1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
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Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
That was pretty funny...
Seriously though... depends on your elevation.
Lowlight is getting about 2750fps out of the SH test rifle. That will get you to 1400 supersonic @ 1600ft above sea level.
That was pretty funny...
Seriously though... depends on your elevation.
Lowlight is getting about 2750fps out of the SH test rifle. That will get you to 1400 supersonic @ 1600ft above sea level.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">about 24" depending on the stock and how you hold it. </div></div>
lol fitting answer . i wonder if he ? is talking about factory ammo ?if so which one ? if not which bullet for reloading . . .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">about 24" depending on the stock and how you hold it. </div></div>
lol fitting answer . i wonder if he ? is talking about factory ammo ?if so which one ? if not which bullet for reloading . . .
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
...I was pretty much talking whatever ammo...
...thanks for the info, and the chuckles...
...I <span style="font-style: italic">thought</span> the little 6.5's were good for 1500 yards or so...
...but I guess I'll need a longer barrel if I want more than 2 feet of reach...
...I was pretty much talking whatever ammo...
...thanks for the info, and the chuckles...
...I <span style="font-style: italic">thought</span> the little 6.5's were good for 1500 yards or so...
...but I guess I'll need a longer barrel if I want more than 2 feet of reach...
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
If you go with a 26-28" barrel you should be able to reach 1500 supersonic depending on elevation.
You just need to get the bullet (140 grains) up to 2850-2900fps.
If you go with a 26-28" barrel you should be able to reach 1500 supersonic depending on elevation.
You just need to get the bullet (140 grains) up to 2850-2900fps.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
I love my 6.5 Creedmoor but I wouldn't call it or the .260 a 1500 yard round. You are really stretching it's outer limits. You want 1500 yards reliably then get a magnum.
I love my 6.5 Creedmoor but I wouldn't call it or the .260 a 1500 yard round. You are really stretching it's outer limits. You want 1500 yards reliably then get a magnum.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love my 6.5 Creedmoor but I wouldn't call it or the .260 a 1500 yard round. You are really stretching it's outer limits. You want 1500 yards reliably then get a magnum. </div></div>
Especially with an 18" barrel.
If you want consistent hits, get a magnum or wsm. Just because it's supersonic doesn't mean you can hit consistently with it.
Rob, what's the farthest you've stretched your creedmoor?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love my 6.5 Creedmoor but I wouldn't call it or the .260 a 1500 yard round. You are really stretching it's outer limits. You want 1500 yards reliably then get a magnum. </div></div>
Especially with an 18" barrel.
If you want consistent hits, get a magnum or wsm. Just because it's supersonic doesn't mean you can hit consistently with it.
Rob, what's the farthest you've stretched your creedmoor?
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OutRider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I was pretty much talking whatever ammo...</div></div>
I normally don't answer these kind of questions, because they are kind of pointless. It doesn't make any sense to me to ask how far something can reach, and then say with "whatever ammo". The ammunition and bullet make all the difference on how far a round can travel accurately. And at anything over 1K, it better be very accurate ammo with low ES velocities to hit anything.
To answer your question, my 260 Rem with a 140 VLD with a 28" barrel (top of the line bullet with a high BC) is good to about 1400 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OutRider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I was pretty much talking whatever ammo...</div></div>
I normally don't answer these kind of questions, because they are kind of pointless. It doesn't make any sense to me to ask how far something can reach, and then say with "whatever ammo". The ammunition and bullet make all the difference on how far a round can travel accurately. And at anything over 1K, it better be very accurate ammo with low ES velocities to hit anything.
To answer your question, my 260 Rem with a 140 VLD with a 28" barrel (top of the line bullet with a high BC) is good to about 1400 yards.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
The shooter is the biggest part of the question, and in all reality if the shooter's up to it, they probably wouldn't be asking the question.....
The shooter is the biggest part of the question, and in all reality if the shooter's up to it, they probably wouldn't be asking the question.....
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
I have only shot mine to 1000 so far as it's the farthest any match I have shot it at has offered. I would call it a solid 1200 yard round at sea level with the right load but 1500 is pushing it. You need to use the right tool for the job.
I also have a 28" barrel on my rifle.
I have only shot mine to 1000 so far as it's the farthest any match I have shot it at has offered. I would call it a solid 1200 yard round at sea level with the right load but 1500 is pushing it. You need to use the right tool for the job.
