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2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/13/2017 Last edited 01/13/2017 by fargo007
Shooters,
I got home at midnight today after laying out the bulk of the 2017 DMR/RECCE Series. This page will serve as a discussion area and sounding board for the shooters to weigh in.
The series will consist of five matches between University Rifle Club and New Holland Rifle and Pistol Club.
The dates will be as follows:
Sunday April 9 - University
Sunday May 21 - University
Saturday June 3rd - New Holland (awaiting club approval)
Saturday July 1 - New Holland (awaiting club approval)
Sunday, August 13 - University
Venues:
These are both excellent venues for this kind of match.
New Holland Rifle and Pistol Club, 589 Meetinghouse Rd, Gap PA
Steel targets from 200Y to 700Y
Pit targets from 100 to 600Y
Freddy's take: Huge Pit area that is 65 yards wide. Expect lots of pop ups, fast movers especially at 300/400Y, and a lot of exploitation of the further distances available. Stages here will probably tend to focus on accuracy demand, distance, and the ability to spot your targets and get on them quickly. In other words, more target-dynamic.
...
University Rifle Club, 550 Schoffers Road, Exeter Township PA
Steel targets from 100Y to 600Y
Pit targets from 100Y to 300Y
Freddy's take: This place is PROP CITY. They have a 20 foot shooter's tower, a giant rooftop simulator, a huge shooters "Wall" being built, a 180# jiu jitsu/drag dummy, and a field-target environment that permits unknown/intermediate distance targets. Stages here will be more prop focused and more shooter-dynamic.
The series will allow competition between two classes of rifles defined as:
Either rifle may be in any short action caliber, have any length of barrel, any muzzle device, and may or may not use a sound suppressor.
Either rifle may fire any type of ammo except for AP (M855 variants included).
Courses of Fire:
Courses of fire and round count will be the same for each class, but the target presentation will vary. Example:
Barricade stage:
Target: Steel at 400Y
10 rounds, 10 points per hit within 70 seconds, two rounds fired from each of five positions
DMR shooters will engage the 8" round target at 400Y, and RECCE shooters will engage the fullsize IPSC silhouette.
Courses of fire will be published to all registered shooters before the match date.
Series Scoring:
Classes are scored separately from each other. This is really two series in one.
Each match will result in series points being accrued. The match winner gets 100 points and automatically qualifies into the finals (which are invitation only). The other shooters earn their percentage of the top shooter's score. So if Frank shot a 200 and you shot a 180, 180/200=.9. Frank earned 100 series points, and you earned 90.
A shooter may compete in both classes. If time/attendance permits, at each match, we will allow shooters to fire in both classes in one day for a reduced fee for the second gun.
The final series score shall be the shooter's best three series points awards accrued across two clubs in each class.
Stage Scoring: (I want your comments on this especially)
Stages will be run on a combination of scoring models:
https:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10A-J5M4o5ZLfXonk9t7ZThcb_lRzNUPB0VuG7Lm7lSo/pubhtml//docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10A-J5M4o5ZLfXonk9t7ZThcb_lRzNUPB0VuG7Lm7lSo/pubhtml
Prizes:
The finals will have what we hope will be a very robust prize table. We have already had discussions with major vendors whose names you will definitely know.
Match Directors:
So far, I'm the only one, but there are positions open and I'd love a break. If you would like to take one of the matches on and are familiar with the type of stages that DMR/RECCE shooters enjoy, please volunteer. I will help you out in terms of designing the match with time/motion in mind.
Match directors will compete in the series.
Match directors will not be eligible for prizes by finish order. I do this for fun and am not taking any prizes.
Please feel free to comment, discuss, or otherwise rail.
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chevyman368XPrivate
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/14/2017
Sounds good . As far as scoring matches, it should be the same format for every event to keep the tally consistently scored for the finale. I would say subtracting time from points would be Less overall math, and maybe time out subtraction at say 30 seconds after fastest shooter.But as long as it is consistent I don't care. Look forward to the series.
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fargo007XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/14/2017
I think subtracting the time with a reasonable ceiling and a floor makes sense.
The finale is based on percentage points, not actual points. So each of the matches can still be different, and still add up fairly for all who attended it and all who didn't as well.
You only get the amount of points you earned by your percentage of the winner. So the winner of each match gets 100 series points.
