Varget and I went out this evening to see if we could get some data for 1760 yd. (1 mile). We set out 3 cement blocks on end and 2 high for a total of 6 which makes a target 2 moa high and 1.5 moa wide. We painted a bright orange 12" circle in the middle. We are using 250 gr. SMK running 2950. First shot was dialed 58 moa (iphy) and 4 left wind, ended up hitting with 62 moa (iphy) and 9 of left wind. Got 3 good hits out of 14 shots between the two of us, wind was gusting and caused several near misses, elevation held well. You wouldn't be safe behind a cement block wall at 1 mile we found out.
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Re: 338 at 1 mile
Should be about 970 fps
3.28 second flight time
526 ft/lbs of energy
1477.88 in of drop
.... sorry, just playing with my ballistic software
Should be about 970 fps
3.28 second flight time
526 ft/lbs of energy
1477.88 in of drop
.... sorry, just playing with my ballistic software
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats the retained velocity at that distance?</div></div>
Kind of hard to say without some information about the environmental conditions. My experience with that round leads me to suspect that it's subsonic, though. Can't have been very warm in Kansas.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats the retained velocity at that distance?</div></div>
Kind of hard to say without some information about the environmental conditions. My experience with that round leads me to suspect that it's subsonic, though. Can't have been very warm in Kansas.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
Have you thought about using the 300gr SMK ? It might buck the wind a bit better and would be my choice for shooting the ESL distances you guys are shooting.A mile is one hell of a long shot.Good to hear you are hitting though.I just do a better job on my block walls,full cells and rebar make them a bit harder to penetrate.
Have you thought about using the 300gr SMK ? It might buck the wind a bit better and would be my choice for shooting the ESL distances you guys are shooting.A mile is one hell of a long shot.Good to hear you are hitting though.I just do a better job on my block walls,full cells and rebar make them a bit harder to penetrate.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats the retained velocity at that distance?</div></div>
Kind of hard to say without some information about the environmental conditions. My experience with that round leads me to suspect that it's subsonic, though. Can't have been very warm in Kansas.
</div></div>
Actually a pretty nice day made it up to 60*, at the time of shooting (4.30 pm) it was mid 50"s, elev. is 1120, dew point was in the low 30's. I've had to play with the velocity and bc to get close to observed performance, pushed the velocity up to 3100 and bc @ .611 and it gets close to what we see in the field.
My chrono is a Prochrono Digital and has always been reliable, I ran 10 rounds across it. Our best guess is 1160 fps @ 1760 yd. Scope is a SN-3, 3.2-17X44, range was arrived at with Swaro and Leica. The table below is very close to our observed performance. It didn't copy real well, first row is yds, second is retained velocity and last is come up.
Range
Yards Velocity
f/s Energy
ft-lb Path
inches Drop
inches Drift
inches TOF
sec CDFC
inches Mntum
lb-f/s Zero Adj
MOA
0 3100 5336 -1.50 0.00 0.00 0.00000 1.50 110.7 ---
100 2953 4842 0.00 -1.87 0.21 0.09916 0.21 105.5 0.0
200 2811 4388 -2.49 -7.72 0.86 0.20328 2.63 100.4 1.2
300 2673 3968 -9.38 -17.98 1.97 0.31272 9.58 95.5 3.0
400 2540 3582 -21.13 -33.11 3.59 0.42785 21.43 90.7 5.0
500 2410 3226 -38.28 -53.62 5.74 0.54910 38.71 86.1 7.3
600 2284 2898 -61.42 -80.13 8.48 0.67696 62.00 81.6 9.8
700 2162 2596 -91.22 -113.30 11.84 0.81195 91.99 77.2 12.4
800 2044 2319 -128.47 -153.91 15.88 0.95467 129.45 73.0 15.3
900 1929 2067 -174.04 -202.86 20.66 1.10577 175.27 68.9 18.5
1000 1819 1837 -228.97 -261.16 26.24 1.26593 230.47 65.0 21.9
1100 1713 1630 -294.42 -329.97 32.68 1.43590 296.22 61.2 25.6
1200 1613 1444 -371.72 -410.64 40.05 1.61645 373.87 57.6 29.6
1300 1517 1278 -462.41 -504.70 48.42 1.80832 464.94 54.2 34.0
1400 1428 1133 -568.22 -613.88 57.85 2.01225 571.16 51.0 38.8
1500 1346 1006 -691.10 -740.13 68.40 2.22883 694.48 48.1 44.0
1600 1271 897 -833.20 -885.6 80.09 2.45847 837.04 45.4 49.7
1700 1205 806 -996.87 -1052.6 92.94 2.70128 1001.19 43.0 56.0
1800 1147 731 -1184.5 -1243.7 106.92 2.95696 1189.36 41.0 62.8
1900 1099 670 -1398.7 -1461.2 121.97 3.22478 1403.99 39.2 70.3
2000 1058 621 -1641.7 -1707.6 138.01 3.50383 1647.50 37.8 78.4
2100 1023 581 -1916.0 -1985.2 154.96 3.79322 1922.22 36.5 87.1
2200 992 547 -2223.7 -2296.3 172.76 4.09220 2230.35 35.4 96.5
2300 965 517 -2566.9 -2642.9 191.35 4.40020 2574.04 34.5 106.6
2400 941 492 -2947.9 -3027.2 210.69 4.71681 2955.39 33.6 117.3
2500 919 469 -3368.5 -3451.3 230.77 5.04172 3376.44 32.8 128.7
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats the retained velocity at that distance?</div></div>
Kind of hard to say without some information about the environmental conditions. My experience with that round leads me to suspect that it's subsonic, though. Can't have been very warm in Kansas.
