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Airline Travel With Firearms - A Reference

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    DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this post is current as of 2/1/2020. It is YOUR responsibility to check and double check with the airline you are traveling on, as well as check the TSA website, to verify and understand the most current and up to date policies. I am not responsible for your lack of preparation, understanding or disregard for TSA and/or airline policies.



    With all the talk on the forum lately of TSA and traveling with firearms, I have seen an obscene amount of misinformation contained in these posts. I am going to attempt to layout as much information as I can to try and make this as valuable a resource as possible. In addition, if you make it to the bottom of this very long post, I have included some additional tips that will make your life easier. Always remember, airline policies differ from TSA. TSA is the bare minimum required and each airline can go above and beyond making their policies much stricter in some cases. Also, individual airport procedures may vary as well. My first tip, arrive early, be patient and be polite. The airline representative can be your best friend or your worst enemy.

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    The following is the firearms policies direct from the TSA website:



    You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.



    Contact the TSA Contact Center with questions you have regarding TSA firearm regulations and for clarification on what you may or may not transport in your carry-on or checked baggage.



    Firearms

    When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.

    If you are traveling internationally with a firearm in checked baggage, please check the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website for information and requirements prior to travel.

    Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.

    Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks.

    Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.

    Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.

    Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.

    United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, firearm definitions includes: any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; and any destructive device. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm.

    Ammunition

    Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.

    Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).

    Small arms ammunition (up to .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge) must be packaged in a fiber (such as cardboard), wood, plastic, or metal box specifically designed to carry ammunition and declared to your airline.

    Ammunition may be transported in the same hard-sided, locked case as a firearm if it has been packed as described above. You cannot use firearm magazines or clips for packing ammunition unless they completely enclose the ammunition. Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be boxed or included within a hard-sided, locked case.

    Please check with your airline for quantity limits for ammunition.


    https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

    You will notice that airline policy resembles this very closely. The key takeaway is this, and its one of the biggest issues no matter what airline you fly or what airport you fly out of, the underlined sentence above is very subjective, and this subjectivity leads to most of the issues. More on that at the end of this post.

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    The following is the 8 major airlines in the US and their current policy on transporting firearms (listed in alphabetical order):

    Alaska Airlines



    Transporting firearms



    A "firearm" is any weapon that will, or is designed to, or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive, or the frame or receiver of any such weapon. This includes:



    Sporting rifles, shotguns, and handguns

    Handguns of authorized law enforcement officers while traveling on official duty

    Starter pistols, compressed air or BB guns, and flare pistols

    Antique firearms

    Silencers/suppressors

    All firearms must be unloaded and carried in a locked, hard-sided container where only the customer retains the key or combination.



    The hard-sided case must be secured in such a way that it does not allow for accidental or unauthorized opening. Multiple locks may be required on some cases to ensure the case cannot be opened.



    Firearms checked for baggage must not contain dangerous goods or prohibited items, such as but are not limited to: loose ammunition, flammable liquids, black powder, primers, or bear spray.



    We do not allow customers under age 18 to carry on or check a firearm.



    Customers are required to present photo ID or claim checks at the baggage office to retrieve their shotgun or rifle case/box.

    If you are connecting to another carrier with an international destination you will need to claim your firearm(s) and ammunition at the final Alaska Airlines destination and then check it directly with the receiving carrier.



    If you are connecting to another carrier with a domestic destination you may need to claim your firearm(s) and ammunition at the final Alaska Airlines destination and then check it directly with the connecting carrier.



    Firearms/shooting equipment



    The following items may be included in your normal baggage allowance. Excess charges will apply for additional pieces of baggage. All items must be suitably packaged for transport.



    One rifle case with rifles, scopes, one shooting mat, noise suppressors and small tools, or

    One shotgun case with shotguns, or

    One pistol case with pistols, noise suppressors, one pistol telescope and small pistol tools

    There is no limit to the number or type of firearms (rifles/shotguns/pistols) per case. Different firearm types may be in the same case as long as each type is properly packed.



    Ammunition



    On Alaska Airlines flights 001-1999 and flights 2000-2999, up to 50 lbs.(domestic) and 11 lbs. (international - where permitted) may be checked. Customers checking in or connecting to Alaska Airlines flights 3300-3499 are limited to 11 lbs. of ammunition. Ammunition must be securely packed in the original manufacturer's package or in a container designed for ammunition and of sufficient strength to protect it from accidental crushing or discharge (i.e. wood, fiber, plastic, or metal). Ammunition being sold in "original manufacturer packaging" where ammo is loose in a box or bucket cannot be accepted. The projectile must be no larger than 11/16" in diameter, the size of a dime. Ammunition may be checked with or separately from the firearm. Spent ammunition shells will be accepted in checked baggage provided they meet the same acceptance procedures as live ammunition (e.g. packed in a crush-proof case). Ammunition will only be accepted inside an ammunition clip if the magazine or clip has a complete and secure enclosure around it inside a suitcase, firearm, or crush-proof case.



