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40 f ing minutes. Aka Pussies that pretend their in iraq.

deersniper

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  • Feb 22, 2007
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    Got al the military arms and armor. Big and bad.

    Until a pimple faced kid is shooting innocents. Then it’s hide time.


    Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

    Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

    “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

    “They were unprepared,” he added.


    Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

    “The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”
     
    During the Beslan School hostage situation and massacre in 2004 when the school was stormed by more than 30 heavily armed Chechen Islamist militants equipped with machine guns, grenades, and RPGs, many of the parents and local hunters/trappers arrived on scene with long guns WAY before local police responded and there were harrowing accounts of some of the childrens' fathers climbing onto windows and exchanging rifle fire with the terrorists inside. There was actually a sustained firefight between the hostage takers and armed civilians who were engaging them from windows that they managed to commandeer before the Spetznaz unleashed the usual "Spetznaz Protocol" who, if they were in charge of a commercial bird hunting operation, would probably find a way to involve the use of friggin' nukes...

    First responders are not just LE. As a matter of fact, the victims immediately present at the scene of a terrorist and active shooter situation have the MOST likely chance of stopping the threat at it's very origin, if they have the tools necessary to take on this threat.

    "Gun free zones" KILL INNOCENTS.

    What we need to go for is FULL CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY. NO permits. Nothing less.
     
    Distressing videos show parents begging police to go into the school while shooting is taking place:


    Hey, everybody who is reading this. Everybody from everywhere who is going to stumble onto this thread sooner or later, WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU COMPLACENT FUCKS. The government is not going to help you, whether it is a epidemic lockdown or a terrorist attack. You better learn how to help yourselves, or become yet more statistics. Your idyllic little storybook world can come crashing down in SECONDS. All it takes is for ONE lone escapee from the local paper doll factory or license plate stamping plant, murderous, horny, and armed with a claw hammer, who happens to choose YOUR house as his first stop... What are you gonna do when a 200-lb homicidal mental case is breaking into your house with the intent to KILL and RAPE, in that very order of events, everybody inside? Call 911 and hide in a closet and pray?

    WAKE THE FUCK UP.
     
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    If the parents showed up with guns, the police would have arrested them on the spot for having a firearm in a gun free zone and a judge would prosecute them. You will realize police are for the state’s protection. There job is to stop you from acting.
     
    Guarantee the pussies stopped them or would have stopped them if they did
    This is the question that needs to be answered.
    If, if, any of the gear queers stopped the parents from going into the building while they would not, then, they need to be stripped of the badge, forced to wear yellow and marched out of town
     
    Just a couple months ago they were pretending.


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    Got al the military arms and armor. Big and bad.

    Until a pimple faced kid is shooting innocents. Then it’s hide time.


    Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

    Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

    “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

    “They were unprepared,” he added.


    Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

    “The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”
    First I've heard of this but I'm sure it's happened in other shooter scenarios too. So much for "protect and serve" when it comes to risking your own life.

    The counterargument to all this is likely "If we went into the building right away, unnecessary life would have been lost" (be it children and/or officers).
    • Children: 19 of them died with the approach chosen. Let's do some quick math.
      • 30 round uber scary mags still run out after 30 rounds
      • Those of you who have seen combat can attest to the likely accuracy in this situation (hint, it isn't 100%)
      • 40 minutes, how many rounds can be fired in 40 min? A ton, kill rate goes up the longer unarmed are exposed
      • What % of active shooters even want to make it out alive? Not many so get in there and put out the flame ASAP. We don't negotiate with terrorists so the thought that waiting will help the situation at all is ludicrous
    • Officers: Uphold the oath you took. Losing 5 officers is better than 19 children, at least you signed up for this and are able to show up better prepared.

    What did they think would actually get better with time? There's a mentally unstable person locked in a building with unarmed kids. If there was ever a time for the military systems police are purchasing, it is this specific situation. But I suspect they will wait to use them on citizens that break other laws
     
    If the parents showed up with guns, the police would have arrested them on the spot for having a firearm in a gun free zone and a judge would prosecute them. You will realize police are for the state’s protection. There job is to stop you from acting.
    Sadly, in this case, youre right.
     
