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1:9 or 1:12 twist for 22-250 50-60 grain factory loads

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All things being equal, stainless 26” heavy barrels chambered in 22-250

Assuming I will only be using factory loads between 50-60 grains which twist rate would be more accurate from 100-600 yards. Or would the 1:9 just be too much for the lighter factory loads.

I will not be reloading to see the benefit of high BC bullets so please base your comments on factory ammunition.
 
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Some 60+ grn bullets can stabilize in a 1-12.
1-9 you can be sure they'll stabilize.
 
What about 50-55 in a 1:9.

They'll be just fine.

55's stabilize out of a 1:9 in a .223 all day. Yet people insist on shooting them out of 1:7.


Go to Berger's website and play with the bullet stability calculator.
 
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I have found the 1/12 twist fine in the weight range you are planning on.
If you go faster you will gain the advantage of being able to shoot heavier bullets later if you choose to do so. You will get more rapid expansion due to rotational velocity and the subsequent stresses it places on the bullet jacket.
Your best accuracy will likely come from the 1/12 twist.
 
Even in a 22-250?
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thank you,

I guess I will stick with the Savage VLP DBM.

I have found the 1/12 twist fine in the weight range you are planning on.
If you go faster you will gain the advantage of being able to shoot heavier bullets later if you choose to do so. You will get more rapid expansion due to rotational velocity and the subsequent stresses it places on the bullet jacket.
Your best accuracy will likely come from the 1/12 twist.
 
Even in a 22-250?
MV x (12/twist rate in inches) x 60 = Bullet RPM

Quick Version: MV X 720/Twist Rate = RPM


As you can see velocity is a large player in the RPM game. Too many RPMs and the bullet jacket cant hold itself together and you get bullets that blow up in flight. But making the twist faster also has its equal part in the game. Its a combination of factors to consider.



Lets say that the hottest rounds I can find on brownells for your lightest given weight range, a 50 grain superperformance vmax, is flying 4,000 fps according to the brownells item description.
4,000x720/9=320,000 rpm Yeah, its getting up there but people do it every day.

Thats with the lightest bullet in your provided range at its fastest, so basically a worst case scenario as far as RPM goes.
At a more gentle 12 twist we get 4,000x720/12=240,000 rpm which is very comfortable.





So with that we come to our next consideration, how they will stabilize?




A 50 grain superperformance vmax is .772" long according to jbms length library, you get the following stability results via jbm and berger

9 twist
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Lets make it a 12 twist with that 50 grain vmax
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At 4,000 fps a 13 twist it goes unstable and at 10.6 twist it hits the 1.5 stability factor.
That is with the superperformance velocities, a 12 twist will work fine but wont be ideally stable.

If you find a slower loading with the same bullet it will of course be lower rpm and less likely to experience jacket failure but it would also be that much less stable. You would have to go all the way down to 2500 fps though before the 12 twist becomes unstable with a 50. So youre not standing on the edge or anything with a 50 grain and a 12 twist.





Going with a heavier bullet will only exasperate the stability issue in a slower twist barrel but the heavier bullet will also be going slower for less rpms and less likely hood of jacket failure.


Hornady 55vmax varmint express goes 3,275 by item description and is .811 long

9 Twist
3275x720/9=262,000 very comfortable
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12 Twist
3275x720/12=196,500
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12 Twist with a not overcharged superperformace loading under the 55 grain is on the edge of unstable, jbm says barely stable, berger barely not stable. A 60 gr would be worse. If you want to shoot the 50-60 grain then 9 twist is what you want.

If you wanted the lighter 30-50 grain bullets then a 12 would be more appropriate.
Looking at the 35 grain super performance thats going 4,450 fps.
4,450*720/9=356,000 and will almost certainly give you issues. In this situation the 12 twist you give you a much better 267,000 fps. But those little bullets only stay fast for a very short distance before petering out and then get blown all over with the wind.
 
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MV x (12/twist rate in inches) x 60 = Bullet RPM

Quick Version: MV X 720/Twist Rate = RPM


As you can see velocity is a large player in the RPM game. Too many RPMs and the bullet jacket cant hold itself together and you get bullets that blow up in flight. But making the twist faster also has its equal part in the game. Its a combination of factors to consider.



Lets say that the hottest rounds I can find on brownells for your lightest given weight range, a 50 grain superperformance vmax, is flying 4,000 fps according to the brownells item description.
4,000x720/9=320,000 rpm Yeah, its getting up there but people do it every day.

Thats with the lightest bullet in your provided range at its fastest, so basically a worst case scenario as far as RPM goes.
At a more gentle 12 twist we get 4,000x720/12=240,000 rpm which is very comfortable.





So with that we come to our next consideration, how they will stabilize?




A 50 grain superperformance vmax is .772" long according to jbms length library, you get the following stability results via jbm and berger

9 twist
View attachment 7169325
View attachment 7169326



Lets make it a 12 twist with that 50 grain vmax
View attachment 7169327
View attachment 7169329



At 4,000 fps a 13 twist it goes unstable and at 10.6 twist it hits the 1.5 stability factor.
That is with the superperformance velocities, a 12 twist will work fine but wont be ideally stable.

