laptop, ect ect ect.... how the fuck is one street light costing so much? I woulda never known either.... what should i do? Complain? Have the light tested for power draw and if its over whats stated sue for veing over charged? 60 bucks a month for 10 years kinda adds up....


    I mean... hard to say, are you saying it was a pole light supplied by the power company? Does it run all day, just during dark hours? Timed, sensor?

    So many variables.

    Absolutely, yes, a street light or equivalent could easily use $60 in electricity in a month, especially if left on during daylight hours.
     
    Ill look and see but im not a big saver of old bills, last months im pretty certain i shredded allready. When i get home ill check this months bill and see what info is there.
    They might have your bill's online where you could look at them there.

    I don't suppose you have an amp clamp or can borrow a meter with an amp clamp from someone? If so that's the easiest way to check the consumption of the light. Get somewhere you can clamp around 1 of the wires feeding that light, then turn it on and see what the amps are. If it's an LED, it should be consuming very little energy. If it were a VERY bright LED it could account for that much consumption, but generally an AC is going to consume WAY more than a light, even a super bright light. For some of my projects I spec 25k lumen lights that only consume about 1.5kW, which if running every night all night can definitely start to add up but we're talking like $30 a month per light (based on 8 hours a night and average TX power rates).

    Another consideration, generally power is charged on a stepped system (at least in my area) so the first x kilowatt-hours cost substantially less than the next x, like half. It could be that you're right on the edge of your low rate kWh and the light's consumption is all at the higher rate.

    I'd say looking at your kwh usage for this month and last month and measuring the amps to that light are the best ways to find out if it's the light using the difference. If it is, the biggest question in my mind is how are you getting away with a $25 bill while running an AC unit? The only thing that makes sense is if the AC runs very rarely.
     
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    I know ive overpl paid and they credited me on a month. Looking at one smaller bill is not the same as looking at several with the changes. Its just like shooting groups. You got one in the center, now see if you can do it again.
     
    I mean... hard to say, are you saying it was a pole light supplied by the power company? Does it run all day, just during dark hours? Timed, sensor?

    So many variables.

    Absolutely, yes, a street light or equivalent could easily use $60 in electricity in a month, especially if left on during daylight hours.
    It has a sensor, only came on at dusk.
     
    They might have your bill's online where you could look at them there.

    I don't suppose you have an amp clamp or can borrow a meter with an amp clamp from someone? If so that's the easiest way to check the consumption of the light. Get somewhere you can clamp around 1 of the wires feeding that light, then turn it on and see what the amps are. If it's an LED, it should be consuming very little energy. If it were a VERY bright LED it could account for that much consumption, but generally an AC is going to consume WAY more than a light, even a super bright light. For some of my projects I spec 25k lumen lights that only consume about 1.5kW, which if running every night all night can definitely start to add up but we're talking like $30 a month per light (based on 8 hours a night and average TX power rates).

    Another consideration, generally power is charged on a stepped system (at least in my area) so the first x kilowatt-hours cost substantially less than the next x, like half. It could be that you're right on the edge of your low rate kWh and the light's consumption is all at the higher rate.

    I'd say looking at your kwh usage for this month and last month and measuring the amps to that light are the best ways to find out if it's the light using the difference. If it is, the biggest question in my mind is how are you getting away with a $25 bill while running an AC unit? The only thing that makes sense is if the AC runs very rarely.
    My ac unit is a pioneer mini split, i noticed the bill go down once i switched to it. Its supposed to be pretty efficent but sucks as a heater if it drops below freezing.
     
    The power company has the light on the pole cause its residential or some reason, i did pay extra to have them put it on a switch so i can control it. But i never left it off for a month until recently.... im kinda pissed ive been paying over twice what i do for my house for my yard to be lit up while im asleep....
    It has a sensor, only came on at dusk.


    My bad, I read right over where you essentially answered what I asked.

