While I agree with what you're saying about how the smoothness of an action does not make it any more accurate, I have to say that a smooth action is a whole lot nicer to have than one that tends to bind up if ran really hard. For instance, I have owned several custom actions and know that between the TL3 and a 737/NBK.. the Impact actions are a lot less finnicky when it comes to running the bolt hard. Now the TL3 is smooth, but you have to learn how it likes to be ran, and once you do it's a fantastic action with a ton of great features. The only thing is that if you're in a situation where you get super excited or under a lot of pressure to get a second shot off quickly, the Impact actions simply do not care and are practically immune to any type of binding, while the TL3 has a tendency to hang up unless you put downward pressure on the bolt handle.. I know if you train enough, you should not have any problems with any action you go with.. but I have to disagree that there are no positives to owning the "smoothest" action available. (Just my opinion)
Not arguing any of that, but is the ability to feed more consistently due to the smoothness, or the inherent (perhaps superior) overall design?
I'd argue that the smoothness is due to the superior overall design.
Fair enough.
If you are looking for a lightweight action, there really is no reason to go with a Titanium one unless you just want to spend more money.. Actions like the Renegade, Nanook, or the NBK will be your best bet for a lighter, more hunting friendly build that aren't $1800 or more.
I have two anti x actions and they are extremely smooth. I am very happy with both and they both feel smoothly. One long and one short, my short is in a 6.5 PRC paired with a Badger bottom metal and hawkins magazines.
The TL3 doesn't bind when you run it hard. It binds when you run it like a moron. You can bind an Impact by running it the same way. Lift up on a Impact bolt knob when the bolt is completely to the rear and try to push it forward. Bind'y. Same shit.
This is just false. Look around this website and you'll find many people that complain about the feel of the TL3 and how easily it binds unless you run it a certain way. I've owned several Impacts and simply can't get them to bind in any way. I'm not even an Impact fanboy either, I don't even own any Impact actions anymore.. I switched over to a Terminus and love it, but it still doesn't feel as nice as a 737 or NBK.
Obviously we have a Zermatt shill among us here. I never said that Ti actions weigh the same as a Nanook or NBK. But we're talking about 4 oz of weight savings and having to give $400 more just to get it. Unless you just want to spend more money, I personally don't think the Ti actions are worth going for. But that's the thing about opinions, it's just my 2 cents and you don't have to agree with it.
I like this compact length with the extra case capacity. I look at it like if you're going for a longer action, you can get a lot more case capacity than a 6.5 prc.
Why not? Short actions have a lot of advantages compared to a long action. Less weight, shorter overall length, better feel, less expensive, better stock/chassis options, etc. I understand that a medium action is probably best for a 6.5 PRC, but those have only been around for a few minutes and have not really caught on just yet. Only issue you'll have with running a 6.5 PRC in a short action is if you stretch the COAL to the max.
I agree, if you're gonna go for a long action you might as well go for a cartridge that's meant for the long action. The beauty of the 6.5 PRC is that it can be shoved into a short action.
I actually ment to say "why are people building 6.5 PRCs on LONG actions?"
May as well go straight to cheytac by that logic?
Shill. I have zero respect for people that use this word. This is a social media word. No one actually says this in a face to face conversation I can tell you're the type of person that is heavily influenced by excessive screen time on social media and repeats things they see online. I bet you say, "that slaps", and "hits different", "my guy".
I have zero respect for bums who talk big on a forum behind a screen. You say that no one says the word "shill" in a face to face conversation, too bad this isn't one of those. You reek of short man syndrome buddy. Go take a shower, shill.
Really dope rifle man, pretty close to how mine is set up. I went with an 18” Sendero Light in 6.5 Creed because I do more coyote hunting than anything, but also use it for Whitetails. Built off a Terminus Apollo action so it wouldn’t interfere with my N-Vision Nox 35 thermal when I throw it on for night hunting.
Just what this forum needs. Another dickweed who started shooting long range 5 years ago and puts his military service in his signature. I bet your going to be all these threads with your new guy opinions now. Do the rest of us a favor and delete your account
My brother in Christ, you are a sure enough pussy talking all this trash over absolutely nothing. You don't even allow people to view your profile for crying out loud! Do the rest of us a favor and castrate yourself.
I just hate your face.
Internet bad names??? Holy shit dude you're such a loser, I honestly feel bad at this point. You sure are a certified goof!
Okay, let's keep it going then....fucko
It is pretty neligible. But when you're building those light rifles the only way to break a certain glass ceiling is to pay a premium for 2 to 3 oz in every component. Most custom actions weigh between 29 and 32 oz. So you could make the same argument with these $1,500 " light" steel actions that only save you about 3 or 4 oz in the middle of a road approach that they're taking. Your average carbon fiber stock weighs 28 to 30 oz. A. 26-in carbon fiber sendero weighs about 3 lb. 4 oz. If you use 80% of the light'ish components out there, almost regardless of what you choose, you're going to end up with a 10 -11 lb rifle once it is scoped up, suppressed, with a bipod. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that setup. To be honest, I think the sweet spot for long range carry'ability and ease of shooting the same zero in various positions you might find yourself while hunting is between 10 and 12 lb.
You will need to fiddle with feed lip width to make that work good. I had the same setup in a manners prs1 mini chassis. With accurate 300wsm mags, the top rd in mag would pinch empty ejecting cases at rear top corner of ejection port. Talked to zermatt and they confirmed that is an issue and that the feed lips need bent on to hold top rd down. Only issue was there wasn't alot of bolt face/top rd overlap to begin with. If their ejection port had square corners it wouldn't have been an issue, but they have a trapezoidal shape in top rear corner. Empty cases partially ejected and were caught there, looked like a trap gun that was set to catch empties.
