6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
The 6.5 Creedmoor has:
Better and affordable brass
Better and affordable Factory Match Loads
Actual Support from the maker as a match round, as opposed zero support for any purpose from Remington....
Other than that, they are equal.
The 6.5 Creedmoor has:
Better and affordable brass
Better and affordable Factory Match Loads
Actual Support from the maker as a match round, as opposed zero support for any purpose from Remington....
Other than that, they are equal.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I've heard that said before, but the answer to "who makes X for 6.5 creedmoor" is almost exclusively hornady. Plus I've never seen creedmoor ammo for sale in a store (not that I would pay what most shops want for ammo anyway cheaper to order it and pay the fees).
Is their brass for example really that much better than nosler or norma?
I'm definately interested since I have a 6.5 gun cooking at GAP, was ordered as a 260 mostly on availability of dies/tools etc.
I shot a 6.5 creedmoor gun in Arizona, it was...quite nice which is what got me thinking about the 6.5 round to begin with.
I've heard that said before, but the answer to "who makes X for 6.5 creedmoor" is almost exclusively hornady. Plus I've never seen creedmoor ammo for sale in a store (not that I would pay what most shops want for ammo anyway cheaper to order it and pay the fees).
Is their brass for example really that much better than nosler or norma?
I'm definately interested since I have a 6.5 gun cooking at GAP, was ordered as a 260 mostly on availability of dies/tools etc.
I shot a 6.5 creedmoor gun in Arizona, it was...quite nice which is what got me thinking about the 6.5 round to begin with.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Using Graf & Sons as a typical source for both ammo and relaoding supplies:
Nosler 260 Rem Brass $51.99 per 50
Norma 260 Rem Brass $104.45 per 100 (or $52.22 per 50)
Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor $32.79 per 50
So is Nosler and Norma brass better or Just more expensive?
You can make 260 out of Lapua 243's. But you can also make 6.5 Creedmoors from the same brass.
Factory Match Ammo:
260 Rem NONE
6.5 Creedmoor
120 & 140 A-Max $24.39 per box
There is 260 Match ammo made by Blackhills, HSM and Corbon. Corbon when it can be found is $33.87 per box. HSM Match is $26.00 a box with 123 gr lapua on board. I could not find the current price of Blackhils 260 match ammo.
Using Graf & Sons as a typical source for both ammo and relaoding supplies:
Nosler 260 Rem Brass $51.99 per 50
Norma 260 Rem Brass $104.45 per 100 (or $52.22 per 50)
Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor $32.79 per 50
So is Nosler and Norma brass better or Just more expensive?
You can make 260 out of Lapua 243's. But you can also make 6.5 Creedmoors from the same brass.
Factory Match Ammo:
260 Rem NONE
6.5 Creedmoor
120 & 140 A-Max $24.39 per box
There is 260 Match ammo made by Blackhills, HSM and Corbon. Corbon when it can be found is $33.87 per box. HSM Match is $26.00 a box with 123 gr lapua on board. I could not find the current price of Blackhils 260 match ammo.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Bob in NC,
I believe the 260 stuff from Black Hills was a special run for GAP and they never produced it for the mass market.
Josh
Bob in NC,
I believe the 260 stuff from Black Hills was a special run for GAP and they never produced it for the mass market.
Josh
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mclevela</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What advantages does the 6.5 Creedmoor have over the .260 Rem?
Thanks in advance for replies. </div></div>
Factory ammo being available for it is one advantage. The slightly shorter COAL may be another to those that may feed it from an AI magazines and shoot 130/140 class bullets. If you dont reload, go 6.5C. Balisticly the 6.5x47L, 6.5C and 260 are too close to call.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mclevela</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What advantages does the 6.5 Creedmoor have over the .260 Rem?
Thanks in advance for replies. </div></div>
Factory ammo being available for it is one advantage. The slightly shorter COAL may be another to those that may feed it from an AI magazines and shoot 130/140 class bullets. If you dont reload, go 6.5C. Balisticly the 6.5x47L, 6.5C and 260 are too close to call.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Why would one say that there is no factory match ammo, then list a coupe of different types of factory made match ammunition?
Either round has been successful enough to say that it is more on the shooter as to who wins the match.
Just weighed (and damn near hanged myself afterwards) 500 virgin RP .260 cases. 467 out of the 500 were within 1.5gr of each other. RP brass is good enough for me.
Why would one say that there is no factory match ammo, then list a coupe of different types of factory made match ammunition?
Either round has been successful enough to say that it is more on the shooter as to who wins the match.
