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A hero deserves her own post…..

For reference...at those water temps, you are losing dexterity almost instantly...are hypothermic to the point of exhaustion in <15mins, and are are dead not long after.

Water rescue is incredibly dangerous, especially without training and equipment...and cold water rescue, that risk doubles.

Officer didn't do good...Officer did great.

But with children there is an almost miraculous survival potential when rewarming is done correctly (i.e. ECMO even if clinically dead) not seen in adults. 100% worth the risk.

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In the paediatric population, submersion injury with drowning or near-drowning represents a significant cause of morbidity and mortality. This study reviews retrospectively our own experiences and the literature on the use of cardiopulmonary bypass (CPB) to rewarm paediatric victims of cold water submersion who suffer severe hypothermia (<28 °C) and cardiac arrest (asystole or ventricular fibrillation). In addition to three children treated at our institution, nine other victims were found in the literature. In this cohort of 12 children aged between 2 and 12 years, there was a tendency to better outcome with lower core temperature at the beginning of extracorporeal circulation (mean temperature in nine survivors, 20 °C; in three non-survivors, 25.5 °C). The lowest temperature survived was 16 °C. Neither base excess, pH nor serum potassium levels were reliable prognostic factors. The lowest base excess in a survivor was −36.5 mmol/l, the lowest pH 6.29. We consider CPB as the method of choice for resuscitation and rewarming of children with severe accidental hypothermia and cardiac arrest (asystole or ventricular fibrillation). Compared with adults, children, especially smaller ones, require special consideration with regard to intravenous cannulation as drainage can be inadequate using femoral–femoral cannulation. In hypothermic children we advocate, therefore, emergency median sternotomy. Until more information regarding prognostic factors are available, children who are severely hypothermic and clinically dead after submersion in cold water—even if for an unknown length of time—should receive cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) and be transported without delay to a facility with capabilities for CPB instituted via a median sternotomy.
 
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That is just an every winter occurrence in us in MN. Likely happens hundreds of times a season. As kids we would either self-rescue and/or help each other out. Just part of playing outside in winter on lakes and ponds. Have to know how to read the ice and plan to react if it is sketchy. Avoid being on the ice if dangerous. Only a big deal in this incident as it was a female trooper. Girl-power.
 
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That is just an every winter occurrence in us in MN. Likely happens hundreds of times a season. As kids we would either self-rescue and/or help each other out. Just part of playing outside in winter on lakes and ponds. Have to know how to read the ice and plan to react if it is sketchy. Avoid being on the ice if dangerous. Only a big deal in this incident as it was a female trooper. Girl-power.
Man shut the fuck up with that garbage. Any time a child almost drowns fucking around on thin ice is a big deal in my book. They don't always make it. Trooper did her job, you're the fuckwit making it about girl power. Nobody else in this thread cares about the troopers genitalia...well not having seen them anyway. Point being quit fucking up a heart warming story.
 
Thanks for posting that, I saw it earlier and didnt post because os so many damn cop haters.

Officer has a bigger pair than all of them in Uvalde.
You're full of shit. You start threads on every fucking thing that hits your Google news feed. Self aggrandizing is not very becoming.
 
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Man shut the fuck up with that garbage. Any time a child almost drowns fucking around on thin ice is a big deal in my book. They don't always make it. Trooper did her job, you're the fuckwit making it about girl power. Nobody else in this thread cares about the troopers genitalia...well not having seen them anyway. Point being quit fucking up a heart warming story.

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Shirley you could do better than that. A guy that pretends for a living? Well, maybe not
That really doesnt deserve a reply, but I have a tender place for autistic retards and wouldnt want you to feel slighted.
 
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"Being a good person" is picking up litter and returning a found wallet.

So yeah, risking your life to save a drowning child from water cold enough to kill you in minutes is pretty fucking "heroic".
I guess we all look at things through our own lenses. I looked at it and thought "why wouldn't someone do that?" That is a myopic way of looking at something though, isn't it.
 