    Firearm declaration



    Identify all bags containing firearms when you check in. Firearms must be unloaded. You will be asked to read and sign a special tag for each bag/container holding a firearm(s). This serves as your declaration that each weapon is unloaded and both weapons and ammunition are properly packaged. It is your responsibility to obtain all the necessary permits for any firearm checked between the United States, Canada, and Mexico.



    International transport



    Canada - Handguns cannot be transported to or through Canada. Non-restricted hunting rifles or competition firearms do not require specialized documentation. Please call the Canadian Firearms Program at 1-800-731-4000 for additional information on firearms to or from Canada. A U.S. Customs declaration issued before departing the U.S. is required before bringing your firearms back to the United
    States. We cannot accept rifles, shotguns and other firearms between the United States and Canada without the required documentation.



    Mexico - Handguns cannot be transported to or through Mexico. Before any firearm can be accepted for travel to Mexico, a consulate issued permit is required. Contact the Mexican consulate nearest you for additional information on firearms to or from Mexico. A U.S. Customs declaration issued before departing the U.S. is required before bringing your firearms back to the United States. We cannot accept rifles or shotguns and other firearms between the United States and Mexico without the required documentation.



    Paintball cylinders



    Refillable type cylinders may travel as checked baggage under the following conditions:



    Regulator valve must be completely disconnected from the cylinder.

    Cylinder must have an opening to allow for a visual inspection inside.

    how to measure bags

    Measuring bags

    Measure the distance from the floor to the highest point on the top of the bag (typically the handle.) Then, measure the width of the bag from side-to-side when looking at it from the front. Last, measure the thickness of the bag when looking at it from the side. The sum of these equals the total linear inches.



    Place an identification tag inside your bag.

    In the rare event that your carry-on bag is misplaced, this free downloadable tag will make the identification and return process quicker. Simply complete the form and place it inside your bag.




    https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/baggage/special-baggage/transporting-firearms

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    American Airlines




    Traveling with firearms and ammunition



    Laws on the possession of firearms differ between states and countries. Please check the requirements of your destination before you travel. Contact Reservations for international travel requirements and if any portion of your trip is operated by another carrier.



    Reservations and ticket changes



    Requirements

    Within the U.S., you can only travel with firearms and ammunition, including pellet and BB guns, in your checked bags if you’re over 18 years old. You must check them with an agent at check-in and declare that you’re traveling with firearms and ammunition.



    Firearms must be:



    Unloaded

    In a locked hard-sided container where the firearm is totally inaccessible

    Rifle cases require locks on each end

    Ammunition must be:



    In the original packaging from the manufacturer or in packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition (made of fiber, wood or metal), with a maximum of 11 pounds (5 kgs) per container or customer. Ammunition is not accepted loose or in magazines or clips.




    https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/baggage/firearms-and-ammunition.jsp

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    Delta Airlines




    Shooting Equipment

    Shooting equipment is allowed as checked baggage only. It must fit within the very specific criteria that we outline below.

    Declare to the Delta representative that you are checking a firearm

    Declare the existence of a firearm to security personnel if there's a security checkpoint before the Delta counter

    All firearms must be declared by the passenger to a Delta representative at the main ticket counter

    Present firearm(s) unloaded and sign a "Firearms Unloaded" declaration

    Firearms must be packed in a locked manufacturer's hard-sided container specifically designed for the firearm, a locked hard–sided gun case or a locked hard-sided piece of luggage. Handguns may be packed in a locked hard-sided gun case, and then packed inside an unlocked soft-sided piece of luggage. However, a Conditional Acceptance Tag must be used in this case

    Maintain entry permits in your possession for the country or countries of destination or transit

    Ensure small arms ammunition is packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood, plastic or metal boxes and provide separation for cartridges

    You are responsible for knowledge of and compliance with all Federal, State or local laws regarding the possession and transportation of firearms. For more information about this regulation you can visit the TSA websiteopens in a new window

    If you are transporting a firearm to the United Kingdom, a permit from the United Kingdom is specifically required. You must contact the United Kingdom for more information about securing this permit

    Until further advised, passengers departing Brussels, Belgium are not allowed to check weapons including, antique, sporting, hunting or toy rifles in their checked baggage

    Customer must be 18 years of age or older

    All firearms checked as baggage must be picked up at the Baggage Service Office upon arrival at your final destination. ID will be required to claim your checked firearm

    The following types of ammunition are not accepted:

    Gun powder; such as Pyrodex or Black Powder

    Ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles

    Ammunition, including case, exceeding 11 pounds (5 kg) gross weight per passenger

    Pistols and accessories must be included in one case and contain:

    Pistol telescopes

    Noise suppressors

    A small pistol tool case

    No more than 11 lbs. (5 kg) of ammunition, including case

    Rifles and shotguns must be packaged as follows:

    One hard sided case containing up to four rifles, shotguns, shooting materials, tools

    The case must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. All areas designed to be locked must be locked

    Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.