Just weighed (and damn near hanged myself afterwards) 500 virgin RP .260 cases. 467 out of the 500 were within 1.5gr of each other. RP brass is good enough for me.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Using Graf & Sons as a typical source for both ammo and relaoding supplies:
Nosler 260 Rem Brass $51.99 per 50
Norma 260 Rem Brass $104.45 per 100 (or $52.22 per 50)
Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor $32.79 per 50
<span style="color: #CC0000">Remington 260 brass 25.39</span>
So is Nosler and Norma brass better or Just more expensive?
You can make 260 out of Lapua 243's. But you can also make 6.5 Creedmoors from the same brass.
Factory Match Ammo:
260 Rem NONE
6.5 Creedmoor
120 & 140 A-Max $24.39 per box
<span style="text-decoration: underline">There is 260 Match ammo made by Blackhills, HSM and Corbon. Corbon when it can be found is $33.87 per box. HSM Match is $26.00 a box with 123 gr lapua on board. I could not find the current price of Blackhils 260 match ammo.</span>
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I personally chose the 260 because I can go 10 mins from where I live to Bass Pro Shop, Cabela's, or my local reloading store and pick up 260 brass.
Redding dies are way cheaper than the 6.5x47 dies and I was unsure of the quality of the Hornady 6.5 Creedmore dies. I have no doubt the Creedmore is an excellent cartridge. I have been assured that the Hornady dies are excellent and have no doubt.
If I didn't load would I have chose another direction? Possibly. Buy one and shoot the crap out of it
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Using Graf & Sons as a typical source for both ammo and relaoding supplies:
Nosler 260 Rem Brass $51.99 per 50
Norma 260 Rem Brass $104.45 per 100 (or $52.22 per 50)
Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor $32.79 per 50
<span style="color: #CC0000">Remington 260 brass 25.39</span>
So is Nosler and Norma brass better or Just more expensive?
You can make 260 out of Lapua 243's. But you can also make 6.5 Creedmoors from the same brass.
Factory Match Ammo:
260 Rem NONE
6.5 Creedmoor
120 & 140 A-Max $24.39 per box
<span style="text-decoration: underline">There is 260 Match ammo made by Blackhills, HSM and Corbon. Corbon when it can be found is $33.87 per box. HSM Match is $26.00 a box with 123 gr lapua on board. I could not find the current price of Blackhils 260 match ammo.</span>
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I personally chose the 260 because I can go 10 mins from where I live to Bass Pro Shop, Cabela's, or my local reloading store and pick up 260 brass.
Redding dies are way cheaper than the 6.5x47 dies and I was unsure of the quality of the Hornady 6.5 Creedmore dies. I have no doubt the Creedmore is an excellent cartridge. I have been assured that the Hornady dies are excellent and have no doubt.
If I didn't load would I have chose another direction? Possibly. Buy one and shoot the crap out of it
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
diggler,
What I was trying to do was to list representative prices for brass and ammo at Graf & Sons. Graf's has no match 260 ammo; ie NONE. However, other places do have it, and I listed the brands and prices I could find that were available....
diggler,
What I was trying to do was to list representative prices for brass and ammo at Graf & Sons. Graf's has no match 260 ammo; ie NONE. However, other places do have it, and I listed the brands and prices I could find that were available....
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Hornady brass rates right up there with Remington.
Cost, about the same.
Run at the same pressures the 260 wins out in a bolt rifle.
Hornady brass rates right up there with Remington.
Cost, about the same.
Run at the same pressures the 260 wins out in a bolt rifle.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Not to mention the 30 degree neck vs the 20 degree neck, as well as less body taper. The 6.5 CM isn't as hard on brass as the .260. I personally like shooting, not prepping my brass.
Not to mention the 30 degree neck vs the 20 degree neck, as well as less body taper. The 6.5 CM isn't as hard on brass as the .260. I personally like shooting, not prepping my brass.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Chose the 260. What is wrong with Rem. Brass. $44 for 100. Shot several rounds with this and won. Cheaper and gets the job done. Everything is cheaper.
You are choosing between 2 or 3 cartridges that is almost the same. The Creedmoor is a great round but it is nothing more than a 260. Why ?
Chose the 260. What is wrong with Rem. Brass. $44 for 100. Shot several rounds with this and won. Cheaper and gets the job done. Everything is cheaper.
You are choosing between 2 or 3 cartridges that is almost the same. The Creedmoor is a great round but it is nothing more than a 260. Why ?
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Gotcha, wasn't trying to be an ass.
