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Re: American hostages killed
Really... this has to stop ... start making examples out of them ... i heard that al-Qaida is actually funding these guys...
I think we should pull Might MO out of retirment re-fit the guns .. park it off shore and just pound the hell out of anything that comes off shore.
Really... this has to stop ... start making examples out of them ... i heard that al-Qaida is actually funding these guys...
I think we should pull Might MO out of retirment re-fit the guns .. park it off shore and just pound the hell out of anything that comes off shore.
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Pirates? How about muslim's who killed these people because of their Christian faith? Sixteen taken captive, should've read 16 used for shark bait! We are in the midst of a religious war, like it or not.
Pirates? How about muslim's who killed these people because of their Christian faith? Sixteen taken captive, should've read 16 used for shark bait! We are in the midst of a religious war, like it or not.
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13 were <span style="font-size: 20pt">CAPTURED?</span> <span style="font-size: 8pt"> </span> I usually support the military but this time they fucked up.
13 were <span style="font-size: 20pt">CAPTURED?</span> <span style="font-size: 8pt"> </span> I usually support the military but this time they fucked up.
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It is really sad when the acts of a people have to use religion as an excuse. The religious overtons are just a distraction-- they are murders and thieves... thats it. The use of the religion is for the benifit of the uneducated. If they really know what the religion says or for that mater what any religion says-- they would know killing is bad.
It is really sad when the acts of a people have to use religion as an excuse. The religious overtons are just a distraction-- they are murders and thieves... thats it. The use of the religion is for the benifit of the uneducated. If they really know what the religion says or for that mater what any religion says-- they would know killing is bad.
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What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though.
What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though.
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I believe the 'Mighty MO' suggestion to be the best here, so far. By a long shot (pun intended)
I believe the 'Mighty MO' suggestion to be the best here, so far. By a long shot (pun intended)
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Well, the lone pirate that survived the last "incident" on that Easter morning was given life in prison = life of all meals, cable TV, education etc. He should have been but to death. That sentence set a bad example and the wrong message.
I have heard one rumor of an Islamic Muslim extremist group take credit for this - saying something about the intention of putting enough explosives on board that the first gunshot from our military would blow the boat up with all the Americans on board (but only if they put their C4 in their turbans!).
Well, the lone pirate that survived the last "incident" on that Easter morning was given life in prison = life of all meals, cable TV, education etc. He should have been but to death. That sentence set a bad example and the wrong message.
I have heard one rumor of an Islamic Muslim extremist group take credit for this - saying something about the intention of putting enough explosives on board that the first gunshot from our military would blow the boat up with all the Americans on board (but only if they put their C4 in their turbans!).
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though. </div></div>
I agree.
It would be like a white redneck riding an electric scooter thru East St Louis at night and not expecting to be bothered.
Still sad though. We should deal the pirates a death blow.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though. </div></div>
I agree.
It would be like a white redneck riding an electric scooter thru East St Louis at night and not expecting to be bothered.
Still sad though. We should deal the pirates a death blow.
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It's one thing to be moving freight through the area and another taking a pleasure cruise on a yacht. However, we should make an example of them and not bring them back to the U.S. to stand trial. JMO
Jamie
It's one thing to be moving freight through the area and another taking a pleasure cruise on a yacht. However, we should make an example of them and not bring them back to the U.S. to stand trial. JMO
Jamie
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This does need to stop...but that requires money. As much as I would like to feel there is no place I can't visit whether by land or sea, that's not the case. These people should've been more than aware that they were in a dangerous area.
This does need to stop...but that requires money. As much as I would like to feel there is no place I can't visit whether by land or sea, that's not the case. These people should've been more than aware that they were in a dangerous area.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though. </div></div>
Its too bad it happened but i'm all out of sympathy for people that get hurt or killed on "pleasure" trips to Mexico, Somalia or the middle east....
Spare our justice system the strain and dump them over the side.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though. </div></div>
Its too bad it happened but i'm all out of sympathy for people that get hurt or killed on "pleasure" trips to Mexico, Somalia or the middle east....
Spare our justice system the strain and dump them over the side.