    One hard sided case containing up to five handguns, one scope, tools

    One bow and quiver of arrows and maintenance kit enclosed in a case or container strong enough to protect the bow and quiver from accidental damage

    No more than 11 lbs. (5 kg) of ammunition, including case

    An excess baggage fee will apply if checking more than one gun case.




    https://www.delta.com/content/www/e...s/baggage/before-your-trip/special-items.html

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    Frontier Airlines (HORRIBLE AIRLINE – AVOID IF AT ALL POSSIBLE)




    FIREARM AND AMMUNITION RULES



    Firearms, ammunition and firearm parts may be transported by passengers 18 years or older in a checked bag on domestic flights in the U.S., but are not allowed to be carried on to flights. To guarantee that your firearm or ammunition get to the same place you’re going, be sure to have them in a checked bag. Otherwise, they will get confiscated at security

    Neither firearms nor ammunition are allowed on international flights, even if they are in a checked bag.

    All firearms must be unloaded at time of travel.

    When you’re checking in, be sure to declare that you have a firearm in your bag to the customer service representative at the ticket counter.

    Your firearm must be packed in a hard-sided, locked container (or suitcase), or a hard-sided, locked gun case. The container must be able to lock securely and only able to be unlocked by you (occasionally, a TSA screener will need to examine a firearm, in which case you will need to provide the combination or key to the case to the security personnel).

    One passenger is allowed to check up to 11 pounds of ammunition.

    All ammunition must be securely packed in either the original manufacturer’s packaging, a fiber (such as cardboard), wood, or metal box, or other specially designed packaging.

    Ammunition may be packed in magazines or clips if the exposed portion is covered or sealed (i.e. sealed with duct tape), or the magazine/clip is placed in a pouch, holder, holster, or lanyard. All ammunition must be secure.

    Ammunition may be packed in the same hard-sided, locked, firearm case, provided it is packed as described.

    Black powder and percussion caps used with black-powder type firearms are not allowed in carry-on or checked baggage.

    We take the safety and security of our passengers and employees very seriously. These regulatory requirements are strictly enforced to help us maintain a safe environment. Any violators of these rules can face criminal prosecution and the imposition of civil penalties of up to $10,000 per violation.



    https://faq.flyfrontier.com/help/can-i-bring-a-firearm-with-me

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    jetBlue Airways



    Hunting & Shooting Sports

    Checked bag: Yes

    Carry-on: No

    Firearms, shooting equipment and related items will be accepted only as checked bags and are subject to the following conditions:

    You must be 18 years of age to check a firearm.

    One piece of shooting equipment will count as a checked bag.

    Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked bags only. Only the customer should retain the key or combination to the lock.

    All firearm containers with designed lock area(s) must have a lock placed in all of the designed lock area(s).

    If there is no lock in the designed lock area(s), JetBlue will not accept the firearm for transportation.

    Pistol cases may be available for purchase by cash or credit card at any JetBlue ticket counter for a nonrefundable fee of $50. Quantities are limited.

    BB guns and air guns are also considered as shooting equipment and are subject to the same requirements and restrictions.

    One item of shooting equipment is defined as one of the following:

    1 rifle case containing no more than 2 rifles with or without scopes, one shooting net, noise suppressors, and a small rifle tool set

    1 shotgun case containing no more than 2 shotguns

    1 pistol case containing no more than 4 pistols

    Ammunition

    Ammunition will not be permitted in carry-on or checked baggage on international flights.

    Ammunition must be packaged in a fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal box specifically designed for carrying small amounts of ammunition.

    Ammunition must be housed in a separate container that is completely separate and distinct from the firearms locked box. It may be in the same checked bag as the firearms box as long as everything is packaged properly.

    Ammunition is limited to 11 pounds per customer.




    https://www.jetblue.com/help/sports-gear

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    Southwest Airlines




    Guns and Ammunition



    Guns

    Customers are responsible for knowing and following the firearms laws of the state(s) that they will be traveling to, from, and through.

    Our Customers must declare the gun to the Customer Service Agent at the ticket counter (no firearms will be accepted curbside) and ensure that the firearm(s) chambers are free of ammunition and the magazine clip has been removed (when applicable). Paintball guns and BB guns are considered the same as all other firearms.