I found something like 18 different types of ammo on Midwayusa, three of which were Corbon match. Price is higher than 6.5CM, and right about where you said.
Gotcha, wasn't trying to be an ass.
I found something like 18 different types of ammo on Midwayusa, three of which were Corbon match. Price is higher than 6.5CM, and right about where you said.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Just because you can't "find" something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Black Hills match .260 is an excellent factory "match" round and if memory serves was not that expensive either. And the last time I spoke with George, he indicated to me that BH was going to continue to offer the 260 ammo. Corbon also makes a 260 with both a light or heavy bullet option. If you are so inclined you can send your rifle to Dallas Reloads and have them build a load for your rifle, then you have another source of match ammo.
Although Remington brass is by far not the best, there are MANY accomplished shooters here that used Remington 260 brass with great success. Just about everyone who competes here has shot the 260 in competition. In fact, one could argue that Rem brass is easier to find. There are also much better 260 brass selections. Nosler and Norma is better brass than Hornady. Also a majority of the 260 rounds use a Lapua 139gn Scenar, arguably the best 6.5 bullet available, or the 142 SMK, a bullet with more success than any other bullet out there.
Mag length with the 260 with the heavy bullets again is not a problem because MANY of the accomplished shooters here shot the 260 with a drop down mag with great success, for example Mr. Terry Cross. Anyone who says different doesn't know what they're talking about.
What it comes down to is do you want the latest flavor of the month or do you want last month's flavor? As far as ballistics go they're nearly identical. Match ammo is available for both. Reloading supplies are available for both.
What it comes down to is whether or not you want to say you shoot a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Just because you can't "find" something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Black Hills match .260 is an excellent factory "match" round and if memory serves was not that expensive either. And the last time I spoke with George, he indicated to me that BH was going to continue to offer the 260 ammo. Corbon also makes a 260 with both a light or heavy bullet option. If you are so inclined you can send your rifle to Dallas Reloads and have them build a load for your rifle, then you have another source of match ammo.
Although Remington brass is by far not the best, there are MANY accomplished shooters here that used Remington 260 brass with great success. Just about everyone who competes here has shot the 260 in competition. In fact, one could argue that Rem brass is easier to find. There are also much better 260 brass selections. Nosler and Norma is better brass than Hornady. Also a majority of the 260 rounds use a Lapua 139gn Scenar, arguably the best 6.5 bullet available, or the 142 SMK, a bullet with more success than any other bullet out there.
Mag length with the 260 with the heavy bullets again is not a problem because MANY of the accomplished shooters here shot the 260 with a drop down mag with great success, for example Mr. Terry Cross. Anyone who says different doesn't know what they're talking about.
What it comes down to is do you want the latest flavor of the month or do you want last month's flavor? As far as ballistics go they're nearly identical. Match ammo is available for both. Reloading supplies are available for both.
What it comes down to is whether or not you want to say you shoot a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
It looks like they are offering the 6.5 CM for the new Snipers Hide group buy!
Thanks
Ryan
It looks like they are offering the 6.5 CM for the new Snipers Hide group buy!
Thanks
Ryan
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mclevela,
I see you have 11 posts. Please use the search function. Here is a post, damn near exact title (round names are transposed) with three pages of discussion.
Link
Josh </div></div>
There is obviously interest in his thread. Let him post. No need to be a search function nazi.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mclevela,
I see you have 11 posts. Please use the search function. Here is a post, damn near exact title (round names are transposed) with three pages of discussion.
Link
Josh </div></div>
There is obviously interest in his thread. Let him post. No need to be a search function nazi.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you are so inclined you can send your rifle to Dallas Reloads and have them build a load for your rifle, then you have another source of match ammo. </div></div>
Thanks, Mike!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you are so inclined you can send your rifle to Dallas Reloads and have them build a load for your rifle, then you have another source of match ammo. </div></div>
Thanks, Mike!
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 6.5 Creedmoor has:
Better and affordable brass
Better and affordable Factory Match Loads
Actual Support from the maker as a match round, as opposed zero support for any purpose from Remington....
Other than that, they are equal. </div></div>
The 6.5 Creedmore is a great round, so I am not doggin' it. But the 260 will out run the factory creedmore, even if you hand load the creedmore. It lacks about 4-7 grains of powder capacity compared to the 260. If you search for other places for components instead of one of the most expensive places, the 260 will look much better cost wise. You can get 500 and 1K pieces for about $0.37 each for Rem 260 brass at Midway.
