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Activists Upset as Black Family Sells ‘Reparations’ Land Back to Government

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Activists are upset that the Bruce family, which received oceanfront property last year that was unjustly taken from its forebears by the government, has now sold it back to Los Angeles County for $20 million.

As Breitbart News reported in 2021, the story of the Bruce family was a compelling case for restitution:

The owners, Willa and Charles Bruce, purchased the land in 1912 and created a beach resort catering to black clients before the city used eminent domain to seize the property.
The land was dormant for decades until the city built a park in 1960 and later renamed it Bruce’s Beach. Descendants of Willa and Charles Bruce sued, claiming the eminent domain program was racially motivated.
The land was seized by the city of Manhattan Beach, then transferred to the state, then to Los Angeles County.
Finally, in 2022, the land was returned to the descendants of the Bruce family in an emotional public ceremony.
However, the New York Times reports, the family then decided to sell the land back to the county, given the difficulty of developing the beachfront property, and the fact that the asset could be turned quickly into cash.
That has left some activists disappointed, and has complicated the debate about broader racial reparations:
The Bruces’ decision to sell has stirred fresh debate about the goals and methods of reparations, just as those efforts have been gaining traction at universities and local governments.
Activists who had helped the Bruces secure the land, and other observers, were disappointed that the family decided not to hold onto it and try to reclaim the vision of their ancestors.
“Say it ain’t so,” Tavis Smiley said on his radio show. “It was the quintessential example, to my mind at least, of how reparations should work. And many of us were heartened by this rare public example of government doing right by Black folk.”
The activists apparently fail to distinguish between reparations for past wrongs in the abstract, and restitution to account for specific damages to specific people, in this case the racially-motivated seizure of private property.
California and some local governments — including the City of San Francisco — are currently debating reparations for slavery, even though California was not a slave state and entered the U.S. as a free state in 1850.

"VE VILL TELL YOU VHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO VITH YOUR REPARATIONS! VE VANT OUR CUT!
 
So the woke white (probably female or identifying) idiots want to tell the black people what they can do with their own land?

Sounds just like... oh right, straightforward racism.
 

Activists are upset that the Bruce family, which received oceanfront property last year that was unjustly taken from its forebears by the government, has now sold it back to Los Angeles County for $20 million.

As Breitbart News reported in 2021, the story of the Bruce family was a compelling case for restitution:



The land was seized by the city of Manhattan Beach, then transferred to the state, then to Los Angeles County.
Finally, in 2022, the land was returned to the descendants of the Bruce family in an emotional public ceremony.
However, the New York Times reports, the family then decided to sell the land back to the county, given the difficulty of developing the beachfront property, and the fact that the asset could be turned quickly into cash.
That has left some activists disappointed, and has complicated the debate about broader racial reparations:

The activists apparently fail to distinguish between reparations for past wrongs in the abstract, and restitution to account for specific damages to specific people, in this case the racially-motivated seizure of private property.
California and some local governments — including the City of San Francisco — are currently debating reparations for slavery, even though California was not a slave state and entered the U.S. as a free state in 1850.

"VE VILL TELL YOU VHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO VITH YOUR REPARATIONS! VE VANT OUR CUT!

No way they could have afforded the development or taxes.
 
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I wonder if anyone involved is going to learn any sort of economic lesson from this?
 
I wish somebody would have stolen my family’s shit 3-4 generations ago. Too bad they were busy manifest destiny-ing like a muh-fucker.
 
Whose side are we on here? I’m confused.
— a white Liberal.
 
Some tribes chose war and were conquered. Some tribes chose to negotiate with with the Gov't. There is a pretty big distinction.
The gov’t had their fingers crossed during the negotiation. No one told the NA that they were at war…
 
I’m waiting for the cast of characters to be announced. The Portuguese and Coastal African tribes for raiding the interior and capturing the slaves. The Dutch, Portuguese, French, Spanish, Danes, and British for buying and transporting them to the Americas (primarily Brazil) and the Spanish, French, Portuguese, and British for buying them.