    Paintball guns are allowed in checked baggage and are not subject to the container requirements of firearms. Customers must declare the paintball gun to the Customer Service Agent at the ticket counter. Compressed gas cylinders are allowed in checked baggage or as a carryon only if the regulator valve is completely disconnected from the cylinder and the cylinder is no longer sealed (i.e., the cylinder has an open end). TSA Security Screeners must visibly ensure that the cylinder is completely empty and that there are no prohibited items inside.

    Firearms must be encased in a hard-sided, locked container that is of sufficient strength to withstand normal handling, as follows:

    A firearm in a hard-sided, locked container may be placed inside a soft-sided, unlocked suitcase.

    A firearm placed inside a hard-sided, locked suitcase does not have to be encased in a container manufactured for the transportation of firearms.

    The locked container or suitcase must completely secure the firearm from access. Cases or suitcases that can be pulled open with minimal effort do not meet the locked criterion.

    The Customer checking the luggage should retain the key or combination to the lock, and may use any brand or type of lock to secure the firearm case (including TSA-recognized locks).

    Firearms may be checked and will count toward the two-piece free baggage allowance for each fare-paying passenger. We allow multiple firearms to be transported inside one hard-sided case.

    Southwest Airlines assumes no liability for the misalignment of sights on firearms, including those equipped with telescopic sights.

    Firearms are never allowed in carryon luggage.

    Ammunition

    Small arms ammunition for personal use (provided it is properly packed) is permissible in checked baggage only.

    The ammunition may be placed in the same container as the firearm and must be securely packed in cardboard (fiber), wood, or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

    When checking ammunition, Customers are limited to 11 pounds gross weight (ammunition plus container) per person.

    Magazines or clips containing ammunition must be securely packaged (placed in another small box or in a secure cutout in the carrying case, in order to protect the primer of the ammunition).

    Make sure guns are unloaded and definitely never transport a gun in your carryon baggage!

    Gunpowder (black powder) and primers or percussion caps are not allowed in checked or carryon baggage.

    Loose ammunition or loose loaded magazines and/or clips are not allowed.

    Paintballs must be packaged in a leak-proof container and will be subject to limited release.




    https://www.southwest.com/html/cust...l#baggage_special_luggage_pol_tab_list_tab_10

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    Spirit Airlines (AVOID IF POSSIBLE – HORRIBLE AIRLINE)


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    https://content.spirit.com/Shared/en-us/Documents/Contract_of_Carriage.pdf#page23

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    United Airlines




    We’ll accept shooting equipment as checked bags in hard-sided, securely locked firearms cases or containers. Locked cases that can easily be opened aren’t permitted. All firearms cases must meet the following safety criteria in order to be accepted for travel:



    Firearms will be accepted only from a customer who is 18 years of age or older.

    The regulations below refer to all firearms (or items that may resemble a firearm), including airsoft guns, BB guns, paintball guns and any antique trophy guns or weapons.

    If you're traveling with a firearm, you must check in to your flight at the airport counter. You won’t be able to check in through the United app, united.com or an airport kiosk. Curbside check-in of a firearm is also not permitted.

    International firearm regulations and laws vary by destination and transiting country. Contact appropriate consulates or embassies to obtain specific entry requirements applicable to destination(s). United is not liable for any assistance or information relating to such regulations or compliance with such laws provided by any United employee or agent to any customers, or for the consequences to any customer resulting from his or her failure to comply with such regulations or laws.

    Firearms are not accepted to and from Bahrain, Cuba, Federated States of Micronesia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Nigeria, Palau, Philippines, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Vietnam.

    Customers traveling to Guatemala City, Guatemala (GUA) with checked firearms and/or ammunition must be in possession of a gun import license or a temporary transportation permit, which must be certified and validated by a Guatemalan Consulate. Customers traveling with checked firearms and/or ammunition through Guatemala City do not require a permit as long as their bag does not leave the airport controlled area. Customers must ensure they have all the necessary documents required at their final destination.

    Customers traveling to or through Milan, Italy (MXP) or Rome, Italy (FCO) with checked firearms/ammunition are subject to police clearance at their first point of entry into Italy. Security staff will take the firearms/ammunition to the police office for inspection. Firearms and ammunition must be packed in separate containers.

    Customers traveling to or through Amsterdam, Netherlands (AMS) with checked firearms/ammunition must obtain permission from the Netherlands Consulate/Embassy in their country of origin prior to departure. Weapons are subject to confiscation in Amsterdam unless the owner can show all required permits. Customers traveling on military orders with checked firearms may do so without prior consent from Dutch Customs. Checked military ammunition is forbidden.

