Johnny football does not go first

Mike said:

Well I disagree. Take rushing yards for a QB. Yes, that number is concrete but how do you judge a QB by rushing yards? I do not have to respect the guy for what he did on the field, I'm not like the rest of the Kool Aid drinkers (That is not at you) and fall for the hype.

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Well if you can't see the big picture than i don't know what to say. Rushing yards for a qb is their ability to recognize when the play is broken down and make a move. The ability to extend the play. To many qb's in the nfl on 3rd an short will sit in the pocket and throw the ball away, instead of making a move when they can. It happens quite a bit. I'm not talking about designated running plays for the qb either. JM has excelent foot movement to cause miss tackles while he is scrambling.

Not a fanboy. Just not gonna say such and such is gonna be terrible cause i have a biased opinion. Apparently Aj mccarran still waiting to get picked. You would think he would have gotten picked by now if he is as great as you say. But I guess the gm's and scouts aren't a full believer. He definetly a steal at this point i guess but hat teams need a qb at this time.

On another note looks like JM lost his best target to drugs. What an idiot!!!

JBNj said:

Well if you can't see the big picture than i don't know what to say. Rushing yards for a qb is their ability to recognize when the play is broken down and make a move. The ability to extend the play. To many qb's in the nfl on 3rd an short will sit in the pocket and throw the ball away, instead of making a move when they can. It happens quite a bit. I'm not talking about designated running plays for the qb either. JM has excelent foot movement to cause miss tackles while he is scrambling.

Not a fanboy. Just not gonna say such and such is gonna be terrible cause i have a biased opinion. Apparently Aj mccarran still waiting to get picked. You would think he would have gotten picked by now if he is as great as you say. But I guess the gm's and scouts aren't a full believer. He definetly a steal at this point i guess but hat teams need a qb at this time.

On another note looks like JM lost his best target to drugs. What an idiot!!!

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No, the fact is I know the big picture as I am very familiar with it. Did you read all the posts in this thread? Let's talk about the "big picture". If you look at the current NFL QB who have won a super bowl, how many are "scrambling" QBs? Peyton Manning, who many argue is the best NFL QB to play the game is a horrible runner. The QBs who scramble, are QBs that many argue, leave the pocket too early to make the throws. Cam Newton hasn't even been close yet. Look at Tebow. A great scrambling QB in college, sucked ass in the NFL. At this point we haven't even addressed JM's size. Let's be honest, he's tiny. He's 5'10" MAX and maybe 180 (I know what the programs say, I also know those numbers are exaggerated). He will get CRUSHED by guys literally nearly twice his weight and nearly as fast.

AJ just got picked in the 5th round by the Bengals. Apparently the scouts did not like his arm and felt he was surrounded by greatness which exacerbated his greatness. Just like with Johnny Felony, only time will tell. But comparing the two my money would be on McCarron succeeding in the NFL. After all there are many Superbowl winners that went very low in their respective drafts.

As said above Hand size like other body parts is critical....for NFL , I mean... small hands, can't grip/throw in the cold.

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As said above Hand size like other body parts is critical....for NFL , I mean... small hands, can't grip/throw in the cold.

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Tell that to Donovan mcnabb. And by the way Johnny football has bigger hands than the other top qb's in the draft if i recall. Doug flutie was small he didn't do bad, not great but there is more to the picture of a qb's success.

Thankfully Trent got out of there!

Who's to know if this brand of QB will translate well in the NFL (think Russell Wilson). My concerns were I recruiting J-football would be his commitment
to playing vs. the lifestyle which he seems to excel at. I think a team is taking a big chance on any non-prototypical pro QB-This is a league where big-bodied passers
are the norm, not the cut and run college signal caller. An NFL defense is quantum leaps above anything these guys will ever experience at the college level.

And he did so much in Indy.

KYS said:

Thankfully Trent got out of there!

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I guess I could see Johnny making things happen with his mobility in a Fran Tarkenton or possibly even Brett Farve kind of way. As always, time will tell. Personally I think Johnny's attitude and lifestyle will likely be his undoing. The whole thing should be fun to watch!