    So, because you asked for the switch -- they put it on your circuit, it sounds like. Where is that switch located?
     
    So i have been getting fucked pretty hard lately by the power company. My bill is usually around 90 bucks a month for electricity. Well, this last month i turned off the outside light on the power pole to help me hunt better with the new thermal scope, i just left it off all month and didnt really think about it. Got my new power bill for last month and its only 25 dollars. So the led light the put on my power pole costs me like 60 bucks a month in power? Vs 25 to run my lights, fridge, ac, tv, laptop, ect ect ect.... how the fuck is one street light costing so much? I woulda never known either.... what should i do? Complain? Have the light tested for power draw and if its over whats stated sue for veing over charged? 60 bucks a month for 10 years kinda adds up....
    What kind of light is it? HID lighting uses a crazy amount of power. It's one of the ways they catch weed growers. If it's way up high on that pole it's probably a power sucker and I'm not even remotely shocked at $65 per month.

    If you figure a 600w metal halide running at 24 hours a day that's 432 kw/h per month. At 15 cents per kw/h there's your $65.

    Lots of variables here, but the bill seems reasonable.
     
    My bad, I read right over where you essentially answered what I asked.

    So, because you asked for the switch -- they put it on your circuit, it sounds like. Where is that switch located?
    On the power pole pretty much next to the meter
     
    What kind of light is it? HID lighting uses a crazy amount of power. It's one of the ways they catch weed growers. If it's way up high on that pole it's probably a power sucker and I'm not even remotely shocked at $65 per month.

    If you figure a 600w metal halide running at 24 hours a day that's 432 kw/h per month. At 15 cents per kw/h there's your $65.

    Lots of variables here, but the bill seems reasonable.
    Its a big multi led light, i actually prefered the hid lights but they replaced it last time it blew out with a new like 30 led high intensity light, its an ugly purplish blue light it puts out. Its why i havent minded leaving it off lately lol.
     
    You can pay the power company to install one and they will charge you a flat monthly rate for it just as @judgedelta said. It should run around $12-$15 per month. I don’t know what the install is.
     
    You can pay the power company to install one and they will charge you a flat monthly rate for it just as @judgedelta said. It should run around $12-$15 per month. I don’t know what the install is.
    The power company installed the one i currently have. But im gonna leave it off now anyways, i have nv security cameras and a thermal, i dont really need it anymore.
     
    Its a big multi led light, i actually prefered the hid lights but they replaced it last time it blew out with a new like 30 led high intensity light, its an ugly purplish blue light it puts out. Its why i havent minded leaving it off lately lol.
    Ahhhh.....

    Well I guess you could always plant a california inspired garden under those purplish LEDs and use the proceeds to pay the power bill.

    When life hands you lemons, make lemonade?
     
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    Ahhhh.....

    Well I guess you could always plant a california inspired garden under those purplish LEDs and use the proceeds to pay the power bill.

    When life hands you lemons, make lemonade?
    I cant see how burying a bunch of communist in my yard is gonna help anything..... lmfao
     
    there should be an easy fix where you have a switch on your property to turn it off and on when required since they're automatically charging you for it. that would be the common sense way as I see it.

    we're probably paying for our light poles also, but they'd be hiding the costs somewhere else.
     
    On the power pole pretty much next to the meter

    Since you asked for a switch, you're going to want to contact the power company and request a copy of any service contracts relating to the property. You need to verify you didn't sign something agreeing to be responsible for the consumption of the light.

    If there is something in there that in any way could be construed to read as you accepting responsibility for the light -- you'll likely lose any attempt to litigate it. If there is not -- you need to determine what the damages were. To get anywhere, in that regard, you're going to need to show what you paid for in services during the period in dispute. Ideally, that would be billing data. If that's not reasonable to obtain, you can check your own bank records. While it may not be possible to obtain a record for every month going all the way back a decade -- you need to be able to show you made an effort. Record everything you do in these efforts, record the time you spend on the phone, record the time you spend doing everything.