    Got al the military arms and armor. Big and bad.

    Until a pimple faced kid is shooting innocents. Then it’s hide time.


    Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

    Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

    “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

    “They were unprepared,” he added.


    Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

    “The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”
    I couldnt watch the whole video, too heartbreaking.
     
    Just a couple months ago they were pretending.


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    Active shooter drills from now on need to involve several competent staff members, resource officers, delivery truck drivers, ANYBODY who happens to be on scene at the time, EQUIPPED WITH PAINTBALL GUNS and putting gobs of paint all over every inch of the unlucky SOB playing the part of the shooter. And if any stray gobs of paint are found anywhere except on the intended target, there will be a rubber dildo mounted to the back of a chair and the person who fired that stray shot will have to simulate oral sex with that dildo for 2 minutes as a reminder that if you are careless with your shots, you WILL be fucked.
     
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    They would have just had to arrest or shoot me if my child was in that building and I was there able to do something about it. I would have dealt with the consequences as they came. If true nothing but a bunch of cowards period. The children were helpless I hope they all live very long lives and this day haunts them every second of the way.
     
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    Distressing videos show parents begging police to go into the school while shooting is taking place:


    Hey, everybody who is reading this. Everybody from everywhere who is going to stumble onto this thread sooner or later, WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU COMPLACENT FUCKS. The government is not going to help you, whether it is a epidemic lockdown or a terrorist attack. You better learn how to help yourselves, or become yet more statistics. Your idyllic little storybook world can come crashing down in SECONDS. All it takes is for ONE lone escapee from the local paper doll factory or license plate stamping plant, murderous, horny, and armed with a claw hammer, who happens to choose YOUR house as his first stop... What are you gonna do when a 200-lb homicidal mental case is breaking into your house with the intent to KILL and RAPE, in that very order of events, everybody inside? Call 911 and hide in a closet and pray?

    WAKE THE FUCK UP.
    Blood and guts don't bother me from previous jobs, seen every gore porn video passed around by weird friends, but watching parents beg for their kids lives doesn't really sound like something I feel like remembering later.
     
    When seconds matter just remember good guys with are minutes away!!
    Moral of the story is.....even if every law enforcement officer in the region was Captain America, willing to lay down his life,
    people are often dead before they reach the scene. Nobody will protect me better than me. In the case of these poor kids there should be armed/trained security in most schools!!
     
    When seconds matter just remember good guys with are minutes away!!
    Moral of the story is.....even if every law enforcement officer in the region was Captain America, willing to lay down his life,
    people are often dead before they reach the scene. Nobody will protect me better than me. In the case of these poor kids there should be armed/trained security in most schools!!
    No shit.

    But...


    I think we all are bitching about gear queers pushing dickhead 8nto unlocked school and hanging out for 40 min before going into building
     
    Distressing videos show parents begging police to go into the school while shooting is taking place:


    Hey, everybody who is reading this. Everybody from everywhere who is going to stumble onto this thread sooner or later, WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU COMPLACENT FUCKS. The government is not going to help you, whether it is a epidemic lockdown or a terrorist attack. You better learn how to help yourselves, or become yet more statistics. Your idyllic little storybook world can come crashing down in SECONDS. All it takes is for ONE lone escapee from the local paper doll factory or license plate stamping plant, murderous, horny, and armed with a claw hammer, who happens to choose YOUR house as his first stop... What are you gonna do when a 200-lb homicidal mental case is breaking into your house with the intent to KILL and RAPE, in that very order of events, everybody inside? Call 911 and hide in a closet and pray?

    WAKE THE FUCK

    A mom in the article was quoted as saying:

    “One mom yelled at an officer, “You’re scared of getting shot? I’ll go in without a vest — I will!” the mom screams.”