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Manning lost the Heisman in 97 because an SEC QB won it the year before. He was the best player that year but Big 10 hype won out. The only knock on Manning's college career was 0 for 3 1/2 against Spurrier and UF. I say 3 1/2 instead of 4 because he came in relief of an injured Todd Helton against UF in a 31-0 whooping at Rocky Top his freshman year.


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I look forward to Manziel's epic NFL crash and burn. I thoroughly enjoyed telling all the Tebow fans "I told you so" and I actually like Tebow as a person... Watching that douche nozzle, Manziel, pack his bags will be quite the treat!


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Tebow's biggest problem is the media circus that follows him.


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col_kurtz said:

Tebow's biggest problem is the media circus that follows him.


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FollowED him. Tebow is an announcer for the SEC network now.

It's "Johnny Cleveland" now, so all you Johnny-haters can just get over it.

I can't wait for him to SHRED the Steeler secondary like a block of soft, milky-white Brie cheese.

He'll do it faster than Michael Sams can give his Italian boyman a tongue-kiss on national t.v.

Yep, can't wait for Sept.

steppenwolf said:

It's "Johnny Cleveland-Steamer" now, so all you Johnny-haters can just get over it.

I can't wait for him to get shreaded by the Steeler secondary like a block of soft, milky-white Brie cheese.

He'll do it faster than Michael Sams can give his Italian boyman a tongue-kiss on national t.v.

Yep, can't wait for Sept.

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There, fixed it for you.

Mike said:

There, fixed it for you.

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Why such a deep hatred for the guy? He is against all odds. I like a good underdog. Let's see what the young guy got. His off the field antics in college is past him. If he turns into a mental case I'll eat crow.

JBNj said:

Why such a deep hatred for the guy? He is against all odds. I like a good underdog. Let's see what the young guy got. His off the field antics in college is past him. If he turns into a mental case I'll eat crow.

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Against all odds? He's a spoiled douchebag and his daddy bought his way into A&M. Everything about him is dirty IMO. Did you see what he did when he went up on stage at the draft? Prime example. His off field antics aren't past him, they're just getting started fueled by the new money he's getting. I doubt he'll make an entire year, but I give him 3 before he's broke selling cars.

He can't throw, execute a play, or take advice. His entire college career was composed of failed plays, running around like a headless chicken, throwing the ball into a giant huddle of coverage, and throwing to a talented receiver that towered over those covering him.

How he was able to complete so many of those Hail Mary throws that resulted from failed plays is beyond me. He had some very talented receivers that miraculously kept his interceptions much lower than they should have been. He is great at reading the field (as a runner). His running game was helped by a large amount of missed holding calls. His offensive line was pretty good at getting away with holding as were a few other teams this season. Long story short, Manziel was successful because the A&M offense was so unorthodox. It thrived on failed plays and it took defenses a while to figure out how to defend it as oppose to normal play. None of that will exist in the NFL. He is going to have to throw the ball to receivers that are guarded by equally talented defenders. He isn't very good at that. He is going to have to run plays that are called. He isn't very good at that. If he tries that scrambling shit in the NFL, he is going to spend more time recovering than playing. IF he weren't such an arrogant little bitch, he could be developed into a mediocre quarterback. The chances of that are pretty slim. Maybe the linebackers can learn him some humility... I doubt it though.


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It's "Johnny Cleveland-Steamer"

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He can't throw, execute a play, or take advice. His entire college career was composed of failed plays, running around like a headless chicken, throwing the ball into a giant huddle of coverage, and throwing to a talented receiver that towered over those covering him.

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C'mon, show some respect.

Johnny's got the quickest release since Marino and, probably, Namath if you add in old-school QBs, and he's plenty accurate by NFL standards.

He's quick on the scamper, can do that Tarkenton-style jig away from lineman & linebackers, which always opens up passing lanes on the fly, and he ran a great time in the 40yd dash at the Combines.

Johnny brings the package - end of story. And so what if he showed some swagger on Draft night? He had a right to. He owned the house.