</div></div>
Actually a pretty nice day made it up to 60*, at the time of shooting (4.30 pm) it was mid 50"s, elev. is 1120, dew point was in the low 30's. I've had to play with the velocity and bc to get close to observed performance, pushed the velocity up to 3100 and bc @ .611 and it gets close to what we see in the field.
My chrono is a Prochrono Digital and has always been reliable, I ran 10 rounds across it. Our best guess is 1160 fps @ 1760 yd. Scope is a SN-3, 3.2-17X44, range was arrived at with Swaro and Leica. The table below is very close to our observed performance. It didn't copy real well, first row is yds, second is retained velocity and last is come up.
Range
Yards Velocity
f/s Energy
ft-lb Path
inches Drop
inches Drift
inches TOF
sec CDFC
inches Mntum
lb-f/s Zero Adj
MOA
0 3100 5336 -1.50 0.00 0.00 0.00000 1.50 110.7 ---
100 2953 4842 0.00 -1.87 0.21 0.09916 0.21 105.5 0.0
200 2811 4388 -2.49 -7.72 0.86 0.20328 2.63 100.4 1.2
300 2673 3968 -9.38 -17.98 1.97 0.31272 9.58 95.5 3.0
400 2540 3582 -21.13 -33.11 3.59 0.42785 21.43 90.7 5.0
500 2410 3226 -38.28 -53.62 5.74 0.54910 38.71 86.1 7.3
600 2284 2898 -61.42 -80.13 8.48 0.67696 62.00 81.6 9.8
700 2162 2596 -91.22 -113.30 11.84 0.81195 91.99 77.2 12.4
800 2044 2319 -128.47 -153.91 15.88 0.95467 129.45 73.0 15.3
900 1929 2067 -174.04 -202.86 20.66 1.10577 175.27 68.9 18.5
1000 1819 1837 -228.97 -261.16 26.24 1.26593 230.47 65.0 21.9
1100 1713 1630 -294.42 -329.97 32.68 1.43590 296.22 61.2 25.6
1200 1613 1444 -371.72 -410.64 40.05 1.61645 373.87 57.6 29.6
1300 1517 1278 -462.41 -504.70 48.42 1.80832 464.94 54.2 34.0
1400 1428 1133 -568.22 -613.88 57.85 2.01225 571.16 51.0 38.8
1500 1346 1006 -691.10 -740.13 68.40 2.22883 694.48 48.1 44.0
1600 1271 897 -833.20 -885.6 80.09 2.45847 837.04 45.4 49.7
1700 1205 806 -996.87 -1052.6 92.94 2.70128 1001.19 43.0 56.0
1800 1147 731 -1184.5 -1243.7 106.92 2.95696 1189.36 41.0 62.8
1900 1099 670 -1398.7 -1461.2 121.97 3.22478 1403.99 39.2 70.3
2000 1058 621 -1641.7 -1707.6 138.01 3.50383 1647.50 37.8 78.4
2100 1023 581 -1916.0 -1985.2 154.96 3.79322 1922.22 36.5 87.1
2200 992 547 -2223.7 -2296.3 172.76 4.09220 2230.35 35.4 96.5
2300 965 517 -2566.9 -2642.9 191.35 4.40020 2574.04 34.5 106.6
2400 941 492 -2947.9 -3027.2 210.69 4.71681 2955.39 33.6 117.3
2500 919 469 -3368.5 -3451.3 230.77 5.04172 3376.44 32.8 128.7
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you thought about using the 300gr SMK ? It might buck the wind a bit better and would be my choice for shooting the ESL distances you guys are shooting.A mile is one hell of a long shot.Good to hear you are hitting though.I just do a better job on my block walls,full cells and rebar make them a bit harder to penetrate. </div></div>
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
Yes a more substantial wall would prove tougher to penetrate, would also be a lot more trouble to set up on the spare of the moment lets see if we can hit this whim. Farthest I've shot before this was 1100 yds, so a big step. Only had the rifle about a month so still a steep learning curve.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you thought about using the 300gr SMK ? It might buck the wind a bit better and would be my choice for shooting the ESL distances you guys are shooting.A mile is one hell of a long shot.Good to hear you are hitting though.I just do a better job on my block walls,full cells and rebar make them a bit harder to penetrate. </div></div>
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
Yes a more substantial wall would prove tougher to penetrate, would also be a lot more trouble to set up on the spare of the moment lets see if we can hit this whim. Farthest I've shot before this was 1100 yds, so a big step. Only had the rifle about a month so still a steep learning curve.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