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The problem is until the country of Somalia gets their shit together there will always be plenty of people to be pirates. The people who become pirates aren't too worried about penalties, they live in Somalia, death might be an improvement.
The problem is until the country of Somalia gets their shit together there will always be plenty of people to be pirates. The people who become pirates aren't too worried about penalties, they live in Somalia, death might be an improvement.
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These scum just piss me off
solution
1. Why not put a bounty on them.
2 Put a bunch of Navy Seals on a luxury boat for bait. Let them cruise around and eliminate the problem
3. Arm ships with 20mm miniguns.
These scum just piss me off
solution
1. Why not put a bounty on them.
2 Put a bunch of Navy Seals on a luxury boat for bait. Let them cruise around and eliminate the problem
3. Arm ships with 20mm miniguns.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: royboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These scum just piss me off
solution
1. Why not put a bounty on them.
2 Put a bunch of Navy Seals on a luxury boat for bait. Let them cruise around and eliminate the problem
3. Arm ships with 20mm miniguns. </div></div>
Dont know many bounty hunters that want to do that job
Let let the SEALs do their jobs where they are needed.
In no way would a 20mm minigun be obvious on a cruising yacht......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: royboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These scum just piss me off
solution
1. Why not put a bounty on them.
2 Put a bunch of Navy Seals on a luxury boat for bait. Let them cruise around and eliminate the problem
3. Arm ships with 20mm miniguns. </div></div>
Dont know many bounty hunters that want to do that job
Let let the SEALs do their jobs where they are needed.
In no way would a 20mm minigun be obvious on a cruising yacht......
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The following was quoted at the bottom of the article:
"As of February 15, pirates were holding 33 vessels and 712 hostages, according to the International Maritime Bureau."
This should not be acceptable to any country. The whole world should declare war on this shit. I wonder how many deaths it will take before Somalia is dealt with. From that article it seems as if piracy is the national occupation.
Jim
The following was quoted at the bottom of the article:
"As of February 15, pirates were holding 33 vessels and 712 hostages, according to the International Maritime Bureau."
This should not be acceptable to any country. The whole world should declare war on this shit. I wonder how many deaths it will take before Somalia is dealt with. From that article it seems as if piracy is the national occupation.
Jim
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alshirey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This does need to stop...but that requires money. As much as I would like to feel there is no place I can't visit whether by land or sea, that's not the case. These people should've been more than aware that they were in a dangerous area. </div></div>
There are several companies that provide "maritime personal security detail" (one company comes to mind - Marcos Gonzales' GDI). If you know you are going into "dangerous" waters - which they were, be prepared with more than Bibles. If you can afford that yacht and that kind of venture, they should have put out the money to train at least one member of their crew to defend themselves or else hire a PSD company.
I don't think this should rest squarely on the government's shoulders or our military's resources, but this argument is analagous to the mountain climbers that venture out in bad conditions or other "extreme risk takers" which consume a lot of $$$ and resources to help when they are in over their heads.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alshirey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This does need to stop...but that requires money. As much as I would like to feel there is no place I can't visit whether by land or sea, that's not the case. These people should've been more than aware that they were in a dangerous area. </div></div>
There are several companies that provide "maritime personal security detail" (one company comes to mind - Marcos Gonzales' GDI). If you know you are going into "dangerous" waters - which they were, be prepared with more than Bibles. If you can afford that yacht and that kind of venture, they should have put out the money to train at least one member of their crew to defend themselves or else hire a PSD company.
I don't think this should rest squarely on the government's shoulders or our military's resources, but this argument is analagous to the mountain climbers that venture out in bad conditions or other "extreme risk takers" which consume a lot of $$$ and resources to help when they are in over their heads.
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Well one of the boarding party got a knife kill on one of the pirates!!
A member of a U.S. special operations force killed one of the pirates with a knife as he went inside of the yacht, said Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces for Central Command.
I feel a little better than one of ours got to take a knife to one of them, wish it would have been a little sooner!!
Well one of the boarding party got a knife kill on one of the pirates!!
A member of a U.S. special operations force killed one of the pirates with a knife as he went inside of the yacht, said Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces for Central Command.
I feel a little better than one of ours got to take a knife to one of them, wish it would have been a little sooner!!