    For travel to and from the United Kingdom, pistols, rifles and shotguns must be packed in a hard-sided rifle case. Customers must have the appropriate license or certificate in addition to a British Visitor's Permit (BVP). A Great Britain resident will need to act as a sponsor and submit a BVP application to their local firearms licensing department on your behalf.

    Firearms must be packed in a hard-sided container with a lock. The container must be locked at the time of acceptance by United Airlines and the key or combination must remain in the customer's possession. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can easily be opened will not be accepted for travel. Using a TSA-approved lock can help speed up the security screening process for firearms.

    Handguns must be packed in a hard-sided container with a lock. The container must be locked at the time of acceptance by United Airlines and the key or combination must remain in the customer's possession. The locked hard-sized container holding the handgun may be placed inside an unlocked soft-side piece of luggage. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can easily be opened will not be accepted for travel.

    Customers may only pack up to five firearms in any case or bag. However, there is no limit on the number of cases or bags they are permitted to check.

    The firearm will be transported in a section of the aircraft that is inaccessible to the customer. Proof of registration is not required.

    Firearms carried in addition to the free baggage allowance will be assessed at the current excess baggage charge.

    No more than 11 pounds of ammunition may be carried.

    The ammunition may be packed in the same container as the firearm or in a separate container.

    The ammunition must be packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood or metal containers.

    The ammunition inside the container must be protected against shock and secured against movement.

    Loaded ammunition magazines or clips must be removed from the firearm, and must be securely packed in boxes or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition and must fit over any exposed ends of the magazine or clip.

    Ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectile will not be accepted.

    Black powder, for black powder arms, is considered hazardous material and will not be accepted as checked baggage.

    First or second checked bag service charges may apply.


    https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/baggage/sports-equipment.html

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    General tips tricks and thoughts to make your life easier from someone that does this everyday.
    • Arrive early. Be patient. Be polite. The agents helping you at the ticket counter can be your best friend or worst enemy. It is important to keep in mind that most of them have no clue what is and isn’t a gun. The policies at some airlines can be very vague (American for example as even above) and the airlines leave a lot of the responsibility of the gate agents to accept or decline a firearm. If you have any issues, politely ask for a supervisor and or TSA supervisor. Hopefully you can work through the issue.
    • Put a lock on every place on your case that can accommodate a lock. Many airlines don’t require this, some do. But remember the sentence I underlined above that is very subjective? I guarantee if you have a lock on every place on your case, there will be no room for subjectivity. The litmus test is typically can it be opened enough to remove the firearm. It doesn’t matter what you and I think, it only matters what they think.
    • TSA locks are perfectly fine. Don’t misinterpret what the airlines mean when they say only you should retain the key or combo. If you use a TSA lock that statement is still valid and no airline should refuse carriage because of the use of TSA locks. I don’t care what any of you say on this. If you don’t use TSA locks, be prepared to get called to open your case or worse have TSA cut your locks and then the case doesn’t fly because it is no longer locked. This is why I say arrive early. It’s likely TSA will call you with very short notice prior to departure and depending on the airport you may have a long way to go.
    • Some airlines allow magazines to be loaded, some don’t. its my advise to just leave them unloaded and save yourself any trouble.
    • 11 lbs is typically the limit for ammo. Some airlines say 11 lbs including the case. Alaska Airlines has a very liberal policy. Know the policy, they may weigh it. But the ticket agent should not ask you to open the case at the gate (other than to verify if a weapon cant be removed and insert the declaration). If they do, don’t. Ask for TSA supervisor, their supervisor and a LEO if they insist. They should simply verify it cant be removed and slip the declaration inside the case. You should never have to remove a firearm and show its unloaded. EVER.
    • Silencers are no issue and in most cases any NFA item is no issue. This applies even if traveling through an unfriendly state such as NY. Only the destinations laws matter but that’s on you not the airline. I personally travel through NY with silencers and SBR’s frequently. No issue. The only risk is if it gets lost but honestly that’s very very rare. If you get to a connecting flight early enough, most agents will help and be able to verify your case is on board. Also, most flight deck crews are happy to check as well, time permitting.
    • I personally take my scope in the cabin with me. This is your call, the ramp guys can be pretty hard on stuff.
    • Take pictures of the contents of your case. When handing the case to an airline agent and/or TSA take a picture of the person you hand the case too with the case in their possession. that way no one can say they never received it.
    • Remember that I included only the 8 major airlines above. Many of these airlines use smaller subsidiaries that have their own policies. You will have to see what they require in addition to the parent airline. Some of these include
      • Alaska Airlines
        • Horizon Air
        • SkyWest
      • American Airlines
        • Envoy
        • Mesa
        • Republic
        • Piedmont
        • PSA
        • And more, too many to list
      • Delta Airlines
        • Endeavor
        • Skywest
        • Compass
        • And more, too many to list
      • United
        • Mesa
        • Skywest
        • Republic
        • Trans States
        • And more, too many to list
    • Again, most of all, be polite.
     
