17hmr Rimfire Section

[GotCox]

Thought we hummer shooters could use an info gathering thread like the 22lr guys have. Post up your results with rifle changes, ammo changes,chrono work if you have one, equipment you find helps you out and any other things that is 17hmr specific.


<span style="font-weight: bold">Tactical stock makers.</span>
Manners
http://mannersstocks.com/
PDC
http://pdccustom.com/
BOYDS...this is the OEM TR stock maker
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/default.asp

<span style="font-weight: bold">Scope Bases</span>
DIP (Diversified Innovative Products) One piece both 0 & 25MOA
http://www.diproductsinc.com/Default.aspx
EGW (Evolution Gun Works)one piece bases 1& 20MOA
http://www.egwguns.com/index.php?p=egw_store
DNZ Deadnutz Products
http://www.dnzproducts.com/

<span style="font-weight: bold">Ammo Manufacturers</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products.

Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501</div></div>

Hornady 17gr v-max, 20grXTP and 15gr NXT (lead free)
http://www.hornady.com/store/17-HMR/
CCI 17gr v-max, 17gr TNT, 20gr XTP(game points, 20gr FMJ, 16gr TNT Green
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/
Winchester 17gr v-max,15.5gr NXT (lead free)
http://www.winchester.com/Products/rimfire-ammunition/supreme/v-max/Pages/S17HMR.aspx
Remington 17gr v-max
http://www.remington.com/product-families/ammunition/rimfire-families/magnum-rimfire.aspx
Federal Premium 17gr v-max, 17gr TNT
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx

<span style="font-weight: bold">Online Ammo Supplies</span>
Midsouth Shooters Supply
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000383170
Cheaper Than Dirt
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=488

<span style="font-weight: bold">Magazine makers</span>
http://www.17hmrmag.com/main.sc

<span style="font-weight: bold">Resources</span>
Collection of tests, ballistic info and caliber comparisons.
http://www.varmintal.com/17hmr.htm

Web forum for 17hmr....but you have to sort through a bunch of BS to find good info.
www.17hmr.net

 

[GotCox]

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I guess i will go first.

I have shot all but the lead free rounds that are available for the 17hmr. For my specific rifle it seems to like Hornady 17gr v-max better than any other round. Followed by all the different brand v-max. Then the 17gr TNT, then the 20gr rounds. For the most part all the 20gr ammo has a change in POI of about .25 at 50 yards and .5 inch at 100 yards. The one exception is the 20gr FMJ. They have a POI 1.25-1.5" higher than the v-max. I do not know if it is the BC they have or they are loaded hotter than the box says, but i have tested this on many days with many lots of ammo and from my rifle it is always that way.

This pictures doesn't illistrate it very well as it was while i was still trying to get my shooting under control and repeatable, something i still work on. lol

This one shows the FMJ difference better.

 

[300winman]

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D.I.P bottom metal and trigger gaurds Diversified Innovative Products


Dead nutz mounts

 

[GotCox]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300winman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
D.I.P bottom metal and trigger gaurds Diversified Innovative Products


Dead nutz mounts </div></div>

Good stuff DNZ added to list. I know i have heard of a couple using this ring/bases but have never seen pictures or reviews of how good they work.

 

[300winman]

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Barrel cut to 17in
Boyds stock
D.I.P bottom metal and trigger gaurd with post travel set screw
DNZ medium base and ring set
17HMRMAG 10 round mags
Custom bolt knob
4-16x44 Hawke mildot scope
Desert mirage digital

I love everything about this setup. Its very light weight and all the products work well together. The dnz mount system was extremely well made and exceeded my expectations and is also a lot lighter than most traditional ring and base combos. I would recomend them to anyone that wants a top notch product that is light weight and is perfectly aligned for your scope. I started to lap the rings and found it to be a waste of time. The D.I.P products are also well made and are a needed solid bottom metal piece that is thick enough that it won't bend under stress and allows proper torque. This trigger gaurd was designed with ample room in front of the trigger and will afford room for the largest gloves for the cold weather shooter.

 

[GotCox]

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Very nice. Thanks for the review on the DNZ rings. They look like a nice setup. Do they make them with positive MOA?

 

[john.suthers]

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I haven't shot much paper with my 17. I got it to zero at 150 yards on paper and have been applying metal to meat ever since. I have not noticed much accuracy difference between the 17gr Federal / whatever the hell the hollow points are and the Hornady V-max. I have notice a lethality difference with the v-max. That little sucker is awesome. I quit buying any ammo that isn't the V-max bullet.

 

[300winman]

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Not that I am aware of. Not really needed imo. that little bastard drifts further than it falls in my expirence. A good low mounted scope will give you plenty elevation for a 200yd zero. I use the reticle to out to 320. Thats about all I can expect out of it and still deliver accurate fire on small game.

 

[GotCox]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300winman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not that I am aware of. Not really needed imo. that little bastard drifts further than it falls in my expirence. A good low mounted scope will give you plenty elevation for a 200yd zero. I use the reticle to out to 320. Thats about all I can expect out of it and still deliver accurate fire on small game. </div></div>

Understood, but if you like to target shoot at extended ranges having a base with added MOA is a bonus. Plus in my mind having a bunch of travel to lower your scope is a waste as it will never be used. I have a 25MOA base on mine and have no problem, zeroing at 50 yards and have enough to zero my scope to 600 yards.