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is there no span out security companies as of yet like triple canopy and the like? seems like a HUGE market to get into, private security for shipping companies. Hell maybe a few of us should get together and start one, I'd get paid to ride a boat around for 6 months at a stint blastin johnny depp impersonating skinnies
is there no span out security companies as of yet like triple canopy and the like? seems like a HUGE market to get into, private security for shipping companies. Hell maybe a few of us should get together and start one, I'd get paid to ride a boat around for 6 months at a stint blastin johnny depp impersonating skinnies
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(The President) had a briefing on the situation over the weekend and authorized the use of force against the pirates in the event of an imminent threat to the Americans' safety, he said.
I'd say that was a little late. If they have attacked a vessel and taken hostages, I'd say an imminent threat to safety was there the whole time. It's sad to hear this.
(The President) had a briefing on the situation over the weekend and authorized the use of force against the pirates in the event of an imminent threat to the Americans' safety, he said.
I'd say that was a little late. If they have attacked a vessel and taken hostages, I'd say an imminent threat to safety was there the whole time. It's sad to hear this.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is there no span out security companies as of yet like triple canopy and the like? seems like a HUGE market to get into, private security for shipping companies. Hell maybe a few of us should get together and start one, I'd get paid to ride a boat around for 6 months at a stint blastin johnny depp impersonating skinnies</div></div>
Yes, there are those companies out there, mostly run by ex-SEALs to understand nuances of tides, navigation, vessels structure and operations etc. but they run a pretty penny, like any "executive" PSD with real risk.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is there no span out security companies as of yet like triple canopy and the like? seems like a HUGE market to get into, private security for shipping companies. Hell maybe a few of us should get together and start one, I'd get paid to ride a boat around for 6 months at a stint blastin johnny depp impersonating skinnies</div></div>
Yes, there are those companies out there, mostly run by ex-SEALs to understand nuances of tides, navigation, vessels structure and operations etc. but they run a pretty penny, like any "executive" PSD with real risk.
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bigger question is why we are "capturing" these pricks....news should have been that all pirates were killed...if there is no equivication about what will happen when you execute hostages perhaps they will think twice...
bigger question is why we are "capturing" these pricks....news should have been that all pirates were killed...if there is no equivication about what will happen when you execute hostages perhaps they will think twice...
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I think instead of capturing these sammys and giving them a trail, we should give them a ride back to Somalia. At 300 feet throw them back with leaflets telling everyone what will happen to them if they harm American ships or people.
Jamie
I think instead of capturing these sammys and giving them a trail, we should give them a ride back to Somalia. At 300 feet throw them back with leaflets telling everyone what will happen to them if they harm American ships or people.
Jamie
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Malaga2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bigger question is why we are "capturing" these pricks....</div></div>That's what happens when operations are reactive instead of proactive. One can't execute them after the fact: It's illegal <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> immoral. I do not know those in charge of this operation but it would appear, generally, that the real danger is when risk-adverse commanders love the enemy to the extent of endangering those whom they have a duty to protect.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Malaga2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bigger question is why we are "capturing" these pricks....</div></div>That's what happens when operations are reactive instead of proactive. One can't execute them after the fact: It's illegal <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> immoral. I do not know those in charge of this operation but it would appear, generally, that the real danger is when risk-adverse commanders love the enemy to the extent of endangering those whom they have a duty to protect.
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I understand that there are legal issues...whose laws apply with regard to piracy and murder on the high seas....however I do not have any moral issues with fighting fire with fire?...how is it any different from a moral point of view to send a hellfire from a drone into a car full of bad guys in Pakistan/Afghanistan?...why then should we have a moral issue with eliminating the same bad guys from a boat...especially after they have just murdered 4 innocents....difficult questions....
I understand that there are legal issues...whose laws apply with regard to piracy and murder on the high seas....however I do not have any moral issues with fighting fire with fire?...how is it any different from a moral point of view to send a hellfire from a drone into a car full of bad guys in Pakistan/Afghanistan?...why then should we have a moral issue with eliminating the same bad guys from a boat...especially after they have just murdered 4 innocents....difficult questions....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beck.jamie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think instead of capturing these sammys and giving them a tr(ia)l, we should give them a ride back to Somalia. At 300 feet <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">AGL</span></span> throw them back with leaflets telling everyone what will happen to them if they harm American ships or people.