Bronco,
good idea with the cinder blocks, a good reactive target for long distance. I will try the same. We haven't reached out to a mile yet, but as soon as my mount for my AI arrives we are going to head out to the desert.
Bronco,
good idea with the cinder blocks, a good reactive target for long distance. I will try the same. We haven't reached out to a mile yet, but as soon as my mount for my AI arrives we are going to head out to the desert.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
Where you boys shoot'in at??? We may have to get together some day, I have a 2000yd range already set up (steel targets) near Wilson. In between Salina and Hays right off I-70.
Where you boys shoot'in at??? We may have to get together some day, I have a 2000yd range already set up (steel targets) near Wilson. In between Salina and Hays right off I-70.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fredo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you read the thread? </div></div>
In all fairness to supershot, it only says .338 at 1 mile.
Which .338?
I'm assuming the Lapua, but it could be the Edge too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fredo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you read the thread? </div></div>
In all fairness to supershot, it only says .338 at 1 mile.
Which .338?
I'm assuming the Lapua, but it could be the Edge too.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
338 Lapua. Sorry should have spelled it out. We did this on a lark because it was such a nice day. We had planed at some point to stretch this rifle out. I figured it would take the 300 smk to get there, guess not.
338 Lapua. Sorry should have spelled it out. We did this on a lark because it was such a nice day. We had planed at some point to stretch this rifle out. I figured it would take the 300 smk to get there, guess not.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
</div></div>
Bronco,
I am a fan of the 250 Hornady BTHP Match pill. Good on game but they vary a bit in weight. One batch varied by about 3 grains in weight. Be interested to see how they go at ELR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
</div></div>
Bronco,
I am a fan of the 250 Hornady BTHP Match pill. Good on game but they vary a bit in weight. One batch varied by about 3 grains in weight. Be interested to see how they go at ELR.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wadcutter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
</div></div>
Bronco,
I am a fan of the 250 Hornady BTHP Match pill. Good on game but they vary a bit in weight. One batch varied by about 3 grains in weight. Be interested to see how they go at ELR.
</div></div>
When I first got the T'wolf, I bought a box of Hornady loaded ammo with the 250gr bullet to use as a chrono baseline and found that it was quite accurate but I only got to 400 when I ran out but I did get the chrono numbers. (Not at home for a week or so, so numbers not available at this time).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wadcutter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
</div></div>
Bronco,
I am a fan of the 250 Hornady BTHP Match pill. Good on game but they vary a bit in weight. One batch varied by about 3 grains in weight. Be interested to see how they go at ELR.
</div></div>
When I first got the T'wolf, I bought a box of Hornady loaded ammo with the 250gr bullet to use as a chrono baseline and found that it was quite accurate but I only got to 400 when I ran out but I did get the chrono numbers. (Not at home for a week or so, so numbers not available at this time).
Re: 338 at 1 mile
Brian W -
Pretty country around Wilson, I like the drive in between I-70 and Ellsworth on 156.