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    Great info. Thanks for pulling that together. I was going to start researching this over the next week or so. Very timely.
     
    I agree, but have had more questions from individual airlines, not so much on TSA agents.
     
    I used to live in Alaska and fly stateside with a long pelican case every 6-12 months. In every airport I have ever walked into, someone has come to practically escort me thru gettin my bags checked. Sometimes, like in Alaska, they are excited and wondering where you're going or what cool hunt your going on. More liberal states give almost the same treatment except its less excited and more, get this guy thru here quick.

    Also, after sandy hook, ammo became so scarce up in Alaska that the only way to have any quantity was to buy 50lbs ~1000rds .223 and check a small bag full of ammo.

    Awesome write-up and I'm sure it'll save someone the hassle of trying to lookup and find all this info on their own.
     
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    Thanks for the info! I've often thought about taking a firearm on an airline trip, but haven't been able to bring myself to risk it. They lose my bags often enough. Would hate for them to lose my firearm! Might have to buck up and give it a try sometime. Thanks again!
     
    Why not just post links to the airlines website where the info is? Then when it changes, the post isnt irrelevant.
     
    I agree, but have had more questions from individual airlines, not so much on TSA agents.

    Same. I’ve had to tell counter agents their own policy before whereas the tub stackers of america just put the case through the scanner and mostly let me go on my way. Occasionally they need to swab the inside of the case but that’s rare.
     
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    Absolutely retarded that you can’t bring your silencer or bolt or firing pin in your carry on and not have to worry about the baggage monkeys stealing it
     
    Absolutely retarded that you can’t bring your silencer or bolt or firing pin in your carry on and not have to worry about the baggage monkeys stealing it
    Well it’s technically a firearm so I guess it makes sense. They also don’t allow it because you could have 8 people each bring a separate part and then assemble a firearm on board. It seems stupid from our perspective but you have to look at the broader security concerns.
     
    Nope. Still retarted

    Another example of zero tolerance when in reality it is zero intelligence and zero competence.

    Truly idiotic a silencer is considered a firearm. Words have meanings
     
    In our Sunshine State a gun silencer meets the definition of a “firearm”.
    Under Florida Statute Chapter 790 Section 790.001, the definition of a firearm is "any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; any destructive device; or any machine gun...

    As such, in TSA parlance a silencer modified as a zip gun would able to "expel (quietly ?) a projectile by the action of an explosive"......

    It also means that you cannot conceal a suppressor in your cargo pants without a concealed carry permit.
     
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    Alaska is the only one you can ship 50 lbs ammo. All the rest are 11 lbs. Lost in the fine print for JET BLUE is that ammo may not be packaged with the weapon. A separate locked container is required for your excessively large stash of 11 lbs.
     
    Alaska is the only one you can ship 50 lbs ammo. All the rest are 11 lbs. Lost in the fine print for JET BLUE is that ammo may not be packaged with the weapon. A separate locked container is required for your excessively large stash of 11 lbs.
    Ammo can go in a small locked case inside your checked bag, just like a pistol.
    Also the 50lbs of ammo only applies if you are flying alaska airlines all the way to your destination I believe. You can't have the last leg of your flight be delta or united.
     
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    Awesome info, I fly on a fairly regular bases with a handgun during business trips and your tips and tricks are spot on.... especially being early and polite. I predominately fly united and haven't ever really had an issue, despite flying in and out of some not so firearms friendly states. One other thing I'll add that whenever I'm checking in I make sure to have the little orange card united makes you fill out from a previous trip with a firearm..... it seems to put people at ease when during check in you preemptively ask for the card to fill out. Alot of the check in clerks seem to have very limited training on the check in process.
     
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    Are you sure every single airline follows that policy?
    I can't speak for every airline, but I know they don't really want a little case bouncing around the baggage. I can almost guarantee they will search your checked bag if there is a small locked case with ammo or a pistol in it, but that's how I've done it in the past.
     
    I'm getting ready for my first time flying with a firearm. I'll be heading to Alaska for training in Alaska with lowlight, so I bought a Pelican Vault V800 for my rifle, and maybe if I can fit a tripod in the box with it.

    For my 400-500 rounds of ammo I need to bring, I need another box, and it's not going to fit in the rifle box. Anyone have a recommended box to bring my factory Prime ammo? Regulations say I need another locked container, I don't think I need the same $200 durability of a Pelican just for ammo, so looking for something a little cost effective.

    Thanks!
     
    I'm getting ready for my first time flying with a firearm. I'll be heading to Alaska for training in Alaska with lowlight, so I bought a Pelican Vault V800 for my rifle, and maybe if I can fit a tripod in the box with it.

