155 Scenars for Hunting?

[vonbalkenbush]

Anyone used 155 Scenars for hunting? I know it's not designed for it, but I have a bunch of them (and really good field DOPE) and really don't feel like doing load development for deer season this year with a different bullet. Input appreciated.

-SBS

 

[diriel]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

From what I hear the Scenar is pretty hard and tends to rifle right through game without opening up much if any at all. Perhaps some one who has actually used them on game will chime in. I admit it would be kinda cool if they worked ok on game.

 

[Cinch]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

They are great for hunting. PGS on here uses them ALL the tie with great success.

 

[blklabs]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

This guy was smoked with a 139 scenar from my 260 at about 100 yards. It totally destroyed his heart, turning it into mush and making the blood the brightest red I have ever seen. I think they work fine. However, he did run about 30 yards and every animal that I have shot with a amax bullet dropped in its tracks.

Being able to place your shot in the kill zone is more important in my opinion so if you have good dope then use the 155's.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?


Beat me to it!! PGS has probably killed more animals with a .308 and 155's than most people will kill in a lifetime. Deer, Elk,Bears,Sheep,Stag,ect.

 

[hamr56]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Yes, they will work just fine. I have seen it with my own two eyes.

 

[psinclair]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone used 155 Scenars for hunting? I know it's not designed for it, but I have a bunch of them (and really good field DOPE) and really don't feel like doing load development for deer season this year with a different bullet. Input appreciated.

-SBS </div></div>

What do you want to see? I have a few kill pics.....

 

[Ring]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

155 amax is NASTY on soft targets...

 

[Jimmy76]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Scenar works fine as hunting bullet. If it hits into bone, it will make mush, but overall it behaves like FMJ. Very accurate, too. Here in Finland we use them widely for hunting purposes.

 

[Fisky]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Lots of PGS pics here, and others...

https://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2134202

 

[wirehand]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

last years cow, 205m, between the ears and grenaded, did not even exit.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Are you Really gonna use a 308 with match bullets for hunting ? laffin'

PGS has great pics and strong evidence as to the success of said bullet !

Fire away ! I shoot Scenars in 3 rifles now... slowly converting

 

[psinclair]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Sorry Scott....for being a bad influence......laffin!

 

[Chanonry]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Unless your load is really HOT, just stuff a BT on top of the Scenar load, back it off the lands a bit. It will work fine, and for 'sensible' deer shots the drop is near enough.

Of course that breaks every 'rule' in the book...

 

[vonbalkenbush]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Holy Crap! Forgot about this thread LOL... That's great! Looks like my load development is done! Thanks for the input! For those that want to know, my load is:

45.2 grns of XBR 8208
Lapua case
CCI BR-2
COAL 2.825"

Vel = 3040 fps

It's a fricken laser, and when I do my job will hold 1/2 MOA and sometimes better. Didn't want to switch bullets for critters. I know it works on ground squirrels out to 350, found that out today

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-SBS

 

[psinclair]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Thats fast! What barrel are you running and how long?

 

[Cinch]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Real fast. I'm at 2832 out of a 22" with 45.5gr Varget.

 

[vonbalkenbush]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats fast! What barrel are you running and how long? </div></div>

It's a 25" inch 10 twist Krieger.

 

[psinclair]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Here's a little primer for ya.....a good pal with a 360" 6X6 he killed with my GAP .308 and 155 scenars at 447 meters.

I may have to try some of that XBR....

 

[vonbalkenbush]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here's a little primer for ya.....a good pal with a 360" 6X6 he killed with my GAP .308 and 155 scenars at 447 meters.

I may have to try some of that XBR.... </div></div>

You definitely should, it's one of the most consistent powders I've ever shot. My ES's have been in the single digits... No joke, 10 shot strings are giving me 7-9 fps ES's. The temperature sensitivity is supposed to be as good or better than other powder out there. I can't wait for the temp to drop, excited for big game hunting this year

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[vonbalkenbush]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here's a little primer for ya.....a good pal with a 360" 6X6 he killed with my GAP .308 and 155 scenars at 447 meters.

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Damn, that is a big bull, and taken at 500 yds. I think my search for a hunting bullet is definitely over. Sweet...

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

tag again

 

[RoosterShooter]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here's a little primer for ya.....a good pal with a 360" 6X6 he killed with my GAP .308 and 155 scenars at 447 meters.

I may have to try some of that XBR.... </div></div>

You definitely should, it's one of the most consistent powders I've ever shot. My ES's have been in the single digits... No joke, 10 shot strings are giving me 7-9 fps ES's. The temperature sensitivity is supposed to be as good or better than other powder out there. I can't wait for the temp to drop, excited for big game hunting this year

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FINALLY! Someone who will back up what I've been saying since September 2010! I've been working with this powder since Spring 2010, and I always get a funny look when I mention it to people. Most have never heard of it, but it seems that it's catching on. I use 8208 XBR in everything from .223 to 45/70 Gov't loads.

 

[vonbalkenbush]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RoosterShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


FINALLY! Someone who will back up what I've been saying since September 2010! I've been working with this powder since Spring 2010, and I always get a funny look when I mention it to people. Most have never heard of it, but it seems that it's catching on. I use 8208 XBR in everything from .223 to 45/70 Gov't loads. </div></div>

Yup, it's bad ass

 

[FIREMEDIC27]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

Just my .02 ...... 155 Scenar, 46.2g of RE-15, 26" Savage barrel, 2960 fps. Shot a fox at 200 yards and the bullet fragmented on impact. Ripped a football size hole in the side animal. Same load 1 year later poked a hole in and out of a deer at 300 yards - never touched a bone but only ran 75 yards or so.

 

[RH4540]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

I used 155 Scenars for a few years, for deer hunting, and even though they killed everything I shot them at, the only one that had any expansion at all, was one that I pulled a little high, and hit a little of the spine.

I use the same load now, except use Combined Technologies, 150 grain ballistic, silvertips. They are awesome on deer!

 

[Clark]

Re: 155 Scenars for Hunting?

I have been on gun forums since before the www got forums.

Historically, the topic of terminal ballistics never resolves. There are lots of opinions based on scant anecdotes.

A thread [about using Sierra match kings for hunting]went on for years.

There seem to be two types of hunters of ruminants:
1) Aim for the shoulder, use a partition; Barnes X, Swift A frame, Nosler partition
2) Aim for the lungs, use a fast expanding bullet; Sierra Game King, Nosler Ballistic tip, Win Silver tip

The first category tend to penetrate ~ 18 inches over a wide range of impact velocities.
The second category tend to penetrate ~ 14 inches over a wide range of impact velocities.

Thin skinned hollow point target bullets tend to act like the second category.

Scenars have a reputation for either expanding very fast for lots of destruction, or penciling through.

Then there the argument that you can't kill it if you can't hit it. So when you are all sighted in, ranged, and skilled with Scenars, and there is no time to do the same for hunting bullets, you may be better off with the Scenars.

I hunted with Nosler Ballistic tips in 2008 and 2009 killing a total of 8 animals [yes, I had that many tags]. I hunted with Berger VLD hunting bullets in 2010 and got 3 animals. I am going back to Ballistic tips in 2011, based on my scant anecdotes from 2010.