Brian W -
Pretty country around Wilson, I like the drive in between I-70 and Ellsworth on 156.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Varget and I went out this evening to see if we could get some data for 1760 yd. (1 mile). We set out 3 cement blocks on end and 2 high for a total of 6 which makes a target 2 moa high and 1.5 moa wide. We painted a bright orange 12" circle in the middle. We are using 250 gr. SMK running 2950. First shot was dialed 58 moa (iphy) and 4 left wind, ended up hitting with 62 moa (iphy) and 9 of left wind. Got 3 good hits out of 14 shots between the two of us, wind was gusting and caused several near misses, elevation held well. You wouldn't be safe behind a cement block wall at 1 mile we found out. </div></div>
what is your rifle set up? action and barrel length.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Varget and I went out this evening to see if we could get some data for 1760 yd. (1 mile). We set out 3 cement blocks on end and 2 high for a total of 6 which makes a target 2 moa high and 1.5 moa wide. We painted a bright orange 12" circle in the middle. We are using 250 gr. SMK running 2950. First shot was dialed 58 moa (iphy) and 4 left wind, ended up hitting with 62 moa (iphy) and 9 of left wind. Got 3 good hits out of 14 shots between the two of us, wind was gusting and caused several near misses, elevation held well. You wouldn't be safe behind a cement block wall at 1 mile we found out. </div></div>
what is your rifle set up? action and barrel length.....
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you thought about using the 300gr SMK ? It might buck the wind a bit better and would be my choice for shooting the ESL distances you guys are shooting.A mile is one hell of a long shot.</div></div>
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
</div></div>
250 flies nicely very far, atleast Scenars do
338Lapua test at 1.25miles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you thought about using the 300gr SMK ? It might buck the wind a bit better and would be my choice for shooting the ESL distances you guys are shooting.A mile is one hell of a long shot.</div></div>
Yes, have them but haven't worked up a load yet, also want to try the Hornaday 250's.
</div></div>
250 flies nicely very far, atleast Scenars do
338Lapua test at 1.25miles
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harry Callahan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brian W -
Pretty country around Wilson, I like the drive in between I-70 and Ellsworth on 156. </div></div>
You drive right by some of our land, on the curve on 156, right before the land gets flat, I own both pastures on both sides of the highway. Had alot of luck calling coyotes there yesturday, got 4 in one stand!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harry Callahan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brian W -
Pretty country around Wilson, I like the drive in between I-70 and Ellsworth on 156. </div></div>
You drive right by some of our land, on the curve on 156, right before the land gets flat, I own both pastures on both sides of the highway. Had alot of luck calling coyotes there yesturday, got 4 in one stand!!!
Re: 338 at 1 mile
i am going to epoxy bed mine tomorrow and it will be done,
i built mine on a lawton 8500 with a 29" 10 twist barrel in an a5 with a seekins detachable mag system. jewel trigger.
i didnt see the link to your rifle. i hope i get similar results as yours
i am going to epoxy bed mine tomorrow and it will be done,
i built mine on a lawton 8500 with a 29" 10 twist barrel in an a5 with a seekins detachable mag system. jewel trigger.
i didnt see the link to your rifle. i hope i get similar results as yours
Re: 338 at 1 mile
Your not very straight behind the rifle, LowLight's going to chew your ass.
Your not very straight behind the rifle, LowLight's going to chew your ass.
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brian W</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You drive right by some of our land, on the curve on 156, right before the land gets flat, I own both pastures on both sides of the highway. Had alot of luck calling coyotes there yesturday, got 4 in one stand!!!</div></div>
I'm jealous! I imagine those draws are good cover for some big deer!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brian W</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You drive right by some of our land, on the curve on 156, right before the land gets flat, I own both pastures on both sides of the highway. Had alot of luck calling coyotes there yesturday, got 4 in one stand!!!</div></div>
I'm jealous! I imagine those draws are good cover for some big deer!
Re: 338 at 1 mile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a-hull, It is a Lawton action, 30" shilen barrel 1 in 10 twist, rifle basix trigger in a AI chassis. I think I posted a link to pics of the rifle. </div></div>
here is a link to the one i just finished
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...516#Post1511516
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a-hull, It is a Lawton action, 30" shilen barrel 1 in 10 twist, rifle basix trigger in a AI chassis. I think I posted a link to pics of the rifle. </div></div>
here is a link to the one i just finished
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...516#Post1511516