 

[300winman]

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I can't say that many people are gonna try for that 600 yard shot with a 17 though. A canted rail imo is better suited to the rainbow like path of the 22lr. I think most would agree its not a needed thing for the flatter tajectory the 17hmr offers. I would also caution new shooters about the limited objecive lens size while using a rail, Not to mention the cheek rests are typically quite low on most factory and aftermarket rimfire stocks and proper eye relief can be hard to obtain. Some may not want to invest the extra money in risers and such.

 

[Jayne]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300winman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
17HMRMAG 10 round mags
</div></div>

How well do these mags work?

I've got 4 factory mags and a good percentage of the time when I try to seat them with the bolt open all the rounds fly out of them, and if I seat a full mag with the bolt closed it won't feed the first round when I try to cycle it. Jams up every time so I can only load 4. Don't know if I'm cursed or this is just how the factory mags work (or don't work).

 

[300winman]

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they work alright so far. Still in the break in period. your factory mags just need a little pinch in the middle to keep that from happening. One of the three 10 rounders I have was doing that. They aren't perfect but worst case your still packin 4 more in your mag

 

[clmayfield]

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Where is SmallboreSniper when you need him? BTW... all 17HMR ammo is made by CCI... lots vary in accuracy quite a bit, which might make one manufacturer seem better than another... just different lots.

My Annie 1517 MPR wears a Zeiss Diavari.

 

[GotCox]

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Good stuff guys. Info added to first post.

Glad to hear some reviews on the 10 round mags as a couple forums i am on have about a 50/50 review on them. Some say they are garbage and some say they work fine with 9 rounds, but don't hold a true 10 rounds they are marketed for.

 

[FALex]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JTG 1977</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't shot much paper with my 17. I got it to zero at 150 yards on paper and have been applying metal to meat ever since. I have not noticed much accuracy difference between the 17gr Federal / whatever the hell the hollow points are and the Hornady V-max. I have notice a lethality difference with the v-max. That little sucker is awesome. I quit buying any ammo that isn't the V-max bullet.</div></div>


I second that! Those damn V-Max make creatures do amazing acrobatics! I bought 4 boxes of the HP's and they would just punch right through the critters, and most of the time, they'd make it back to a hole. Then again, there were a few instances when the HP's would actually nail the critter to the ground, where the critter could not even move from that spot. V-Max all day!

 

[stmcelroy]

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I need to get out and shoot my CZ452 Varmint in .17hmr again soon.

 

[Jayne]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JTG 1977</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I have notice a lethality difference with the v-max. That little sucker is awesome. I quit buying any ammo that isn't the V-max bullet. </div></div>

I hunt rabbits with mine and as I'm in CA in the condor zone I'm only using the CCI 16gr lead-free stuff. I keep my shots at 50 yards or less so I can hit them in the head reliably. A body shot makes a real mess and you can lose meat. Never had one do anything other than flop over and twitch for a second or two even without good bullets.

 

[Helidriver]

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Great Post.....glad to see others here that like the Hummer. I have an issue with the Winchester Supreme. 40% or so misfire in my Savage 93. Federal and CCI no problem. The rims on these rounds have a good solid strike but no fire. I guess I got a bad batch if they are all made on the same equipment.

 

[tomcat mv]

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I love my Savage 17. I have one of the cheap BSA Sweet 17 scopes on it and it works great. I can scalp a prairie dogs with it at 150 yds all day. the Hornady V-max is all I shoot.

 

[GotCox]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Helidriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great Post.....glad to see others here that like the Hummer. I have an issue with the Winchester Supreme. 40% or so misfire in my Savage 93. Federal and CCI no problem. The rims on these rounds have a good solid strike but no fire. I guess I got a bad batch if they are all made on the same equipment. </div></div>

Winchester seems to be reported with these type of issues more than any other ammo. Slit cases, miss fires, poor performance. I know the info about the ammo being made in the same plant at CCI is from 2009 time frame, but no idea if that has changed or if they still make all the ammo. I have sent emails, but i get no answers. I have asked about the FMJ's higher POI and the manufacture differences between them all. If i ever get an answer i will for sure post it here.

 

[300winman]

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I had 10 misfires and two case rupters in two boxes with different lots. Can't say I'll buy them again. even at 8 bucks a box

 

[john.suthers]

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I primarily shoot prairie dogs with my 17. The hollow point goes right through them and they crawl down their hole. With the v-max, I don't have that issue. I have actually picked up pieces of prairie dogs before using a 17gr. bullet. That is impressive energy for a grain of rice.

 

[Logiicz]

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This is a 5 shot group at 50 yards with my relatively new Savage 93R17BTVS scoped with a Bushnell legend 5-15X40 and caldwell bipod.. I used Winchester 20gr xtp. I just had one misfire in three different boxes of this ammo

 

[RingingSteel]

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I have had more fun with the cheapest gun in my safe. A Marlin 917 for less than $225.00 and a pure squirrel killing machine.