I figure if everyone kicks in their share we got this thing licked.
 
No. They got conquered. Sucks to suck.
Evidently that doesn't matter. These morons set the precident. I think anyone who believes in "reparations" or receives any should get their money and then hand over any property deeds to Native Americans as they pack their shit and get on a boat.
 
So the woke white (probably female or identifying) idiots want to tell the black people what they can do with their own land?

Sounds just like... oh right, straightforward racism.

If that isn't proof that progressives see blacks as nothing but slaves, I don't know what it.
 
now it would be funny if anyone getting reparations of 5 million had to pay the full taxes on that money + back taxes going back 200 years lol and if you do get land you had to pay the taxes on that as well
 
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The property owners are fucking brilliant.

Do you have any idea of the taxes on $20 mil in property in California? Try $160,000 to $200K a year. Property insurance in a flood zone? Probably another $100K. Drug addict hobos squatting endlessly means hiring private security.

They recovered something that was lost three generations ago, sold it back to the person they recovered it from and get to live like ghetto kings for a decade before they go broke. They now can open that recording studio or shoe store they have always dreamed of.

The activists wanted it to be made into a blacks only beach to keep whitey from bothering them. It would have more gunfire that the Normandy beaches if that had happened.
 
I’m waiting for the cast of characters to be announced. The Portuguese and Coastal African tribes for raiding the interior and capturing the slaves. The Dutch, Portuguese, French, Spanish, Danes, and British for buying and transporting them to the Americas (primarily Brazil) and the Spanish, French, Portuguese, and British for buying them.

I figure if everyone kicks in their share we got this thing licked.

You forgot the Arab slave traders and the African blacks themselves who happily captured and sold members of opposing or weaker tribes into slavery.

It’s what humans did for thousands of years… and still do. All over the Gulf States.

And don’t forget “indentured servitude..”. Plenty of poor Irish, Scots and Brits ended up that way.

And while we are at it, giving POW’s to families to work was a thing all through WW2 right here in America.

Well, on the Bruce park, I have no issue with this decision or settlement. Their land was wrongly taken using the legal means of eminent domain. BUT… the seizure was not so the city could improve the property or build a railway or something for the public good. It was to deprive a black family of land and there is paperwork to prove it. Eminent domain was wrongly used. It got resolved, albeit late, in courts. And the family sold its property back. That’s not reparations. That is a clear cut case of restitution of property that was wrongly seized by misuse of a statute.

So shall we play a game?

Under those same guidelines, how many Southern families should get the descendants of their property returned to them to sell or put back to work? The single largest asset, by dollar value, in the Antebellum South was slaves. Land was almost worthless. There was more than anyone knew what to do with. And without the labor to improve it… it was almost worthless.

So the value in the south was labor. And the land/crops/industries in the South were not profitable under a wage structure. So slaves were “the” most important asset if the southern colonies (and later states) were to thrive or even survive.

But in c. 1863, Those assets were snatched from the property-owning families by executive fiat and only years AFTER the property was taken did the state (aka federal government) create the legal framework for doing so with Legislation and, later, Constitutional Amendments. And the removal of slaves from their owners was clearly and documentably racially and politically motivated.

The removal was in the tens of billions… maybe trillions.. in todays dollars.

Now some, like Benjamin Butler, argued that slaves were spoils of war or that the Confederates, being conquered were subject to the whims of the USG. But Southern property owners didn’t forfeit their land. Or their barns. Or their tools. Or their businesses. Or their animals (well Sherman’s
Men ate and burned a lot of property… but that was just war damage…). So when it came to seizure, it was Just their slaves… so the seizure of property was selective and racially motivated.