If a shooter's score in any match is 90% of the winner's, they get 90 series points.
So the weighting is always going to be the same across the series, regardless of difficulty level, scoring model, etc.
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BlazinBillXSergeant
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/16/2017
Can we bring two guns and shoot in DMR and Recce at one match?
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fargo007XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/16/2017
I'm certainly hoping to. ;-)
Capacity depending, of course. If we have room, we will let shooters do that.
It will probably be a small extra fee. Like ten bucks for the second gun.
I'm looking forward to shooting both myself. Good question.
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lennyo3034XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/16/2017
I'll be there! Can't decide whether I want to do DMR or RECCE. The DMR is ready to rock and I've been having issues with the RECCE, but I shot DMR last year. I would do both but I don't have the patience to load that much ammo.
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fargo007XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
I'm planning to shoot both, but if I am going to put my back into one of them, it's going to be RECCE.
I agree it will be tricky to keep the ammo separate and not mix it up.
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TacWolf19
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
How early do match registration forms get posted ? What are the fees per match so i can start planning out my full schedule ? Thank you and look forward to the series.
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fargo007XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
I'm shooting for a month in advance.
Same as always - $30.00 guests and $20.00 for shooters who are members of the hosting club.
If attendance permits, we will record a second registration in the other class for an extra ten bucks. So for ten bucks more you can shoot the entire match twice, with two different guns for score.
Rate now:
TacWolf19
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
Sounds great. Thank you
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grocknrollXPrivate
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/24/2017
Went to once match last year, now I'm hooked! I'm certainly going to try running in both classes, if possible. I built a rifle just for DMR class...
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2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/13/2017 Last edited 01/13/2017 by fargo007
Shooters,
I got home at midnight today after laying out the bulk of the 2017 DMR/RECCE Series. This page will serve as a discussion area and sounding board for the shooters to weigh in.
The series will consist of five matches between University Rifle Club and New Holland Rifle and Pistol Club.
The dates will be as follows:
Sunday April 9 - University
Sunday May 21 - University
Saturday June 3rd - New Holland (awaiting club approval)
Saturday July 1 - New Holland (awaiting club approval)
Sunday, August 13 - University
Venues:
These are both excellent venues for this kind of match.
New Holland Rifle and Pistol Club, 589 Meetinghouse Rd, Gap PA
Steel targets from 200Y to 700Y
Pit targets from 100 to 600Y
Freddy's take: Huge Pit area that is 65 yards wide. Expect lots of pop ups, fast movers especially at 300/400Y, and a lot of exploitation of the further distances available. Stages here will probably tend to focus on accuracy demand, distance, and the ability to spot your targets and get on them quickly. In other words, more target-dynamic.
...
University Rifle Club, 550 Schoffers Road, Exeter Township PA
Steel targets from 100Y to 600Y
Pit targets from 100Y to 300Y
Freddy's take: This place is PROP CITY. They have a 20 foot shooter's tower, a giant rooftop simulator, a huge shooters "Wall" being built, a 180# jiu jitsu/drag dummy, and a field-target environment that permits unknown/intermediate distance targets. Stages here will be more prop focused and more shooter-dynamic.
The series will allow competition between two classes of rifles defined as:
- DMR: A DMR has an optic capable of greater than 6x. A DMR has a bipod attached to the rifle.
- RECCE: A RECCE class rifle has an optic that is not capable of more than 6x. A RECCE rifle has no bipod, grip pod or other front support device.
- BOLT: You are welcome to try, but this match will favor semi-autos in stage design. For series points you class up with DMR shooters.
Either rifle may be in any short action caliber, have any length of barrel, any muzzle device, and may or may not use a sound suppressor.
Either rifle may fire any type of ammo except for AP (M855 variants included).
Courses of Fire:
Courses of fire and round count will be the same for each class, but the target presentation will vary. Example:
Barricade stage:
Target: Steel at 400Y
10 rounds, 10 points per hit within 70 seconds, two rounds fired from each of five positions
DMR shooters will engage the 8" round target at 400Y, and RECCE shooters will engage the fullsize IPSC silhouette.
Courses of fire will be published to all registered shooters before the match date.
Series Scoring:
Classes are scored separately from each other. This is really two series in one.
Each match will result in series points being accrued. The match winner gets 100 points and automatically qualifies into the finals (which are invitation only). The other shooters earn their percentage of the top shooter's score. So if Frank shot a 200 and you shot a 180, 180/200=.9. Frank earned 100 series points, and you earned 90.