    All during the COVID lockdowns it was mostly women/moms who were out pushing back against the tyranny not men/dads.

    Most Men aren’t going to put up with up someone cutting them off on the freeway that’s unacceptable and time to fight.

    COVID tyranny for most men/dads? “Well I have to respect my fellow man and obey the government don’t want to be a difficult member of my community.”
     
    When seconds matter just remember good guys with are minutes away!!
    Moral of the story is.....even if every law enforcement officer in the region was Captain America, willing to lay down his life,
    people are often dead before they reach the scene. Nobody will protect me better than me. In the case of these poor kids there should be armed/trained security in most schools!!
    Minutes to get there
    20 minutes until the “team” gets there
    20 minutes to gear up in all their tacti-cool gear
    10 minutes to decide who’s in charge
    10 minutes to make a plan
    5 minutes to “stack up”
    GO TIME BABY!
     
    great article to throw in these faggots face when they think they have some bonified reason to explain away why they had to waite.
    How many COVID vids of cops being Jonny on the spot to close w and arrest people w open businesses.

    Hahaha, they will get all gear queered up and March on a bunch of nondangerous people but save the kids?????????

    No, right to excuses why they didn't go in building.

    Cowards
     
    Mob guy in philly was on one of those shows about the life. He was 450-475 lb fat guy, dude comes in his office to wack him and as the guy pump 5 shots into his body the fat guy chases him out the building. He survived with no problem.
    Know your enemy, adjust ammunition accordingly. The one time FMJ over penetration would be helpful maybe.
     
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    Got al the military arms and armor. Big and bad.

    Until a pimple faced kid is shooting innocents. Then it’s hide time.


    Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

    Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

    “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

    “They were unprepared,” he added.


    Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

    “The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”
    the problem is people don't act on their own accord and le/pols have forced that behavior. I would have gone in personally and especially so if I had family in there. Cops waiting around and doing nothing and to think you shouldn't do something or otherwise is insane.
     
    Roasting the Po Po is all well and fine but just remember to turn in your guns to the nearest collection center. Refusal will result in fines and jail time.
    Is that supposed to make them look better?
     
    A mom in the article was quoted as saying:

    “One mom yelled at an officer, “You’re scared of getting shot? I’ll go in without a vest — I will!” the mom screams.”

    All during the COVID lockdowns it was mostly women/moms who were out pushing back against the tyranny not men/dads.

    Most Men aren’t going to put up with up someone cutting them off on the freeway that’s unacceptable and time to fight.

    COVID tyranny for most men/dads? “Well I have to respect my fellow man and obey the government don’t want to be a difficult member of my community.”
    the narrative needs to change to self protection and it's instances like this and parkland that drive it. No way I stand there, my conscious wouldn't allow it.
     
    During the Beslan School hostage situation and massacre in 2004 when the school was stormed by more than 30 heavily armed Chechen Islamist militants equipped with machine guns, grenades, and RPGs, many of the parents and local hunters/trappers arrived on scene with long guns WAY before local police responded and there were harrowing accounts of some of the childrens' fathers climbing onto windows and exchanging rifle fire with the terrorists inside. There was actually a sustained firefight between the hostage takers and armed civilians who were engaging them from windows that they managed to commandeer before the Spetznaz unleashed the usual "Spetznaz Protocol" who, if they were in charge of a commercial bird hunting operation, would probably find a way to involve the use of friggin' nukes...

    First responders are not just LE. As a matter of fact, the victims immediately present at the scene of a terrorist and active shooter situation have the MOST likely chance of stopping the threat at it's very origin, if they have the tools necessary to take on this threat.

    "Gun free zones" KILL INNOCENTS.

    What we need to go for is FULL CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY. NO permits. Nothing less.
    this!
     
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    If the parents showed up with guns, the police would have arrested them on the spot for having a firearm in a gun free zone and a judge would prosecute them. You will realize police are for the state’s protection. There job is to stop you from acting.
    true and this needs to change!