Besides, I've seen worse behavior at the Oscars and during MMA introductions.

C'mon, dudes let's get serious ...

steppenwolf said:

C'mon, show some respect.

Johnny's got the quickest release since Marino and, probably, Namath if you add in old-school QBs, and he's plenty accurate by NFL standards.

He's quick on the scamper, can do that Tarkenton-style jig away from lineman & linebackers, which always opens up passing lanes on the fly, and he ran a great time in the 40yd dash at the Combines.

Johnny brings the package - end of story. And so what if he showed some swagger on Draft night? He had a right to. He owned the house.

Besides, I've seen worse behavior at the Oscars and during MMA introductions.

C'mon, dudes let's get serious ...

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Comparing Johnny to Dan Marino? Really?

Johnny's problem(s) aren't his arms or legs. They're between his ears. Check out this display of maturity and potential NFL leadership http://www.tmz.com/2014/05/09/johnny-manziel-champagne-fights-hot-chicks-post-draft-party/

steppenwolf said:

C'mon, show some respect.

Johnny's got the quickest release since Marino and, probably, Namath if you add in old-school QBs, and he's plenty accurate by NFL standards.

He's quick on the scamper, can do that Tarkenton-style jig away from lineman & linebackers, which always opens up passing lanes on the fly, and he ran a great time in the 40yd dash at the Combines.

Johnny brings the package - end of story. And so what if he showed some swagger on Draft night? He had a right to. He owned the house.

Besides, I've seen worse behavior at the Oscars and during MMA introductions.

C'mon, dudes let's get serious ...

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You need to get his balls out of your mouth.

Comparing him to established greats that put their money where their mouth is shows you you don't know what you're talking about.

Got a dose of reality for you too. Those linemen and linebackers in the NFL can run just as fast as he can; and there are a lot more of them than him.

What does his 40 yard dash times mean? I'll take Peyton Manning's slow ass over Johnny.

He had the right to show swagger? He was embarrassed. Mr. "Should go #1 or #2" didn't go until 22 and even then, he wasn't even the first QB taken. You know why? Everyone knows his baggage and his lack of skill. I've seen worse behaviors at the Oscars and MMA? That's like saying I've seen shit that smelled better than other shit. It's still shit.

I can't blame him at all for partying like a rockstar. Used car salesmen don't get to party like that. Take it when you can get it!


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He's going to be the next Ryan Leaf

He's going to be the next Ryan Leaf

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The odds are way against that, but at least Ryan Leaf got a chance to show what he could - or couldn't - do.
None of the Chuckleheads on this thread want to give Johnny Cleveland a fair shot.

Well, soon enough, they're all going to be getting a dose of "Johnny-jaw." That's what they call that look he has that's somewhere between a smile and an arrogant smirk, accented by his jaw-line.

All last season defensive linemen, linebackers & cornerbacks were getting the Johnny-jaw. That's where, after dancing past them into the endzone, he comes right up, gets facemask-to-facemask, eyeballs 'em and gives 'em the Johnny-jaw.

He doesn't say a word, and since he's standing in the endzone, he doesn't have to.
They're all standing there, squealing like bitches and wondering WTF just happened? - and then, WHAM!, Johnny leans his mask into theirs and they get Johnny-jawed.

Yep, can't wait to see him Johnny-jaw Troy Polamalu or Ryan Shazier.

I can't blame him at all for partying like a rockstar. Used car salesmen don't get to party like that.

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Dude, that's because Johnny is a rockstar, ... and about midway through the season all the Johnny-bashers will be sending him letters of apology, c/o Browns' HQ.

Looks like they came from the same litter eh? Family resemblance is easy to spot.

HAHAHA
If you think playing in ANY college conference compares to the NFL you're more stupid than I give you credit for. Polamalu will tear off his head and shit down his neck. That pimple faced chronic masterbater wont know what hit him when he picks his "johnny jaw" up off the ground. Tell me who's going to carry the booster seat out to the pocket so he can see over his O-line? Oh, never mind, he probably wont even step on the field.