I can load any bullet you like, and get it to shoot very well in the 260. The factory options are not the best cost-wise or for match shooting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 6.5 Creedmoor has:
Better and affordable brass
Better and affordable Factory Match Loads
Actual Support from the maker as a match round, as opposed zero support for any purpose from Remington....
Other than that, they are equal. </div></div>
The 6.5 Creedmore is a great round, so I am not doggin' it. But the 260 will out run the factory creedmore, even if you hand load the creedmore. It lacks about 4-7 grains of powder capacity compared to the 260. If you search for other places for components instead of one of the most expensive places, the 260 will look much better cost wise. You can get 500 and 1K pieces for about $0.37 each for Rem 260 brass at Midway.
I can load any bullet you like, and get it to shoot very well in the 260. The factory options are not the best cost-wise or for match shooting.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because you can't "find" something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Black Hills match .260 is an excellent factory "match" round and if memory serves was not that expensive either. And the last time I spoke with George, he indicated to me that BH was going to continue to offer the 260 ammo. Corbon also makes a 260 with both a light or heavy bullet option. If you are so inclined you can send your rifle to Dallas Reloads and have them build a load for your rifle, then you have another source of match ammo.
Although Remington brass is by far not the best, there are MANY accomplished shooters here that used Remington 260 brass with great success. Just about everyone who competes here has shot the 260 in competition. In fact, one could argue that Rem brass is easier to find. There are also much better 260 brass selections. Nosler and Norma is better brass than Hornady. Also a majority of the 260 rounds use a Lapua 139gn Scenar, arguably the best 6.5 bullet available, or the 142 SMK, a bullet with more success than any other bullet out there.
Mag length with the 260 with the heavy bullets again is not a problem because MANY of the accomplished shooters here shot the 260 with a drop down mag with great success, for example Mr. Terry Cross. Anyone who says different doesn't know what they're talking about.
What it comes down to is do you want the latest flavor of the month or do you want last month's flavor? As far as ballistics go they're nearly identical. Match ammo is available for both. Reloading supplies are available for both.
What it comes down to is whether or not you want to say you shoot a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor. </div></div>
This is a helpful post.
Man I am teetering between these 2 rounds for my next build and am ready to take my components to the smith any day. I may end up making my decision while I drop it off!
Good news is from what I've read I can't go wrong with either.
There was a post from Terry C. that has me leaning toward the .260. He says mag length is not an issue and Win. 7-08 brass can be easily used and is pretty decent.
Then again, because of the better case design, the 6.5 Creedmoor may last longer even with the softer brass which would justify going with Hornady. I don't need to stoke it up because I would want consistancy with the factory stuff anyways.
One other thing that has me leaning toward the .260 is I think I can get away with a shorter barrel, however, I think I would pay the price in barrel life to do so.
In other words, I'm still stuck in the same delimna.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because you can't "find" something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Black Hills match .260 is an excellent factory "match" round and if memory serves was not that expensive either. And the last time I spoke with George, he indicated to me that BH was going to continue to offer the 260 ammo. Corbon also makes a 260 with both a light or heavy bullet option. If you are so inclined you can send your rifle to Dallas Reloads and have them build a load for your rifle, then you have another source of match ammo.
Although Remington brass is by far not the best, there are MANY accomplished shooters here that used Remington 260 brass with great success. Just about everyone who competes here has shot the 260 in competition. In fact, one could argue that Rem brass is easier to find. There are also much better 260 brass selections. Nosler and Norma is better brass than Hornady. Also a majority of the 260 rounds use a Lapua 139gn Scenar, arguably the best 6.5 bullet available, or the 142 SMK, a bullet with more success than any other bullet out there.
Mag length with the 260 with the heavy bullets again is not a problem because MANY of the accomplished shooters here shot the 260 with a drop down mag with great success, for example Mr. Terry Cross. Anyone who says different doesn't know what they're talking about.
What it comes down to is do you want the latest flavor of the month or do you want last month's flavor? As far as ballistics go they're nearly identical. Match ammo is available for both. Reloading supplies are available for both.
What it comes down to is whether or not you want to say you shoot a 260 or a 6.5 Creedmoor. </div></div>
This is a helpful post.
Man I am teetering between these 2 rounds for my next build and am ready to take my components to the smith any day. I may end up making my decision while I drop it off!
Good news is from what I've read I can't go wrong with either.
There was a post from Terry C. that has me leaning toward the .260. He says mag length is not an issue and Win. 7-08 brass can be easily used and is pretty decent.