    For my 400-500 rounds of ammo I need to bring, I need another box, and it's not going to fit in the rifle box. Anyone have a recommended box to bring my factory Prime ammo? Regulations say I need another locked container, I don't think I need the same $200 durability of a Pelican just for ammo, so looking for something a little cost effective.

    Thanks!
    Ship it to @Enough Said
     
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    Two cases are plenty, and you have enough time you can ship it slow boat to AK to Marc's shop

    That would be my recommendation unless you are flying Alaska Air, you are limited to 11LBS, AK Air is 50LBS then you can bring both.

    But if you leave it in the original boxes, I just put it in my checked bag, just watch your weight, might be easier to have one bag overweight going, then bring an extra bag
     
    Two cases are plenty, and you have enough time you can ship it slow boat to AK to Marc's shop

    That would be my recommendation unless you are flying Alaska Air, you are limited to 11LBS, AK Air is 50LBS then you can bring both.

    But if you leave it in the original boxes, I just put it in my checked bag, just watch your weight, might be easier to have one bag overweight going, then bring an extra bag

    Thanks, I upgraded to first class, so I could get the 2 free checked bags.

    For ammo inside my checked bag, it still requires some lock right? I guess for that one I can just throw on one of those TSA luggage locks.
     
    I'm getting ready for my first time flying with a firearm. I'll be heading to Alaska for training in Alaska with lowlight, so I bought a Pelican Vault V800 for my rifle, and maybe if I can fit a tripod in the box with it.

    For my 400-500 rounds of ammo I need to bring, I need another box, and it's not going to fit in the rifle box. Anyone have a recommended box to bring my factory Prime ammo? Regulations say I need another locked container, I don't think I need the same $200 durability of a Pelican just for ammo, so looking for something a little cost effective.

    Thanks!
    Which class you in? I’m in the 16-17 May class.
     
    If you are shooting Prime Ammo, I could have sold you some during the Group Buy.
    And...
    If it gets here before your Course. No word yet. Check cashed in December on my order.
     
    Which class you in? I’m in the 16-17 May class.

    I'm taking PR1&PR2 July 11-14.

    If you are shooting Prime Ammo, I could have sold you some during the Group Buy.
    And...
    If it gets here before your Course. No word yet. Check cashed in December on my order.

    I was originally going to shoot my Tikka T3X, which is in 308 and I had a lot of FGMM 168gr. Ranges here only get out to 200 yards, but as I learned more 20" .308 on the 168gr SMKs probably weren't going to fare well at 1000+ yards that hopefully I get to experience in Alaska. Researching I found out that 175gr SMKs do better, and I was also looking at Spark Munitions for their Tipped SMK which has a good BC as well, or maybe even go up to the 185 juggernauts. I bought some 175gr SMK but I just haven't had any chance to try it out yet, so I was hesitant to buy more, or have 400 rounds sitting in Alaska.

    I then just switched over to new action - Terminus Zeus, and trying to source out a barrel before the class. Tikka is backup now. Still want to get zeroed and test the ammo before July... hoping we open the state up by June.
     
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    Question, my Pelican Vault has 4 locking holes. Is it required all 4 locks are used, or just that there's no way for someone to slide their hand in? I was thinking of locking both ends, and then 1 in the middle. 3 locks should be fine securing it, but I wasn't sure if there's some Airline rule that says a lock must be placed at every locking hole.
     
    Question, my Pelican Vault has 4 locking holes. Is it required all 4 locks are used, or just that there's no way for someone to slide their hand in? I was thinking of locking both ends, and then 1 in the middle. 3 locks should be fine securing it, but I wasn't sure if there's some Airline rule that says a lock must be placed at every locking hole.
    Covered this in the OP


    • Put a lock on every place on your case that can accommodate a lock. Many airlines don’t require this, some do. But remember the sentence I underlined above that is very subjective? I guarantee if you have a lock on every place on your case, there will be no room for subjectivity. The litmus test is typically can it be opened enough to remove the firearm. It doesn’t matter what you and I think, it only matters what they think.
     
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    Covered this in the OP


    • Put a lock on every place on your case that can accommodate a lock. Many airlines don’t require this, some do. But remember the sentence I underlined above that is very subjective? I guarantee if you have a lock on every place on your case, there will be no room for subjectivity. The litmus test is typically can it be opened enough to remove the firearm. It doesn’t matter what you and I think, it only matters what they think.

    Sorry, must have missed this when I was quick searching for "lock". Thank you.
     