Mike said:

You need to get his balls out of your mouth.

Comparing him to established greats that put their money where their mouth is shows you you don't know what you're talking about.

Got a dose of reality for you too. Those linemen and linebackers in the NFL can run just as fast as he can; and there are a lot more of them than him.

What does his 40 yard dash times mean? I'll take Peyton Manning's slow ass over Johnny.

He had the right to show swagger? He was embarrassed. Mr. "Should go #1 or #2" didn't go until 22 and even then, he wasn't even the first QB taken. You know why? Everyone knows his baggage and his lack of skill. I've seen worse behaviors at the Oscars and MMA? That's like saying I've seen shit that smelled better than other shit. It's still shit.

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aaron rogers scrambles pretty good. jay cutler doesnt. look at how hard on those guys the Defensive backs are. Johnny is in for a wake up call. Whether he is fast or not, he is in for a big time wake up.

-Paulus

Here's what it's going to look like against, say, Detroit:

Tools & Fools: a Tider gets an in-your-face stiff arm.




Then, after dancing into the endzone, he'll give Ndamukong Suh some of that "Johnny Jaw."

"Just tooled you. Kiss this."

DT1, that page of the family photo album just cracked me the fuck up!!!! How many chromosomes do you need to pull off that "Johnny Jaw"?


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Here's how they will announce Johnny Nobody in his first game. We've seen it before. "ANOTHER interception from Man-sit and now he's on the ground crying after a whiff tackle"



Then after the game the same thing will happen "Go away boy, you're trying to play a man's game. BTW, here's some Clearacil, hide your face in shame."




Then at next week's practice the coach will say

Well Mike,I think your wrong but if your right there is always........



NEW YORK (AP) -- Just call him Johnny Baseball.

Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was selected by the San Diego Padres in the 28th round of the Major League Baseball draft Saturday - the 837th player taken. Manziel was listed as a shortstop for Texas A&M, although he never played for the Aggies as he focused on football.

Manziel, the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy in 2012, was taken by the Browns with the 22nd overall pick in the NFL draft last month.

''Big thank you to the (at)Padres and (at)padresmikedee for selecting me in the MLB draft,'' Manziel wrote on his Twitter page. ''What a great day!''

Dee, the Padres' president and CEO, tweeted back: ''Best athlete on the board... (hash)JohnnyBaseball.''

Manziel played baseball and football at Tivy High School in Kerrville, Texas, and asked Texas A&M coaches about being part of the baseball team before winning the Aggies' starting quarterback job as a redshirt freshman.

Earlier this week, Manziel - decked out in an Indians jersey - was set to throw out the first pitch in Cleveland before the Indians played Boston. His toss was washed out by rain that delayed the start.

But, in May 2013, Manziel took batting practice with the Padres at Petco Park and tossed out a football-style first pitch as he dropped back, scrambled to the side of the mound and floated a bootleg ''pass'' to San Diego outfielder Mark Kotsay, who caught it behind his back with his glove.

On Manziel's first swing in batting practice, the bat flew out of his hands, but he settled down and later drove a pitch off the right-field wall.

There's a couple of thoughts on this. First, HE ASKED the baseball coaches if he could play. Doesn't bode well for his playing abilities. Everyone plays sports in HS, doesn't mean he's good. Second, baseball in general has (at least) 4 levels below the big leagues. Being signed by the Padres doesn't mean he's going to San Diego. Finally, if he's not Johnny Football, he never even gets close. Padres are playing the PR card (and who can blame him) but he's got even less of a chance of playing baseball as he does staying in the NFL.

So now he's the next Bo Jackson...

The NFL quarterback is changing again. You have to be able to move now to extend plays and extended drives if your not a top 5 pocket passer. Will JM succeed? I say it's 50-50 but the 50 that could succeed has the highest ceiling out of any qb in the draft( I like Bortles and Carr more before the draft).
Look at the success of the younger mobile qb's in today's game and you would be hard pressed to say that rush yards don't matter. As in Wilson, Luck, Kapernick, and Newton all of which went to the playoffs.