If you find a slower loading with the same bullet it will of course be lower rpm and less likely to experience jacket failure but it would also be that much less stable. You would have to go all the way down to 2500 fps though before the 12 twist becomes unstable with a 50. So youre not standing on the edge or anything with a 50 grain and a 12 twist.





Going with a heavier bullet will only exasperate the stability issue in a slower twist barrel but the heavier bullet will also be going slower for less rpms and less likely hood of jacket failure.


Hornady 55vmax varmint express goes 3,275 by item description and is .811 long

9 Twist
3275x720/9=262,000 very comfortable
View attachment 7169395
View attachment 7169430

12 Twist
3275x720/12=196,500
View attachment 7169431
View attachment 7169432


12 Twist with a not overcharged superperformace loading under the 55 grain is on the edge of unstable, jbm says barely stable, berger barely not stable. A 60 gr would be worse. If you want to shoot the 50-60 grain then 9 twist is what you want.

If you wanted the lighter 30-50 grain bullets then a 12 would be more appropriate.
Looking at the 35 grain super performance thats going 4,450 fps.
4,450*720/9=356,000 and will almost certainly give you issues. In this situation the 12 twist you give you a much better 267,000 fps. But those little bullets only stay fast for a very short distance before petering out and then get blown all over with the wind.
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MV x (12/twist rate in inches) x 60 = Bullet RPM

Quick Version: MV X 720/Twist Rate = RPM


As you can see velocity is a large player in the RPM game. Too many RPMs and the bullet jacket cant hold itself together and you get bullets that blow up in flight. But making the twist faster also has its equal part in the game. Its a combination of factors to consider.



Lets say that the hottest rounds I can find on brownells for your lightest given weight range, a 50 grain superperformance vmax, is flying 4,000 fps according to the brownells item description.
4,000x720/9=320,000 rpm Yeah, its getting up there but people do it every day.

Thats with the lightest bullet in your provided range at its fastest, so basically a worst case scenario as far as RPM goes.
At a more gentle 12 twist we get 4,000x720/12=240,000 rpm which is very comfortable.





So with that we come to our next consideration, how they will stabilize?




A 50 grain superperformance vmax is .772" long according to jbms length library, you get the following stability results via jbm and berger

9 twist
View attachment 7169325
View attachment 7169326



Lets make it a 12 twist with that 50 grain vmax
View attachment 7169327
View attachment 7169329



At 4,000 fps a 13 twist it goes unstable and at 10.6 twist it hits the 1.5 stability factor.
That is with the superperformance velocities, a 12 twist will work fine but wont be ideally stable.

If you find a slower loading with the same bullet it will of course be lower rpm and less likely to experience jacket failure but it would also be that much less stable. You would have to go all the way down to 2500 fps though before the 12 twist becomes unstable with a 50. So youre not standing on the edge or anything with a 50 grain and a 12 twist.





Going with a heavier bullet will only exasperate the stability issue in a slower twist barrel but the heavier bullet will also be going slower for less rpms and less likely hood of jacket failure.


Hornady 55vmax varmint express goes 3,275 by item description and is .811 long

9 Twist
3275x720/9=262,000 very comfortable
View attachment 7169395
View attachment 7169430

12 Twist
3275x720/12=196,500
View attachment 7169431
View attachment 7169432


12 Twist with a not overcharged superperformace loading under the 55 grain is on the edge of unstable, jbm says barely stable, berger barely not stable. A 60 gr would be worse. If you want to shoot the 50-60 grain then 9 twist is what you want.

If you wanted the lighter 30-50 grain bullets then a 12 would be more appropriate.
Looking at the 35 grain super performance thats going 4,450 fps.
4,450*720/9=356,000 and will almost certainly give you issues. In this situation the 12 twist you give you a much better

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MV x (12/twist rate in inches) x 60 = Bullet RPM

Quick Version: MV X 720/Twist Rate = RPM


As you can see velocity is a large player in the RPM game. Too many RPMs and the bullet jacket cant hold itself together and you get bullets that blow up in flight. But making the twist faster also has its equal part in the game. Its a combination of factors to consider.



Lets say that the hottest rounds I can find on brownells for your lightest given weight range, a 50 grain superperformance vmax, is flying 4,000 fps according to the brownells item description.
4,000x720/9=320,000 rpm Yeah, its getting up there but people do it every day.

Thats with the lightest bullet in your provided range at its fastest, so basically a worst case scenario as far as RPM goes.
At a more gentle 12 twist we get 4,000x720/12=240,000 rpm which is very comfortable.





So with that we come to our next consideration, how they will stabilize?




A 50 grain superperformance vmax is .772" long according to jbms length library, you get the following stability results via jbm and berger

9 twist
View attachment 7169325
View attachment 7169326



Lets make it a 12 twist with that 50 grain vmax
View attachment 7169327
View attachment 7169329



At 4,000 fps a 13 twist it goes unstable and at 10.6 twist it hits the 1.5 stability factor.
That is with the superperformance velocities, a 12 twist will work fine but wont be ideally stable.