I guess we all look at things through our own lenses. I looked at it and thought "why wouldn't someone do that?" That is a myopic way of looking at something though, isn't it.
Well yes, but only because as ThatYankee so succinctly put it,

There's three groups of people. Those that freeze, those that run away and those that take action. Doesn't matter if they wear a badge or gender.

If you are a person that takes action, you’ll likely think like you did. There are many more that freeze into inaction or just take a video of it to post on Utube.
 
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there are plenty of reason why a person wouldnt...
  • cant swim
  • they are afraid
  • they are indifferent
  • they feel its too dangerous
  • they panicked

...some of those are valid reasons...some a little less so...but generally, your average person is not jumping in a freezing lake to save someone they dont know...that officer could have sat there and just called the FD to come deal with it, and probably not suffered any real repercussions...i dont know her job description, but im going to guess that water rescue isnt in it.

but the first thing they teach you in any emergency response course is rarely is anyone going to act first...everyone is going to stand around until someone tells them what to do...

thats why you dont say "someone call 911" you say "you, in the blue shirt, call 911"....."you, in the red jacket, get the med kit"....

and never assume what YOU would do, is what your average person is going to do.
You speak truth.
 
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there are plenty of reason why a person wouldnt...
  • cant swim
  • they are afraid
  • they are indifferent
  • they feel its too dangerous
  • they panicked

...some of those are valid reasons...some a little less so...but generally, your average person is not jumping in a freezing lake to save someone they dont know...that officer could have sat there and just called the FD to come deal with it, and probably not suffered any real repercussions...i dont know her job description, but im going to guess that water rescue isnt in it.

but the first thing they teach you in any emergency response course is rarely is anyone going to act first...everyone is going to stand around until someone tells them what to do...

thats why you dont say "someone call 911" you say "you, in the blue shirt, call 911"....."you, in the red jacket, get the med kit"....

and never assume what YOU would do, is what your average person is going to do.
Sure, but what if there’s no one in a blue shirt?
 
You're full of shit. You start threads on every fucking thing that hits your Google news feed. Self aggrandizing is not very becoming.
You missed the part about the thread being started- typically- 3 days after the first thread in the pit about the topic…
 
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there are plenty of reason why a person wouldnt...
  • cant swim
  • they are afraid
  • they are indifferent
  • they feel its too dangerous
  • they panicked

...some of those are valid reasons...some a little less so...but generally, your average person is not jumping in a freezing lake to save someone they dont know...that officer could have sat there and just called the FD to come deal with it, and probably not suffered any real repercussions...i dont know her job description, but im going to guess that water rescue isnt in it.

but the first thing they teach you in any emergency response course is rarely is anyone going to act first...everyone is going to stand around until someone tells them what to do...

thats why you dont say "someone call 911" you say "you, in the blue shirt, call 911"....."you, in the red jacket, get the med kit"....

and never assume what YOU would do, is what your average person is going to do.

Saw this in action at Sig Sauer.

Before the class starts people are assigned emergency response duties - one guy calls 911, two guys are to take cars to the gate to escort EMS in, someone with first responder training is the first aid guy.

Class a year ago, we are firing and the instructors makes an “ugh” sound and face plants.

I thought he took a round.

Everyone runs over and stands around him.

Doctor, real doctor, rolls him to recovery. I ask who is making the call? Dude reaches in his pocket and gets out his phone. I ask who is getting to the gate? That’s when the two dudes assigned that task decided to do their thing.

Even assigned a duty people won’t act as the whole scenario seems unreal.

Instructor has existing heart issues, dehydration and meds had him go low BP and pass out. Doc maintained his vitals I get his lower extremities elevated He came out of it soon after.
 
Right now some of the local statists gov thugs are pulling a snowmobile pilot out of the lake near my father, enforcing their authority of no swimming during winter. Bunch of facists.

I've had it.