I actually think Johnny Football is a baller. My concern is the mentality, not conducive to greatness over the longterm. But then again, if you actually think Tom Brady is truly a humble guy you're naive.

Fredo0621 said:

The NFL quarterback is changing again.
You have to be able to move now to extend plays and extended drives if your not a top 5 pocket passer. Will JM succeed? I say it's 50-50 but the 50% that could succeed has the highest ceiling out of any qb in the draft. * * * Look at the success of the younger mobile qb's in today's game and you would be hard pressed to say that rush yards don't matter. As in Wilson, Luck, Kapernick, and Newton all of which went to the playoffs.

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Agree with Fredo.

Johnny-Cleveland's quick feet give him mobility in the pocket, or for getting outside of it, and then dashing down the field if he needs to.

Those are the sorts of moves that have guys watching from the stands, like SuperMod Mike, dropping their jaws in awe.
Plus, Johnny eyeballs the field well, doesn't telegraph his throws, and has the quickest release in this draft of QBs.

C'mon, let's get serious.

This fall, when Johnny's standing in the endzone giving some yahoo saftey a little Johnny-jaw, that dude will know he's just a trespasser.
Why? ... 'Cause Johnny owns that particular piece of real estate, that's why.

Yep, NFL secondaries are now just tools for Johnny - his tools for touchdowns.

^^^^LOL

It ain't the fall that kills ya. It's the sudden stop at the end. Johnny is gonna dash just fine. It certainly ain't the dash that is a problem. It's what happens after the dash that will be the issue. A Ferrari will always win a race against a Locomotive on a circle track... Until they are on the same track. I'll be back with more metaphors, analogies, and encouraging words in a couple of weeks


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athhud said:

It ain't the fall that kills ya. It's the sudden stop at the end. Johnny is gonna dash just fine. It certainly ain't the dash that is a problem. It's what happens after the dash that will be the issue. A Ferrari will always win a race against a Locomotive on a circle track... Until they are on the same track.

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Seriously, dude? Does any of that make the least bit of sense, ... even when you're shitfaced? 'Cause it makes no sense sober.

I'll be back with more metaphors, analogies, and encouraging words in a couple of weeks

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Thanks for the warning. I'm sure Johnny will be all a-tingle with anticipation.

Back from a long hiatus. Can anyone update me on Johnny Football’s current status?

Selling cars?

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Back from a long hiatus. Can anyone update me on Johnny Football’s current status?

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Sure, it happened exactly as was foretold:

steppenwolf said:

Agree with Fredo.

Johnny-Cleveland's quick feet give him mobility in the pocket, or for getting outside of it, and then dashing down the field if he needs to.

Those are the sorts of moves that have guys watching from the stands, like SuperMod Mike, dropping their jaws in awe.
Plus, Johnny eyeballs the field well, doesn't telegraph his throws, and has the quickest release in this draft of QBs.

C'mon, let's get serious.

This fall, when Johnny's standing in the endzone giving some yahoo saftey a little Johnny-jaw, that dude will know he's just a trespasser.
Why? ... 'Cause Johnny owns that particular piece of real estate, that's why.

Yep, NFL secondaries are now just tools for Johnny - his tools for touchdowns.

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Wait, I think I made a mistake... Who was she, again?

athhud said:

Back from a long hiatus. Can anyone update me on Johnny Football’s current status?

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Playing 7 on 7 football against St Agnes School for the Deaf and Blind, working on being a... professional golfer...

So no “Johnny jawing” in the end zone?

I did hear Tebow was going pro again. . .

athhud said:

So no “Johnny jawing” in the end zone?

I did hear Tebow was going pro again. . .

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I take it that johnny rejected all of your advances and this is you getting back at him? Either way, welcome back. What? Like seven years since you were here?

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Back from a long hiatus. Can anyone update me on Johnny Football’s current status?

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Why?

Seriously?

WTF........a six year old thread about a wanna be NFL player who wasn't worth a fuck..........