Jamie</div></div>
There, I fixed it for you. And totally agree with you now. Absolutely.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beck.jamie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think instead of capturing these sammys and giving them a tr(ia)l, we should give them a ride back to Somalia. At 300 feet <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">AGL</span></span> throw them back with leaflets telling everyone what will happen to them if they harm American ships or people.
Jamie</div></div>
There, I fixed it for you. And totally agree with you now. Absolutely.
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I really don't empathize much for the people.
After all, with all the press about piracy in that area "who would have expected it?". Call me heartless but at times "stupid" does inflict pain.
Lesson learned?
Now the problem with capturing the assclowns is what do we do with them now? Obviously some asshat judge or political pundit will cry for them to not go to Gitmo and that they deserve a fair trial under US law. My question is are they entitled to a fair trial under US law? And why should US tax payers have to support them and let them live in conditions that rival that of their home minus the ability to ransack ships and murder people on a whim? If we weren't so damn PC these days we would have made them and their families homes look like a recreation of the tests on the Bikini Islands!
BTW, didn't the Seal who dropped those pirates last time suffer a little bit of pain for shooting those guys?
Hell look at what happened to Dave Staffel in Afghanistan!! Talk about an injustice!
Just my .02
I really don't empathize much for the people.
After all, with all the press about piracy in that area "who would have expected it?". Call me heartless but at times "stupid" does inflict pain.
Lesson learned?
Now the problem with capturing the assclowns is what do we do with them now? Obviously some asshat judge or political pundit will cry for them to not go to Gitmo and that they deserve a fair trial under US law. My question is are they entitled to a fair trial under US law? And why should US tax payers have to support them and let them live in conditions that rival that of their home minus the ability to ransack ships and murder people on a whim? If we weren't so damn PC these days we would have made them and their families homes look like a recreation of the tests on the Bikini Islands!
BTW, didn't the Seal who dropped those pirates last time suffer a little bit of pain for shooting those guys?
Hell look at what happened to Dave Staffel in Afghanistan!! Talk about an injustice!
Just my .02
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Malaga2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand that there are legal issues...whose laws apply with regard to piracy and murder on the high seas....however I do not have any moral issues with fighting fire with fire?...how is it any different from a moral point of view to send a hellfire from a drone into a car full of bad guys in Pakistan/Afghanistan?...why then should we have a moral issue with eliminating the same bad guys from a boat...especially after they have just murdered 4 innocents....difficult questions.... </div></div>
My Moral issue is primarily with paying millions of taxpayer dollars to cover some idiots that go off and do something internationally they should obviously know better than to do.
If I lose all my money playing MahJong in an Asian Casino and get my ass whipped for it can I safely expect a bunch of Marines to charge in and defend me?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Malaga2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand that there are legal issues...whose laws apply with regard to piracy and murder on the high seas....however I do not have any moral issues with fighting fire with fire?...how is it any different from a moral point of view to send a hellfire from a drone into a car full of bad guys in Pakistan/Afghanistan?...why then should we have a moral issue with eliminating the same bad guys from a boat...especially after they have just murdered 4 innocents....difficult questions.... </div></div>
My Moral issue is primarily with paying millions of taxpayer dollars to cover some idiots that go off and do something internationally they should obviously know better than to do.
If I lose all my money playing MahJong in an Asian Casino and get my ass whipped for it can I safely expect a bunch of Marines to charge in and defend me?
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I see part of the problem as we are dealing with people who react to fear. We cause them NO fear, we demonstrate NO strength. They fear no retaliation, no reactions because with all the ships they have captured and crews nothing has been done for the most part outside of paying them their requested ransomes!!!!!
Until they all feel some pain and understand that the US will harness every asset and tool they have available to inflict the utmost amount of pain possible they will continue to thumb their noses at us.