Then again, because of the better case design, the 6.5 Creedmoor may last longer even with the softer brass which would justify going with Hornady. I don't need to stoke it up because I would want consistancy with the factory stuff anyways.
One other thing that has me leaning toward the .260 is I think I can get away with a shorter barrel, however, I think I would pay the price in barrel life to do so.
In other words, I'm still stuck in the same delimna.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
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It lacks about 4-7 grains of powder capacity compared to the 260. [/quote]
Is this true? I thought I read somewhere that they were very close in capacity to each other. About .5 grn water if I remember correctly.
Maybe you are thinking about the 6.5x47? I don't know what the difference is there but I know there is a difference.
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It lacks about 4-7 grains of powder capacity compared to the 260. [/quote]
Is this true? I thought I read somewhere that they were very close in capacity to each other. About .5 grn water if I remember correctly.
Maybe you are thinking about the 6.5x47? I don't know what the difference is there but I know there is a difference.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I was going to ask about that too as they both use about the same powder charges in the 42-44grns of H4350 to get similar velocities.
Chad what velocities are you getting with the .260 and the 140+grn bullets?
I was going to ask about that too as they both use about the same powder charges in the 42-44grns of H4350 to get similar velocities.
Chad what velocities are you getting with the .260 and the 140+grn bullets?
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
"6.5mm Shootout: .260 Remington vs. 6.5x47 Lapua vs. 6.5 Creedmoor"
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
"6.5mm Shootout: .260 Remington vs. 6.5x47 Lapua vs. 6.5 Creedmoor"
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I prefer the Winchester 7mm-08 brass to RP 260. Thanks to Terry Cross for the tip.
I've tried necking-up Lapua 243, but in my tests SD and ES were actually less with Winchester brass.
I prefer the Winchester 7mm-08 brass to RP 260. Thanks to Terry Cross for the tip.
I've tried necking-up Lapua 243, but in my tests SD and ES were actually less with Winchester brass.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well!
Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well!
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
43.5gr H4350, Win 7mm-08 brass, BR2 primer & 139gr Scenar. OAL 2.82".
Right at 2800fps with my 22" 1:8" twist Lilja.
This load is tough on brass though, so I'm going to experiment with 43.0gr of H4350 and also see what kind of velocities I can get with RL17.
43.5gr H4350, Win 7mm-08 brass, BR2 primer & 139gr Scenar. OAL 2.82".
Right at 2800fps with my 22" 1:8" twist Lilja.
This load is tough on brass though, so I'm going to experiment with 43.0gr of H4350 and also see what kind of velocities I can get with RL17.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
From this article:
6.5 Creedmoor
And I quote:
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF0000">The 6.5 Creedmoor could be described as a .260 Rem. modified
with a 0.11" shorter case, a sharper 30-degree shoulder, and less body taper. Full case capacity of the Creedmoor is 52.1 grs. of water, compared to 54.4 grs. for the .260 Rem. (both measurements taken using new, unfired cases). When match bullets are seated to 2.800" overall length (OAL) in both cartridges, however, the deeper bullet intrusion into the Remington case reduces the difference in effective capacity to only about 0.7 gr. </span></span>
So I don't see where a difference in case capacity of 4-7 grains in favor of the 260 comes from????
From this article:
6.5 Creedmoor
And I quote:
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF0000">The 6.5 Creedmoor could be described as a .260 Rem. modified
with a 0.11" shorter case, a sharper 30-degree shoulder, and less body taper. Full case capacity of the Creedmoor is 52.1 grs. of water, compared to 54.4 grs. for the .260 Rem. (both measurements taken using new, unfired cases). When match bullets are seated to 2.800" overall length (OAL) in both cartridges, however, the deeper bullet intrusion into the Remington case reduces the difference in effective capacity to only about 0.7 gr. </span></span>
So I don't see where a difference in case capacity of 4-7 grains in favor of the 260 comes from????
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well! </div></div>
The factory has dropped a little, 41.5grns of H4350 from 41.9grns, but you mentioned even reloading the .260 beat the 6.5 Creedmoor which is what I was wondering about. I get 2870fps with the 140 AMAX and 43grns of H4350 from my 28" barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well! </div></div>
The factory has dropped a little, 41.5grns of H4350 from 41.9grns, but you mentioned even reloading the .260 beat the 6.5 Creedmoor which is what I was wondering about. I get 2870fps with the 140 AMAX and 43grns of H4350 from my 28" barrel.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well! </div></div>
The factory has dropped a little, 41.5grns of H4350 from 41.9grns, but you mentioned even reloading the .260 beat the 6.5 Creedmoor which is what I was wondering about. I get 2870fps with the 140 AMAX and 43grns of H4350 from my 28" barrel. </div></div>
That's not bad! The pressure to do it with the creedmore will be higher than the 260, for sure. It's case is a little smaller internally. Is it a heavily compressed load?