    Any conversations you have with these companies should also either be recorded or transcribed, former being preferred -- be sure to know and abide by the law(s) of your state in this regard.

    There are a number of ways you can approach this -- one of which is obviously to be pissed off and convey that when you talk to your power company -- of which I can assure you is the least productive options at your disposal.

    -Try to work with the power company to come to a resolution
    -Contact your state utility commission and see what, if any, process they have to handle something like this
    -Hire a lawyer and sue them (Your contract may have an arbitration clause that would complicate this)

    There may be other options you've got, those are the big 3 the come to mind. My personal feelings, were it me, I'd just want the utility to refund me a fair amount for the period in dispute. If litigation or arbitration can be avoided, I'd do my best to do that. If not, expect them to drag it out for years and make it as annoying as possible. They have staff lawyers, you don't.

    So, three things:
    1) Be able to show you didn't sign anything agreeing to be responsible for the consumption of the light
    2) Be able to show what you paid during the period, or that you made an effort to gather than information
    3) Have a number that you will accept

    You want to have, at your fingertips, all of the pieces necessary for all parties involved to resolve it. Expect it to be a slow process, this is not likely something they deal with very often -- especially over such an extended period of time.
     
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    Was that the light the space station used as a reference to count laps?

    You better turn it back on.
     
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    Man oh man, I too have a town light on my property and I’m gonna be pissed if they are footing me with the bill. Honestly I hate the damn thing as it’s bright as shit at night. I’m gonna “ turn it Off” and see the bill.
     
    We have a light by our driveway - it is a 250 watt metal halide. Billed at a flat rate ( it does have a sensor so off during the day ) of ~$29 a month. our KWh rate is ~ $.18 and they do list out how much the light uses on the bill, although it is not attached to our meter and does not seem to have a separate traditional meter.

    So $65 for an LED seems high, especially if it is off during the day. It would have to be a very bright LED to use that much electricity.

    If that is it, good job on finding it. Now you can use it when you want to, and leave it off when you don't. It is nice to have the option and if they don't make you use it as part of a contract and you can lower your bill that sounds great.

    I would investigate why it uses so much though
     
    It may seem unbelievable, but I have gotten a refund credit in the past from Entergy. Something about being overcharged for something. But at the same time I think I'm still paying reparations for the major hurricanes in 2005 on my light bill. If not Katrina/Rita there's been several other destructive storms come through since then.
    Just saying maybe you got some kind of similar "refund" that they'll take back on later bills.
     
    Retired Lineman here. Companies can be different but most outdoor lighting is connected on the power companies side of the meter and is billed flat rate. I'm going to say that something else is going on. I would start by looking closely your bill and look for meter reading errors.
     
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    Mine is $22 and that's just 'fees and taxes'

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    Ok, so upon further inspection there was a negative balance added of 40 bucks as capital credits, and like negative tax.... pretty strange but im not gonna complain, thanks for the advice , it was bugging me all morning but yeah, pretty sure it isnt the light now, i get a flat charge of 10.19 for it.
     
    Ok, so upon further inspection there was a negative balance added of 40 bucks as capital credits, and like negative tax.... pretty strange but im not gonna complain, thanks for the advice , it was bugging me all morning but yeah, pretty sure it isnt the light now, i get a flat charge of 10.19 for it.

    That's cheap for a light they maintain and power. Hell, a decent hi-bay LED can run $400+.

    Our utility will do contract lights for an entire town, but not per customer. You get to install, maintain, and power your own damn light around here. Last bill I looked at my rate was .09/kwh, so I'll let you figure out where they're hiding it.


    On a side note, my house had 22, 6" recessed cans with 100w lamps when I moved in. First thing I did was put 9w LED retro lamps in. Went from 2.2kw, to .2kw. HUGE savings considering I have a wife and kids that don't know the switches move back down after they're up, so those cans burn 12+ hours a day.
     
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