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    DO NOT USE A TSA LOCK.....once you declare it as a firearm they need to pass TSA inspection - read all of the above posts.
    It's very airline and airport dependent but you should request to stay at the ticket counter or in the pre-TSA check point area until the firearm case is accepted into the luggage stream. I use a keyed master lock. 4 of them, on a Pelican 1750. I used to fly Southwest and infrequently on Alasaka and have never had my locks cut . I also have a paper copy of the airline's regulations in hand in case there's a disagreement.
     
    TSA Locks are must, so you can just shut up now, you don;'t now what you are talking about

    Heavy Duty TSA Locks
    TSA locks are not required. I have flown on 6 flights in the last 7 months with multiple firearms and never once had a TSA lock. The TSA clearly states you should hold the only keys that open your gun case
     
    TSA locks are not required. I have flown on 6 flights in the last 7 months with multiple firearms and never once had a TSA lock. The TSA clearly states you should hold the only keys that open your gun case
    It’s airport and airline dependent you stupid fuck, not every place does the same thing, so it’s about being prepared,

    TSA is an agency not a person and there is no key that you are giving people, those TSA keys are part of the agency system

    they cut a students locks this trip so clearly you have no Fucking idea what you are saying, carrying both kinds is the smarter play.

    united in Nashville does not inspect the rifles so you have to use TSA locks or risk missing you gear or having the cut. That is just one example, Spokane United is the same, it goes without pre inspection.

    in those cases TSA locks save you the hassle of being called back through security, have them cut, or the rifle being left behind.
     
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    I arrived Thursday walked straight out the airport none of the Covid stations were manned, on Sunday a student had to Covid test and was forced in the queue that didn’t exist just days prior.
     
    It’s airport and airline dependent you stupid fuck, not every place does the same thing, so it’s about being prepared,

    TSA is an agency not a person and there is no key that you are giving people, those TSA keys are part of the agency system

    they cut a students locks this trip so clearly you have no Fucking idea what you are saying, carrying both kinds is the smarter play.

    united in Nashville does not inspect the rifles so you have to use TSA locks or risk missing you gear or having the cut. That is just one example, Spokane United is the same, it goes without pre inspection.

    in those cases TSA locks save you the hassle of being called back through security, have them cut, or the rifle being left behind.
    Jesus christ. Don't think my response deserves being called a stupid fuck. But thanks for that!

    Every airport made me wait for my weapons to clear the TSA inspection before I left the ticket counter or inspection area. Some just scanned and some asked me to open the case.
     
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    My problem with these posts if you are not looking at the bigger picture and you do not comprehend what I am saying,

    its not consistent, when you stood there for TSA inspection, I guarantee there is a sign staring you in the face that says use TSA locks, it’s at every inspection station,

    the tag the airline use is not TSA, we have 100s of airports, I travel to a wide variety that are not always capital cities, smaller ones can be better or worse.

    than stack on individual airline rules which are Not consistent- so saying no is stupid.
     
    Jesus christ. Don't think my response deserves being called a stupid fuck. But thanks for that!

    Every airport made me wait for my weapons to clear the TSA inspection before I left the ticket counter or inspection area. Some just scanned and some asked me to open the case.
    I have been called back from the gate because after waiting to have it inspected they wanted to recheck it.
    I keep both types
    I also keep very large cable ties in the case

    You can show them all the regulations in print you want. Do you think .gov really cares how its worded? All your going to do is piss them off and get frustrated. I was checking x2 1750 cases at LAX recently and they asked me to open them both in front of everyone... I was in priority first class line and asked politely if we could move off to the side. They said no so I had to open them there to insert the signed declaration (not unusual, but annoying). Then because they were shocked they had security show up....

    Fun times
     
    We had a student at Treadproof in TN, flew down from Alaska, no issues,

    Flying home the Counter agent in Nashville decided his rifle case was not fit to fly, so he was kicked off the flight, had to go out, buy a new case, and then fly home. Procedures vary, which is WHY, they say, use TSA locks, it's posted at every TSA checkpoint.

    the problem is this bullshit "Key" argument, TSA is NOT a person, you don't have a KEY for TSA, they do, so you are no giving a key to a person, the TSA System is using their keys to safely check and re-lock your cases for you without the hassles of asking you.

    If they call you back to open the case and you already passed security and potentially do not hear them call your name to return to the ticket counter, your rifle will be opened without you, which means they cut you locks.

    The biggest lie in all this, people thinking their master locks are safe from thieves when you have hundreds of YouTube videos teaching people how to open them. Then again, when Rifles are Stolen from the Airport, they don't open the case, and take the rifle, they throw the entire rifle case over the fence to their accomplices. With all the cameras do you really think they can open your case, steal your shit and then walk out past security with it. No, they find the gaps in security which are INSIDE the airport and toss the entire case.

    Handguns might have an argument for the case being opened and pistol stolen as that can be hidden on their person, Rifles not so much

    What triggers me is people's lack of common sense
     
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