Ok, but slaves are human beings. Not tools or animals. So argued the abolitionists. But that was not the law at the time. In fact the law at the time was that they were property and only counted as 3/5ths of a person in order that the Southern Congressional Districts were allowed more power in congress… in order to entice Southern States to ratify the Constitution. Essentially gave each Southern voter more power than a Northern voter in the House. But slaves and indentured servants were not people. Only northern abolitionists who “felt” like they were people were arguing the difference between land, machines, animals and slaves. Because… feelings.

So going back far enough… isn’t there a case for reparations to families who were deprived of legally-owned property by a government that made decisions based on skin color… and deprived these citizens, selectively, of their property? (Oh and don’t argue that Confederates were no longer citizens… because USG never recognized their sovereignty or the confederacy. Southerners were American Citizens throughout the war according to the government that deprived them of their property).

Arguments can work both ways. And the argument for restitution (aka Bruce Park) is much stronger than the one for reparations.

Weird, huh? And convoluted! But it gets better!!!

Especially when the initial “wrong” was committed on another continent (the actual enslavement.). After that, it was a series of legal transactions for a legal product, supported and documented by paperwork and national/state/local laws. The depravation of property by an activist, racially-motivated Federal government sounds like the definition of being wrongly stripped and deprived of property, does it not?

Thus… don’t The reparations need to come from the Europeans, Africans and the Arabs who committed the original act — depriving Africans of their freedom. Where is their paperwork and legal framework? Law of the Jungle doesn’t count in US courts. Bills of sale do.

Love to have some actual legal scholars weigh in on this. Would make a good law school debate… when you take the huggie-feelie—snowflake dogma out of the discussion.

Reparations might prove profitable to old Southern families and heirs deprived wrongly of their property. With $5 million check, lots of folks could get that Camaro off of cinder blocks and the ‘fridge off their porch.

Sadly, my family was in New Hampshire making a good living selling whiskey and Hors d’ouvres to the Indians. So I get nothing and have to leave my Camaro on cinder blocks for another year.

Sirhr
 
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The property owners are fucking brilliant.

Do you have any idea of the taxes on $20 mil in property in California? Try $160,000 to $200K a year. Property insurance in a flood zone? Probably another $100K. Drug addict hobos squatting endlessly means hiring private security.

They recovered something that was lost three generations ago, sold it back to the person they recovered it from and get to live like ghetto kings for a decade before they go broke. They now can open that recording studio or shoe store they have always dreamed of.

The activists wanted it to be made into a blacks only beach to keep whitey from bothering them. It would have more gunfire that the Normandy beaches if that had happened.
Sounds like these folks are smart enough to invest it. I bet they had parasites lawyers at their doors with in nano seconds.
 
I'm tired of working like a 'slave 'to support those who wont (work).

I need a fucking reparation.
 
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You forgot the Arab slave traders and the African blacks themselves who happily captured and sold members of opposing or weaker tribes into slavery.

It’s what humans did for thousands of years… and still do. All over the Gulf States.

And don’t forget “indentured servitude..”. Plenty of poor Irish, Scots and Brits ended up that way.

And while we are at it, giving POW’s to families to work was a thing all through WW2 right here in America.

Well, on the Bruce park, I have no issue with this decision or settlement. Their land was wrongly taken using the legal means of eminent domain. BUT… the seizure was not so the city could improve the property or build a railway or something for the public good. It was to deprive a black family of land and there is paperwork to prove it. Eminent domain was wrongly used. It got resolved, albeit late, in courts. And the family sold its property back. That’s not reparations. That is a clear cut case of restitution of property that was wrongly seized by misuse of a statute.

So shall we play a game?

Under those same guidelines, how many Southern families should get the descendants of their property returned to them to sell or put back to work? The single largest asset, by dollar value, in the Antebellum South was slaves. Land was almost worthless. There was more than anyone knew what to do with. And without the labor to improve it… it was almost worthless.

So the value in the south was labor. And the land/crops/industries in the South were not profitable under a wage structure. So slaves were “the” most important asset if the southern colonies (and later states) were to thrive or even survive.