The other problem is that the political wing believes that these are people that you can talk to, work with, and bargain with (outside of monetary solutions). I do not see them as "getting it". Strike hard, and strike fast, make the pain immediate and something that will always remain in the backs of their mind like the shadows on the walls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
Just my bitter .02
I see part of the problem as we are dealing with people who react to fear. We cause them NO fear, we demonstrate NO strength. They fear no retaliation, no reactions because with all the ships they have captured and crews nothing has been done for the most part outside of paying them their requested ransomes!!!!!
Until they all feel some pain and understand that the US will harness every asset and tool they have available to inflict the utmost amount of pain possible they will continue to thumb their noses at us.
The other problem is that the political wing believes that these are people that you can talk to, work with, and bargain with (outside of monetary solutions). I do not see them as "getting it". Strike hard, and strike fast, make the pain immediate and something that will always remain in the backs of their mind like the shadows on the walls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
Just my bitter .02
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Washington or the UN arnt going to do a thing except say the same worde we have all herd before. No back bone just empty words. MM
Washington or the UN arnt going to do a thing except say the same worde we have all herd before. No back bone just empty words. MM
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see part of the problem as we are dealing with people who react to fear. We cause them NO fear, we demonstrate NO strength. They fear no retaliation, no reactions because with all the ships they have captured and crews nothing has been done for the most part outside of paying them their requested ransomes!!!!!
Until they all feel some pain and understand that the US will harness every asset and tool they have available to inflict the utmost amount of pain possible they will continue to thumb their noses at us.
The other problem is that the political wing believes that these are people that you can talk to, work with, and bargain with (outside of monetary solutions). I do not see them as "getting it". Strike hard, and strike fast, make the pain immediate and something that will always remain in the backs of their mind like the shadows on the walls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
Just my bitter .02
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I say let the corporate ships that have to travel the region arm up, and the rest travel at their own risk.
If they fail to hijack ship after ship and die in the process they'll most certainly stop attempting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see part of the problem as we are dealing with people who react to fear. We cause them NO fear, we demonstrate NO strength. They fear no retaliation, no reactions because with all the ships they have captured and crews nothing has been done for the most part outside of paying them their requested ransomes!!!!!
Until they all feel some pain and understand that the US will harness every asset and tool they have available to inflict the utmost amount of pain possible they will continue to thumb their noses at us.
The other problem is that the political wing believes that these are people that you can talk to, work with, and bargain with (outside of monetary solutions). I do not see them as "getting it". Strike hard, and strike fast, make the pain immediate and something that will always remain in the backs of their mind like the shadows on the walls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
Just my bitter .02
</div></div>
I say let the corporate ships that have to travel the region arm up, and the rest travel at their own risk.
If they fail to hijack ship after ship and die in the process they'll most certainly stop attempting.
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Is there an international law that prohibits arming merchant ships?
Jim
Is there an international law that prohibits arming merchant ships?
Jim
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The sad part is Pirate Central is located in a town called Eyl. So here you have a bunch of mansions built in an area of zero wealth. And it's not a very big town.
My only question is WTF are we waiting for? You don't need both hands and a flashlight to find the bad guys.
The sad part is Pirate Central is located in a town called Eyl. So here you have a bunch of mansions built in an area of zero wealth. And it's not a very big town.
My only question is WTF are we waiting for? You don't need both hands and a flashlight to find the bad guys.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Is there an international law that prohibits arming merchant ships?
Jim </div></div>
If there isn't they sure aren't doing a very good job of protecting their shit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Is there an international law that prohibits arming merchant ships?
Jim </div></div>
If there isn't they sure aren't doing a very good job of protecting their shit.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Is there an international law that prohibits arming merchant ships?
Jim </div></div>
My understanding from friends who own sailboats is that there is no international law but that each country has its own regs and its tough tp know thme all....and many of the turdwater countries dont even play by their own rules..
How about putting the pirates on the catapult of an aircraft carrier and hurling them at Mogadishu from about 15 kilometers away....with leaflets.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Is there an international law that prohibits arming merchant ships?
Jim </div></div>
My understanding from friends who own sailboats is that there is no international law but that each country has its own regs and its tough tp know thme all....and many of the turdwater countries dont even play by their own rules..
How about putting the pirates on the catapult of an aircraft carrier and hurling them at Mogadishu from about 15 kilometers away....with leaflets.