I also have a 28" barrel on my rifle.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
...thanks for the input...
...I understand the fact that 1500 yds would be stretching things a bit...
...having seen where it was claimed that the .260 was "cheating" at 1000 yds compared to the .308 had me wondering what the .308 based 6.5's were good for in terms of maximum effective range...
...I certainly wouldn't expect them to reach out to a mile effectivly, but had thought that 1500yds should be acheivable with the right loads under favorable conditions...maybe if some one devloped a .260AI...???...
...from what I have just read here, I am ASSumeing that the 6.5x.284 could pull it off...???...
...I will concentrate on getting out to 1000 yds before I waste too much thought on the matter...at this point my actual experience has been limited to 500 yards or less...
...it's just that a recent commitment has sharpened my interest and piqued my curiosity as to the ELR potential of the 6.5CM and similar rounds...
...thanks for the input...
...I understand the fact that 1500 yds would be stretching things a bit...
...having seen where it was claimed that the .260 was "cheating" at 1000 yds compared to the .308 had me wondering what the .308 based 6.5's were good for in terms of maximum effective range...
...I certainly wouldn't expect them to reach out to a mile effectivly, but had thought that 1500yds should be acheivable with the right loads under favorable conditions...maybe if some one devloped a .260AI...???...
...from what I have just read here, I am ASSumeing that the 6.5x.284 could pull it off...???...
...I will concentrate on getting out to 1000 yds before I waste too much thought on the matter...at this point my actual experience has been limited to 500 yards or less...
...it's just that a recent commitment has sharpened my interest and piqued my curiosity as to the ELR potential of the 6.5CM and similar rounds...
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OutRider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I was pretty much talking whatever ammo...</div></div>
I normally don't answer these kind of questions, because they are kind of pointless. It doesn't make any sense to me to ask how far something can reach, and then say with "whatever ammo". The ammunition and bullet make all the difference on how far a round can travel accurately. And at anything over 1K, it better be very accurate ammo with low ES velocities to hit anything.
To answer your question, my 260 Rem with a 140 VLD with a 28" barrel (top of the line bullet with a high BC) is good to about 1400 yards. </div></div>
...thank you especialy for your reply...
...by "whatever ammo" I pretty much ment whatever works...I can see how a man in your position might be put off by such a reply...I was not trying to be flippant...I simply don't know anything about loading the 308 based 6.5's...
...I most certainly grasp the concept of building the system around a given projectile...
...still, I vey much appreciate your taking the time to answer my question...the specifics of what cartidge and bullet were used out of what barrel length to effectivly reach 1400 yds have indeed helped me put things into perspective...
...I remain ignorent about what ES velocities are and why they must be low...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OutRider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I was pretty much talking whatever ammo...</div></div>
I normally don't answer these kind of questions, because they are kind of pointless. It doesn't make any sense to me to ask how far something can reach, and then say with "whatever ammo". The ammunition and bullet make all the difference on how far a round can travel accurately. And at anything over 1K, it better be very accurate ammo with low ES velocities to hit anything.
To answer your question, my 260 Rem with a 140 VLD with a 28" barrel (top of the line bullet with a high BC) is good to about 1400 yards. </div></div>
...thank you especialy for your reply...
...by "whatever ammo" I pretty much ment whatever works...I can see how a man in your position might be put off by such a reply...I was not trying to be flippant...I simply don't know anything about loading the 308 based 6.5's...
...I most certainly grasp the concept of building the system around a given projectile...
...still, I vey much appreciate your taking the time to answer my question...the specifics of what cartidge and bullet were used out of what barrel length to effectivly reach 1400 yds have indeed helped me put things into perspective...
...I remain ignorent about what ES velocities are and why they must be low...
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
You're welcome. ES is extreme spread, and SD is standard deviation. ES is the highest and lowest velocity shots in your string. SD shows how much variation there is from the "average" of your shots. You typically want single digit numbers. A 30 fps difference in 2 shots at a 1000 yards will change the impact about 8 inches vertically in my 260 load (more in a 308). So, the numbers play a big roll. This is why I will shoot a certain load that gives me very good SD and ES numbers and might be a little slower over another load that is running faster but has more ES.
