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700Pss/ SPSTactical .223-safe to shoot 5.56 M855

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I searched this on the hide, really couldn't find a sort of straight forward answer.
Who has experience using this round in a 700 bolt gun, heavy barrel such as the Pss and SPS Tactical?
I believe its a pressure issue, based on chamber space.
The pile of M855 I have mics. @ 2.250, I reload .223 to 2.215.
Like Paul Harvey said "now the rest of the story"
Too dangerous to shoot in these guns, or ?
Thanks, JOE
 
Re: 700Pss/ SPSTactical .223-safe to shoot 5.56 M855

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MediaPages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=316

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is 5.56mm safe in my .223 Remington?

The .223 Remington is a sporting cartridge with the same external dimensions as the 5.56x45mm NATO military cartridge. It is loaded with a .224" diameter, jacketed bullet, with weights ranging from 40 up to 90 grains, though the most common load by far is 55 grains.

The primary differences between .223 Remington and 5.56 x 45 mm (NATO) are that .223 Remington is loaded to lower pressures and velocities compared to 5.56 NATO and the 5.56 NATO chamber has a longer leade. .223 Remington ammunition can be safely fired in a 5.56 NATO chambered gun, but the reverse can be an unsafe combination. The additional pressure created by 5.56 NATO ammo will frequently cause over-pressure problems such as flowing brass, difficult extraction, or popped/punctured primers, but in extreme cases, could damage or destroy the firearm. Chambers cut to .223 Remington specifications have a shorter leade (throat) area as well as slightly shorter headspace dimensions compared to 5.56 NATO "military" chamber specs, which contributes to the pressure issues.

While the 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington cartridges are very similar, they are not identical. Military cases are made with thicker brass in the web area than commercial cases, which reduces the powder capacity (an important consideration for handloaders), and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. Test barrels made for 5.56 NATO cartridge measure chamber pressure at the case mouth, as opposed to the SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer’s Institute) location. This difference accounts for upwards of 20,000+ psi difference in pressure measurements. That means that advertised pressure of 58,000 psi for 5.56 NATO, is around 78,000 psi tested in .223 Remington test barrels. SAAMI .223 Rem Proof MAP is 78,500 psi so every 5.56 NATO round fired is basically a proof load, potentially very dangerous. The 5.56 NATO chambers, also known as mil-spec chambers, have a longer leade, which is the distance between the mouth of the cartridge and the point at which the bullet engages the rifling of the barrel. The .223 Remington chambering, known as the "SAAMI chamber", is allowed to have a shorter leade, and is only required to be proof tested to the lower SAAMI chamber pressure. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber, used by Rock River Arms or the Armalite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington equally well.

Using commercial .223 Remington cartridges in a 5.56 NATO chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223 Remington chambered firearm due to the excessive leade. Using 5.56 NATO mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223 Remington chambered firearm can lead to excessive wear and stress and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice. Some commercial fireams marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56 NATO, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14, but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it. Signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or puncturing of the primers) should also be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56 NATO ammunition.
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Re: 700Pss/ SPSTactical .223-safe to shoot 5.56 M855

Man, thanks for what appears to be a difinitive answer. Easy to understand the mechanics. It is hard for me not to believe that somewhere someone is chambering a military 5.56 round in a Bolt gun without even giving thought before pulling the trigger.
There was a time when I just assumed they were one and the same round. I read a small article about some firearms mfrs. commented that their firearm would shoot both, so I began to question these two rounds differences, It appears it's not the rounds its the guns?
Never found any info. on the Remington's which led to the post.
 
Re: 700Pss/ SPSTactical .223-safe to shoot 5.56 M855

Remington bolt guns have a very long throat.

I sent them the very same question and was politely ignored.

I have fired a few round of both 55 grain and 62 grain ball ammo and checked for pressure signs (sps tactical). There were no sign of excessive pressure.
 
Holy necro thread but I too am looking for a definitive answer on the 700 sps tac firing 5.56.Iv sent remington 2 emails and recieved no reply as to whether they can handle the pressure.Anyone got a definite answer ?
 
I've ran 5.56 in a sps tac with no issues, not saying all can without issue trying is the only way to find out. Aside from ignoring anything CTD says it's is the safe lawyer answer on their 223 vs 5.56.
 
Mine never had trouble with 5.56 loads. No sticky bolt lift, round primer edges, and nothing else that indicated excessive pressure.
 
Remington would probably say DONT DO IT...I know Savage says as much for their 223s (and new Savage 223s have freebore *well* beyond SAAMI 223 Rem).

THAT SAID, I'd guess many handloaders run pressures in excess of loaded milsurp 5.56.
 
The only place I would really worry about it is in an AR with a .223 match chamber.
5.56 loads are pushing the envelope for the AR bolt, plenty of meat to a model 700/savage bolt head, besides the fact that the aforementioned chambers normally have a generous throat.