If you find a slower loading with the same bullet it will of course be lower rpm and less likely to experience jacket failure but it would also be that much less stable. You would have to go all the way down to 2500 fps though before the 12 twist becomes unstable with a 50. So youre not standing on the edge or anything with a 50 grain and a 12 twist.





Going with a heavier bullet will only exasperate the stability issue in a slower twist barrel but the heavier bullet will also be going slower for less rpms and less likely hood of jacket failure.


Hornady 55vmax varmint express goes 3,275 by item description and is .811 long

9 Twist
3275x720/9=262,000 very comfortable
View attachment 7169395
View attachment 7169430

12 Twist
3275x720/12=196,500
View attachment 7169431
View attachment 7169432


12 Twist with a not overcharged superperformace loading under the 55 grain is on the edge of unstable, jbm says barely stable, berger barely not stable. A 60 gr would be worse. If you want to shoot the 50-60 grain then 9 twist is what you want.

If you wanted the lighter 30-50 grain bullets then a 12 would be more appropriate.
Looking at the 35 grain super performance thats going 4,450 fps.
4,450*720/9=356,000 and will almost certainly give you issues. In this situation the 12 twist you give you a much better 267,000 fps. But those little bullets only stay fast for a very short distance before petering out and then get blown all over with the wind.

Thank you very much! That was very descriptive and gave me faith in a 1:9 being a good choice.
 
What could I expect for barrel life if shooting through a 26” heavy barrel like that of a Bergara premiere HMR pro?

MV x (12/twist rate in inches) x 60 = Bullet RPM

Quick Version: MV X 720/Twist Rate = RPM


As you can see velocity is a large player in the RPM game. Too many RPMs and the bullet jacket cant hold itself together and you get bullets that blow up in flight. But making the twist faster also has its equal part in the game. Its a combination of factors to consider.



Lets say that the hottest rounds I can find on brownells for your lightest given weight range, a 50 grain superperformance vmax, is flying 4,000 fps according to the brownells item description.
4,000x720/9=320,000 rpm Yeah, its getting up there but people do it every day.

Thats with the lightest bullet in your provided range at its fastest, so basically a worst case scenario as far as RPM goes.
At a more gentle 12 twist we get 4,000x720/12=240,000 rpm which is very comfortable.





So with that we come to our next consideration, how they will stabilize?




A 50 grain superperformance vmax is .772" long according to jbms length library, you get the following stability results via jbm and berger

9 twist
View attachment 7169325
View attachment 7169326



Lets make it a 12 twist with that 50 grain vmax
View attachment 7169327
View attachment 7169329



At 4,000 fps a 13 twist it goes unstable and at 10.6 twist it hits the 1.5 stability factor.
That is with the superperformance velocities, a 12 twist will work fine but wont be ideally stable.

If you find a slower loading with the same bullet it will of course be lower rpm and less likely to experience jacket failure but it would also be that much less stable. You would have to go all the way down to 2500 fps though before the 12 twist becomes unstable with a 50. So youre not standing on the edge or anything with a 50 grain and a 12 twist.





Going with a heavier bullet will only exasperate the stability issue in a slower twist barrel but the heavier bullet will also be going slower for less rpms and less likely hood of jacket failure.


Hornady 55vmax varmint express goes 3,275 by item description and is .811 long

9 Twist
3275x720/9=262,000 very comfortable
View attachment 7169395
View attachment 7169430

12 Twist
3275x720/12=196,500
View attachment 7169431
View attachment 7169432


12 Twist with a not overcharged superperformace loading under the 55 grain is on the edge of unstable, jbm says barely stable, berger barely not stable. A 60 gr would be worse. If you want to shoot the 50-60 grain then 9 twist is what you want.

If you wanted the lighter 30-50 grain bullets then a 12 would be more appropriate.
Looking at the 35 grain super performance thats going 4,450 fps.
4,450*720/9=356,000 and will almost certainly give you issues. In this situation the 12 twist you give you a much better 267,000 fps. But those little bullets only stay fast for a very short distance before petering out and then get blown all over with the wind.
 
Thank you! That’s acceptable, I plan to mostly shoot in the wonder over snow, and take my time and target shoot. When it’s for coyote, it will hopefully just be a one shot kinda deal. We don’t get them in packs so much where I live, just one every now and then.

Thats going to be pretty variable, slow shooting and you might get 2k rounds out of it, sit over a hot prairie dog town all day and it might be done by 1200.
 
The 22-250's I've tinkered with that had a 1-12 or 1-14 loved a 40 gr but opened up with heaver pills. If it were I I'd do a 1-9 but only if your sticking with jacketed pills. If your casting an the hardness is less than 32-34B I'd stick with a 1-10 or a 1-12.
 
I’d just be using factory ammunition preferably around the 55 grain mark.

thanks for that.

so basically, a 1:9 twist is ideal is what the bulk of you are saying. Thank you for your responses everyone.



The 22-250's I've tinkered with that had a 1-12 or 1-14 loved a 40 gr but opened up with heaver pills. If it were I I'd do a 1-9 but only if your sticking with jacketed pills. If your casting an the hardness is less than 32-34B I'd stick with a 1-10 or a 1-12.