You're welcome. ES is extreme spread, and SD is standard deviation. ES is the highest and lowest velocity shots in your string. SD shows how much variation there is from the "average" of your shots. You typically want single digit numbers. A 30 fps difference in 2 shots at a 1000 yards will change the impact about 8 inches vertically in my 260 load (more in a 308). So, the numbers play a big roll. This is why I will shoot a certain load that gives me very good SD and ES numbers and might be a little slower over another load that is running faster but has more ES.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
...thanks...I was just starting to figger this out but was still a bit confused...
...found some good threads...
..believe it or not, once I knew most of this stuff, but didn't pay too much attentiuon to it because I did not have any of the equipment so commen today...a chronograph was a BFD and no one I knew could afford one...
...we just went by published data and poi to guess at velocity and went by group size to select loads...
...we thought of 300 yds as a long shot...I can see where loads that look good at that range might not fare well at 1000yds...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I finally got to load up some 6.5 Creedmoor rounds. I used the 140 AMAX and loaded 42, 42.5 and 43grns of H4350. Got the following results:
42grns- Av 2817, ES 23, SD6
42.5grns Av 2831, ES 18, SD 5
43grns- Av 2870, ES 19, SD 5
All loads were right around 1/2 MOA with the 42 and 43s getting some .3" 5 shot groups at 100. I plan to test them this week at 300 yards. No pressure signs at all on any of the loads. </div></div>
...thanks...I was just starting to figger this out but was still a bit confused...
...found some good threads...
..believe it or not, once I knew most of this stuff, but didn't pay too much attentiuon to it because I did not have any of the equipment so commen today...a chronograph was a BFD and no one I knew could afford one...
...we just went by published data and poi to guess at velocity and went by group size to select loads...
...we thought of 300 yds as a long shot...I can see where loads that look good at that range might not fare well at 1000yds...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I finally got to load up some 6.5 Creedmoor rounds. I used the 140 AMAX and loaded 42, 42.5 and 43grns of H4350. Got the following results:
42grns- Av 2817, ES 23, SD6
42.5grns Av 2831, ES 18, SD 5
43grns- Av 2870, ES 19, SD 5
All loads were right around 1/2 MOA with the 42 and 43s getting some .3" 5 shot groups at 100. I plan to test them this week at 300 yards. No pressure signs at all on any of the loads. </div></div>
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
Actually I have found rounds that shoot good at 300 yards actually do well out to 1000. That is why I check them at both 100 and 300 yards. I only have a 400 yard range so I can't check them out any farther at home.
Actually I have found rounds that shoot good at 300 yards actually do well out to 1000. That is why I check them at both 100 and 300 yards. I only have a 400 yard range so I can't check them out any farther at home.
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
...well hells bells, that is something good to know...
...I was wondering how one worked up a load to shoot at 1000 yards w/o shooting at 1000 yards...
...not looking to start any crap, but what do you guys have to say aboot this...???...I think he said he was using a 28" barrel...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooters,
I use .260 Norma brass, fed 210 primers, 42.5 of H4350 ,SMK 142 and run them 2878 fps. Awesome accuracy out to 1650 yards. I know it's not intended for that but it will do it just fine. Primer pockets are fine....so far.
Tom </div></div>
...well hells bells, that is something good to know...
...I was wondering how one worked up a load to shoot at 1000 yards w/o shooting at 1000 yards...
...not looking to start any crap, but what do you guys have to say aboot this...???...I think he said he was using a 28" barrel...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tom Sarver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooters,
I use .260 Norma brass, fed 210 primers, 42.5 of H4350 ,SMK 142 and run them 2878 fps. Awesome accuracy out to 1650 yards. I know it's not intended for that but it will do it just fine. Primer pockets are fine....so far.
Tom </div></div>
Re: 1500 yards with 6.5 Creedmore?
Unless you got a 6.5-06 AI with some heavy bullets an a 28`+ barrel,and that would be stretching it a little.but you are better off with a magnum.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love my 6.5 Creedmoor but I wouldn't call it or the .260 a 1500 yard round. You are really stretching it's outer limits. You want 1500 yards reliably then get a magnum.</div></div>
Unless you got a 6.5-06 AI with some heavy bullets an a 28`+ barrel,and that would be stretching it a little.but you are better off with a magnum.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love my 6.5 Creedmoor but I wouldn't call it or the .260 a 1500 yard round. You are really stretching it's outer limits. You want 1500 yards reliably then get a magnum.</div></div>
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