I still have room to spare in the 260 case with about 43 grains. I thought about trying H1000 with a mag primer again now that I have some fire formed brass to my chamber. H4831 is another good one, but I've heard some large ES and SD numbers with most who use it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well! </div></div>
The factory has dropped a little, 41.5grns of H4350 from 41.9grns, but you mentioned even reloading the .260 beat the 6.5 Creedmoor which is what I was wondering about. I get 2870fps with the 140 AMAX and 43grns of H4350 from my 28" barrel. </div></div>
That's not bad! The pressure to do it with the creedmore will be higher than the 260, for sure. It's case is a little smaller internally. Is it a heavily compressed load?
I still have room to spare in the 260 case with about 43 grains. I thought about trying H1000 with a mag primer again now that I have some fire formed brass to my chamber. H4831 is another good one, but I've heard some large ES and SD numbers with most who use it.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Not heavily compressed at all. Got 4 loads on brass with that load and it's not very high pressure. The original factory load of 41.9grns was relatively low pressure so I don't see 1.1grns bumping it up into the hot zone.
Not heavily compressed at all. Got 4 loads on brass with that load and it's not very high pressure. The original factory load of 41.9grns was relatively low pressure so I don't see 1.1grns bumping it up into the hot zone.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues </div></div>
I've gone through a LOT of RP 260 brass since my first 260 Remington barrel in 2004. I'm finding now I prefer the Winchester 7mm-08 brass instead.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues </div></div>
I've gone through a LOT of RP 260 brass since my first 260 Remington barrel in 2004. I'm finding now I prefer the Winchester 7mm-08 brass instead.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Once I fire form the Rem brass, it is very good brass. I don't like the virgin brass, since the necks have different surface tensions. The 7-08 brass is also good. It will give you a little more case volume than the Rem brass. You won't need the extra case volume, unless you run a very slow powder.
Once I fire form the Rem brass, it is very good brass. I don't like the virgin brass, since the necks have different surface tensions. The 7-08 brass is also good. It will give you a little more case volume than the Rem brass. You won't need the extra case volume, unless you run a very slow powder.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I understand the distress of choosing a caliber. Especially when your poor like me and can only do it once. I actually clled the smith back after I had speced my rifle out to make the change to .260 Luckily he had not started it yet. Even now I stress every time I see someone has a different twist or different barrel length.....
Just looking at all the posts with this same kind of quandry it shows I am not alone.
Good Luck!
I understand the distress of choosing a caliber. Especially when your poor like me and can only do it once. I actually clled the smith back after I had speced my rifle out to make the change to .260 Luckily he had not started it yet. Even now I stress every time I see someone has a different twist or different barrel length.....
Just looking at all the posts with this same kind of quandry it shows I am not alone.
Good Luck!
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Yes, my big delima was 7mm-08 or 260. Had I thought about the 284 Win, I might have gone that route.
Yes, my big delima was 7mm-08 or 260. Had I thought about the 284 Win, I might have gone that route.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I decided on the 260 mostly due to the availability of brass near me. I can run to Cabelas and pick it up right there. A buddy of mine had also told me that the only one making dies for the creed was Hornady and the quality was somewhat lacking. As I trust him I took his word for it and went the 260 route. Just my .02 worth
I decided on the 260 mostly due to the availability of brass near me. I can run to Cabelas and pick it up right there. A buddy of mine had also told me that the only one making dies for the creed was Hornady and the quality was somewhat lacking. As I trust him I took his word for it and went the 260 route. Just my .02 worth
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grmroper001</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A buddy of mine had also told me that the only one making dies for the creed was Hornady and the quality was somewhat lacking.</div></div>
Your friend is very wrong on the quality.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grmroper001</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A buddy of mine had also told me that the only one making dies for the creed was Hornady and the quality was somewhat lacking.</div></div>
Your friend is very wrong on the quality.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I have always liked hornady products, did not mean anything to the contrary. Went down to CA. a month ago and got talking to my buddy. It was only his opinion and as I am pretty new to gun "stuff" I took his opinion for what it was worth. FYI all my reloading stuff is hornady save for my dies.