A shooter may compete in both classes. If time/attendance permits, at each match, we will allow shooters to fire in both classes in one day for a reduced fee for the second gun.
The final series score shall be the shooter's best three series points awards accrued across two clubs in each class.
Stage Scoring: (I want your comments on this especially)
Stages will be run on a combination of scoring models:
- Points accrual on par time: You have 60 seconds, and every hit on the correct target earns 10 points.
- Raw time converted into points:
- Stage percentage
- Stage subtraction
- Stage time fraction
https:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10A-J5M4o5ZLfXonk9t7ZThcb_lRzNUPB0VuG7Lm7lSo/pubhtml//docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10A-J5M4o5ZLfXonk9t7ZThcb_lRzNUPB0VuG7Lm7lSo/pubhtml
Prizes:
The finals will have what we hope will be a very robust prize table. We have already had discussions with major vendors whose names you will definitely know.
Match Directors:
So far, I'm the only one, but there are positions open and I'd love a break. If you would like to take one of the matches on and are familiar with the type of stages that DMR/RECCE shooters enjoy, please volunteer. I will help you out in terms of designing the match with time/motion in mind.
Match directors will compete in the series.
Match directors will not be eligible for prizes by finish order. I do this for fun and am not taking any prizes.
Please feel free to comment, discuss, or otherwise rail.
Rate now:
chevyman368XPrivate
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13 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/14/2017
Sounds good . As far as scoring matches, it should be the same format for every event to keep the tally consistently scored for the finale. I would say subtracting time from points would be Less overall math, and maybe time out subtraction at say 30 seconds after fastest shooter.But as long as it is consistent I don't care. Look forward to the series.
Rate now:
fargo007XFirst Sergeant
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1093 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/14/2017
I think subtracting the time with a reasonable ceiling and a floor makes sense.
The finale is based on percentage points, not actual points. So each of the matches can still be different, and still add up fairly for all who attended it and all who didn't as well.
You only get the amount of points you earned by your percentage of the winner. So the winner of each match gets 100 series points.
If a shooter's score in any match is 90% of the winner's, they get 90 series points.
So the weighting is always going to be the same across the series, regardless of difficulty level, scoring model, etc.
Rate now:
BlazinBillXSergeant
Rating: 3.1/5 this site
406 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/16/2017
Can we bring two guns and shoot in DMR and Recce at one match?
Rate now:
fargo007XFirst Sergeant
Rating: 3.1/5 this site
1093 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/16/2017
I'm certainly hoping to. ;-)
Capacity depending, of course. If we have room, we will let shooters do that.
It will probably be a small extra fee. Like ten bucks for the second gun.
I'm looking forward to shooting both myself. Good question.
Rate now:
lennyo3034XFirst Sergeant
Rating: 3.4/5 this site
1639 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/16/2017
I'll be there! Can't decide whether I want to do DMR or RECCE. The DMR is ready to rock and I've been having issues with the RECCE, but I shot DMR last year. I would do both but I don't have the patience to load that much ammo.
Rate now:
fargo007XFirst Sergeant
Rating: 3.1/5 this site
1093 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
I'm planning to shoot both, but if I am going to put my back into one of them, it's going to be RECCE.
I agree it will be tricky to keep the ammo separate and not mix it up.
Rate now:
TacWolf19
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103 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
How early do match registration forms get posted ? What are the fees per match so i can start planning out my full schedule ? Thank you and look forward to the series.
Rate now:
fargo007XFirst Sergeant
Rating: 3.1/5 this site
1093 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
I'm shooting for a month in advance.
Same as always - $30.00 guests and $20.00 for shooters who are members of the hosting club.
If attendance permits, we will record a second registration in the other class for an extra ten bucks. So for ten bucks more you can shoot the entire match twice, with two different guns for score.
Rate now:
TacWolf19
XSergeant
Rating: 3.1/5 this site
103 posts this site
Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/17/2017
Sounds great. Thank you
Rate now:
grocknrollXPrivate
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Re: 2017 URC/NHRPC DMR/RECCE SERIES Announcement (Eastern PA)
01/24/2017
Went to once match last year, now I'm hooked! I'm certainly going to try running in both classes, if possible. I built a rifle just for DMR class...