But in c. 1863, Those assets were snatched from the property-owning families by executive fiat and only years AFTER the property was taken did the state (aka federal government) create the legal framework for doing so with Legislation and, later, Constitutional Amendments. And the removal of slaves from their owners was clearly and documentably racially and politically motivated.

The removal was in the tens of billions… maybe trillions.. in todays dollars.

Now some, like Benjamin Butler, argued that slaves were spoils of war or that the Confederates, being conquered were subject to the whims of the USG. But Southern property owners didn’t forfeit their land. Or their barns. Or their tools. Or their businesses. Or their animals (well Sherman’s
Men ate and burned a lot of property… but that was just war damage…). So when it came to seizure, it was Just their slaves… so the seizure of property was selective and racially motivated.

Ok, but slaves are human beings. Not tools or animals. So argued the abolitionists. But that was not the law at the time. In fact the law at the time was that they were property and only counted as 3/5ths of a person in order that the Southern Congressional Districts were allowed more power in congress… in order to entice Southern States to ratify the Constitution. Essentially gave each Southern voter more power than a Northern voter in the House. But slaves and indentured servants were not people. Only northern abolitionists who “felt” like they were people were arguing the difference between land, machines, animals and slaves. Because… feelings.

So going back far enough… isn’t there a case for reparations to families who were deprived of legally-owned property by a government that made decisions based on skin color… and deprived these citizens, selectively, of their property? (Oh and don’t argue that Confederates were no longer citizens… because USG never recognized their sovereignty or the confederacy. Southerners were American Citizens throughout the war according to the government that deprived them of their property).

Arguments can work both ways. And the argument for restitution (aka Bruce Park) is much stronger than the one for reparations.

Weird, huh? And convoluted! But it gets better!!!

Especially when the initial “wrong” was committed on another continent (the actual enslavement.). After that, it was a series of legal transactions for a legal product, supported and documented by paperwork and national/state/local laws. The depravation of property by an activist, racially-motivated Federal government sounds like the definition of being wrongly stripped and deprived of property, does it not?

Thus… don’t The reparations need to come from the Europeans, Africans and the Arabs who committed the original act — depriving Africans of their freedom. Where is their paperwork and legal framework? Law of the Jungle doesn’t count in US courts. Bills of sale do.

Love to have some actual legal scholars weigh in on this. Would make a good law school debate… when you take the huggie-feelie—snowflake dogma out of the discussion.

Reparations might prove profitable to old Southern families and heirs deprived wrongly of their property. With $5 million check, lots of folks could get that Camaro off of cinder blocks and the ‘fridge off their porch.

Sadly, my family was in New Hampshire making a good living selling whiskey and Hors d’ouvres to the Indians. So I get nothing and have to leave my Camaro on cinder blocks for another year.

Sirhr

While you make an interesting point, I would probably disagree on the whole bit about slaves and property.
Slavery has always existed as long as humans have because it's an evil that rich / greedy humans love.
Those engaging in slavery and owning slaves were doing serious wrong and saying it was "according to the law" is total B.S. when the laws of man are wicked they are an abomination and no excuse to hide behind.

Here's an example from our modern times to help make the point.

You take over sandbox land, the local rich folks regularly buy and sell little 6 and 7 and 8 year old boys and girls as their private rape toys.
According to their laws they claim it's perfectly fine to buy young children from their parents and do whatever depraved acts they want with them.

Do you:
1. Say oh well, raping little slave kids is your local law and custom, so tough luck and by the way any kids that escape we'll round up and bring back in time for your nightly raping session (Interestingly this is exactly what all the "just following orders" types recently were often supposed to do.)

2. Say sorry but we don't allow this anymore, but you are owed reparations for us taking your rape properties from you, so we'll pay you a bunch of money so you can go satisfy your depravities with the youngest whores you can find for the rest of your miserable life.