I have always liked hornady products, did not mean anything to the contrary. Went down to CA. a month ago and got talking to my buddy. It was only his opinion and as I am pretty new to gun "stuff" I took his opinion for what it was worth. FYI all my reloading stuff is hornady save for my dies.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I'd choose 260 for the single fact that I can make brass to my hearts content from any number of sources as well as buy first rate brass made right down the street. If I were buying only factory ammo I'd choose Creedmore.
I'd choose 260 for the single fact that I can make brass to my hearts content from any number of sources as well as buy first rate brass made right down the street. If I were buying only factory ammo I'd choose Creedmore.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well! </div></div>
The factory has dropped a little, 41.5grns of H4350 from 41.9grns, but you mentioned even reloading the .260 beat the 6.5 Creedmoor which is what I was wondering about. I get 2870fps with the 140 AMAX and 43grns of H4350 from my 28" barrel. </div></div>
That's not bad! The pressure to do it with the creedmore will be higher than the 260, for sure. It's case is a little smaller internally. Is it a heavily compressed load?
I still have room to spare in the 260 case with about 43 grains. I thought about trying H1000 with a mag primer again now that I have some fire formed brass to my chamber. H4831 is another good one, but I've heard some large ES and SD numbers with most who use it. </div></div>
Chad
I use H4831SC and 139s in 5 260s. I average round 7 to 9 on SDS. Most of them have different barrel lengths and twist. Here is the lengths, twist rate and fps. I've tried the H4350 but getting the same reults with higher pressures.
24" 8 twist 2797 bartlein
26" 8 twist 2840 kreiger
26" 8.5 twist 2870 bartlien My son shot a 199 15X at a match with this one at 600 yards.
30" 8.5 twist 2960 bartlien
30" 8 twist 2840 broughton tight bore
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob, I'm running about 43 grains of H4350 at 2820 fps with a 140 VLD in a 28" barrel. I can go higher in fps, but the accuracy, SD and ES numbers were smoking. At the Shreveport match, Kevin's creedmore was running right at 2700 fps with, IIRC, 38+ grains of H4350. He said they were running about 2800 before, but the factory backed off some.
I was very impressed with the creedmore, though. Kevin shot it very well! </div></div>
The factory has dropped a little, 41.5grns of H4350 from 41.9grns, but you mentioned even reloading the .260 beat the 6.5 Creedmoor which is what I was wondering about. I get 2870fps with the 140 AMAX and 43grns of H4350 from my 28" barrel. </div></div>
That's not bad! The pressure to do it with the creedmore will be higher than the 260, for sure. It's case is a little smaller internally. Is it a heavily compressed load?
I still have room to spare in the 260 case with about 43 grains. I thought about trying H1000 with a mag primer again now that I have some fire formed brass to my chamber. H4831 is another good one, but I've heard some large ES and SD numbers with most who use it. </div></div>
Chad
I use H4831SC and 139s in 5 260s. I average round 7 to 9 on SDS. Most of them have different barrel lengths and twist. Here is the lengths, twist rate and fps. I've tried the H4350 but getting the same reults with higher pressures.
24" 8 twist 2797 bartlein
26" 8 twist 2840 kreiger
26" 8.5 twist 2870 bartlien My son shot a 199 15X at a match with this one at 600 yards.
30" 8.5 twist 2960 bartlien
30" 8 twist 2840 broughton tight bore
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point. </div></div>
...LoL...!!!...what I took form that article was that the 6.5 Creedmore was the pick of the litter...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point. </div></div>
...LoL...!!!...what I took form that article was that the 6.5 Creedmore was the pick of the litter...
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point.</div></div>
That was sort of my point. Zak makes it clear that this isn't a "this vs that" scenario. They're all good rounds and they all launch a very accurate, very efficient bullet very fast. Whatever reason YOU have for making whatever choice YOU decide YOU want from the 3, you're not going to be making a mistake.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point.</div></div>
That was sort of my point. Zak makes it clear that this isn't a "this vs that" scenario. They're all good rounds and they all launch a very accurate, very efficient bullet very fast. Whatever reason YOU have for making whatever choice YOU decide YOU want from the 3, you're not going to be making a mistake.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point.</div></div>
That was sort of my point. Zak makes it clear that this isn't a "this vs that" scenario. They're all good rounds and they all launch a very accurate, very efficient bullet very fast. Whatever reason YOU have for making whatever choice YOU decide YOU want from the 3, you're not going to be making a mistake. </div></div>
I'll second that. Really, we should all be happy we have such quandaries.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cartman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would think Zak's article would kill off a lot of these threads, and yet they persist. I guess we hate not being able to just pick a single winner and declare the remainder losers.