3. Actually take a real moral stance and say, NO this is wrong, this has always been wrong, and just because your corrupt laws written by corrupt people let you do it and just because your religious leaders made excuses for it and allowed it (for money, power and control), that never makes it right.
Sorry but we are taking away all the children you raped and sending them away to safety and you'll just have to STFU and be a decent person and if you try it again we'll kill you.

I view slavery as the same level of evil as raping little kids.
Laws of man saying slavery is fine are no more right, just or valid as laws of man saying you can rape little kids.
 
While you make an interesting point, I would probably disagree on the whole bit about slaves and property.
Slavery has always existed as long as humans have because it's an evil that rich / greedy humans love.
Those engaging in slavery and owning slaves were doing serious wrong and saying it was "according to the law" is total B.S. when the laws of man are wicked they are an abomination and no excuse to hide behind.

Here's an example from our modern times to help make the point.

You take over sandbox land, the local rich folks regularly buy and sell little 6 and 7 and 8 year old boys and girls as their private rape toys.
According to their laws they claim it's perfectly fine to buy young children from their parents and do whatever depraved acts they want with them.

Do you:
1. Say oh well, raping little slave kids is your local law and custom, so tough luck and by the way any kids that escape we'll round up and bring back in time for your nightly raping session (Interestingly this is exactly what all the "just following orders" types recently were often supposed to do.)

2. Say sorry but we don't allow this anymore, but you are owed reparations for us taking your rape properties from you, so we'll pay you a bunch of money so you can go satisfy your depravities with the youngest whores you can find for the rest of your miserable life.

3. Actually take a real moral stance and say, NO this is wrong, this has always been wrong, and just because your corrupt laws written by corrupt people let you do it and just because your religious leaders made excuses for it and allowed it (for money, power and control), that never makes it right.
Sorry but we are taking away all the children you raped and sending them away to safety and you'll just have to STFU and be a decent person and if you try it again we'll kill you.

I view slavery as the same level of evil as raping little kids.
Laws of man saying slavery is fine are no more right, just or valid as laws of man saying you can rape little kids.

Agree on all points. Not saying “law” is right. But when it is accepted at The time… then revisionism is a slippery slope.

Dredd-Scott was wrong and came from a lazy and racist Supreme Court and arguably started the civil war. But as the SCOTUS at the time was the ultimate arbiter… it was the law
Of the land. That said, there was a way to get rid of it. To overturn it (there was a remedy) an amendment to the Constitution was required and could have been proposed. But it never would have been ratified. So the scotus decision stood.

Dredd-Scott was a horrible decision. But was the law of the land.

We all know what is right and moral. And slavery ain’t it.

But the remedy to the past isn’t to create some kind of over-reaching quasi-legal framework because both sides of any issue can play those games and the end result Is stupidity and divisiveness.

The point of history is to learn from it. And to be, at times, repelled and disgusted by it. You don’t get that lesson from it if you Re-write it or whitewash it. Really, if history isn’t disturbing on some level, you are probably reading propaganda anyway.

I’m pointing out that two can play at the game of twisting legal argument for personal gain or to destroy a culture or society.

So your argument is a great contribution to what “should” be the discourse Americans are having.

But to go back to Marx and Engels… the communists will use race to destroy the west, implement their utopian future… and Re-enslave the very people who put them in power. It’s what they wrote! Use the negro to destroy the proletariat (I paraphrase). And these Marxist in BLM and Congress and NGO’s and in China and in WEF… are fomenting the racial divides right now.

All this is setting back by 2 generations the great strides that American blacks have made by their accomplishments… not because of their color. In every field. But real accomplishments are ignored or, Worse, chalked up not to talent and drive but to handouts and hand ups from whites or government intervention.

It’s all intentional. African Americans are, as usual, being used by the real racists. Paternalist leftists who think they will take care of the stupid masses who they believe they must rule over… in their enlightenment.

Instead of working on plantations, millions of American blacks are being farmed in urban shitholes and harvested for votes every 2 years. That is as bad as any slavery.

Sirhr

Sirhr
 
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