</div></div>
I actually walked away from Smith's article wanting the 6.5x47L because of the brass issues so I don't know that it is a slam dunk .260rem for everyone.
But it sure seems like that article should be a starting point.</div></div>
That was sort of my point. Zak makes it clear that this isn't a "this vs that" scenario. They're all good rounds and they all launch a very accurate, very efficient bullet very fast. Whatever reason YOU have for making whatever choice YOU decide YOU want from the 3, you're not going to be making a mistake. </div></div>
I'll second that. Really, we should all be happy we have such quandaries.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
Yes. Honestly, they are all good rounds. The differences in barrels alone could gain or lose some velocity to any of the calibers.
Yes. Honestly, they are all good rounds. The differences in barrels alone could gain or lose some velocity to any of the calibers.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes. Honestly, they are all good rounds. The differences in barrels alone could gain or lose some velocity to any of the calibers. </div></div>
...that is pretty much what I was thinking, that the variations in performacne between different rifles might be as large as the variations between the three rounds in question...
...of course, if "all things were equal", we might have a <span style="font-style: italic">live </span>horse to beat, but since when have all things ever been equal...???...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes. Honestly, they are all good rounds. The differences in barrels alone could gain or lose some velocity to any of the calibers. </div></div>
...that is pretty much what I was thinking, that the variations in performacne between different rifles might be as large as the variations between the three rounds in question...
...of course, if "all things were equal", we might have a <span style="font-style: italic">live </span>horse to beat, but since when have all things ever been equal...???...
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
These to rounds are about the same. It is trading apples for apples. I don't think there is any advantage that the 2 rounds have over each other. They are great long range performers. Speeds that one guy might say may not be what you will get due to barrels. We could tell you the Creedmoor is the best and the fastest. Then you build a Creedmoor and it isn't as fast as your buddies 260. Also the other way around.
The bottom line is like Mike said early. Which one do you want to say you shoot because they both are great shooters.
These to rounds are about the same. It is trading apples for apples. I don't think there is any advantage that the 2 rounds have over each other. They are great long range performers. Speeds that one guy might say may not be what you will get due to barrels. We could tell you the Creedmoor is the best and the fastest. Then you build a Creedmoor and it isn't as fast as your buddies 260. Also the other way around.
The bottom line is like Mike said early. Which one do you want to say you shoot because they both are great shooters.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I'm going 6.5 Creedmoor I can't wait to see how the match Hornady load of 41.5 grs H4350 and the 139 Lapua Scenar do. They have a better BC than the 140 A-Max
I'm going 6.5 Creedmoor I can't wait to see how the match Hornady load of 41.5 grs H4350 and the 139 Lapua Scenar do. They have a better BC than the 140 A-Max
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
I've had great results with the Nosler .260 brass. I realize its pricey, but frankly the great performance, and the fact that it is READY TO LOAD[ therefore a great timesaver for me ] makes me a great fan of the stuff.
I load both Remington and Nosler brass, and while the Remington stuff shoots fine for close range practice, when I shoot 10 shot groups, especially over 100 yards, I see my groups open up with Rem, and tiny clusters with the Nosler.
I've had great results with the Nosler .260 brass. I realize its pricey, but frankly the great performance, and the fact that it is READY TO LOAD[ therefore a great timesaver for me ] makes me a great fan of the stuff.
I load both Remington and Nosler brass, and while the Remington stuff shoots fine for close range practice, when I shoot 10 shot groups, especially over 100 yards, I see my groups open up with Rem, and tiny clusters with the Nosler.
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor VS. .260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will Fennell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">when I shoot 10 shot groups, especially over 100 yards, I see my groups open up with Rem, and tiny clusters with the Nosler. </div></div>
Now that's interesting...
This option for better brass isn't there with the Creedmoor.
So, for those out there who know, is there a problem getting a .260 + 140 grn bullet into a AICS mag? Or is this a non-issue.
Also, is going with a shorter barrel easier to do with a .260 than a Creedmoor?
Thanks,
Jeff
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will Fennell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">when I shoot 10 shot groups, especially over 100 yards, I see my groups open up with Rem, and tiny clusters with the Nosler. </div></div>
Now that's interesting...
This option for better brass isn't there with the Creedmoor.
So, for those out there who know, is there a problem getting a .260 + 140 grn bullet into a AICS mag? Or is this a non-issue.
Also, is going with a shorter barrel easier to do with a .260 than a Creedmoor?
Thanks,
Jeff