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They have also taken to torturing Hostages these days,maybe to speed up payments ?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/torture-allegations-could-escalate-piracy-war/
They have also taken to torturing Hostages these days,maybe to speed up payments ?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/torture-allegations-could-escalate-piracy-war/
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though. </div></div>
I agree.
It would be like a white redneck riding an electric scooter thru East St Louis at night and not expecting to be bothered.
Still sad though. We should deal the pirates a death blow. </div></div>
And we shouldn't deal the death blow to the people that would harm the "white redneck"????????????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? If you put yourself in risky areas, you better plan on dealing with those risks and the accompanying consequences.
It's a shame though. </div></div>
I agree.
It would be like a white redneck riding an electric scooter thru East St Louis at night and not expecting to be bothered.
Still sad though. We should deal the pirates a death blow. </div></div>
And we shouldn't deal the death blow to the people that would harm the "white redneck"????????????
Re: American hostages killed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have also taken to torturing Hostages these days,maybe to speed up payments ?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/torture-allegations-could-escalate-piracy-war/ </div></div>
If the pirates escalate their violence, they would be inviting stronger response from the maritime nations. It would go back and forth, and eventually the pirates would be killed off. My being aggressive, they are inviting their own death.
On the yachties, it is half their fault. Bibles, no guns, being in the wrong place with a million dollar boat. That is pretty stupid, and they paid the price.
I do not know what started the shooting, but the pirates have sealed their fate. Most will spend decades in prison or be executed. They were stupid also.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have also taken to torturing Hostages these days,maybe to speed up payments ?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/torture-allegations-could-escalate-piracy-war/ </div></div>
If the pirates escalate their violence, they would be inviting stronger response from the maritime nations. It would go back and forth, and eventually the pirates would be killed off. My being aggressive, they are inviting their own death.
On the yachties, it is half their fault. Bibles, no guns, being in the wrong place with a million dollar boat. That is pretty stupid, and they paid the price.
I do not know what started the shooting, but the pirates have sealed their fate. Most will spend decades in prison or be executed. They were stupid also.
Re: American hostages killed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c1steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have also taken to torturing Hostages these days,maybe to speed up payments ?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/torture-allegations-could-escalate-piracy-war/ </div></div>
If the pirates escalate their violence, they would be inviting stronger response from the maritime nations. It would go back and forth, and eventually the pirates would be killed off. My being aggressive, they are inviting their own death.
On the yachties, it is half their fault. Bibles, no guns, being in the wrong place with a million dollar boat. That is pretty stupid, and they paid the price.
I do not know what started the shooting, but the pirates have sealed their fate. Most will spend decades in prison or be executed. They were stupid also. </div></div>
I don't see that happening.
The global political culture is so pussified that in the grand scheme of things the pirates will never be threatenend that greatly.
If you look at our past dealings with threats we have not stepped up to the plate cases in point are North Korea, Iran, Sadr aka Mookie, Somalia and all the other supporters of terrorism.
Our current culture doesn't have the stomach for real unadulterated war. It just wants this half assed crap.
Just my .02
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c1steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have also taken to torturing Hostages these days,maybe to speed up payments ?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/torture-allegations-could-escalate-piracy-war/ </div></div>
If the pirates escalate their violence, they would be inviting stronger response from the maritime nations. It would go back and forth, and eventually the pirates would be killed off. My being aggressive, they are inviting their own death.
On the yachties, it is half their fault. Bibles, no guns, being in the wrong place with a million dollar boat. That is pretty stupid, and they paid the price.
I do not know what started the shooting, but the pirates have sealed their fate. Most will spend decades in prison or be executed. They were stupid also. </div></div>
I don't see that happening.
The global political culture is so pussified that in the grand scheme of things the pirates will never be threatenend that greatly.
If you look at our past dealings with threats we have not stepped up to the plate cases in point are North Korea, Iran, Sadr aka Mookie, Somalia and all the other supporters of terrorism.
Our current culture doesn't have the stomach for real unadulterated war. It just wants this half assed crap.
Just my .02
Re: American hostages killed
All the pirate vessels are known! A single F-18 sortie could take out every mother ship and larger skiffs at sea. Do that a couple of times and the problem would be solved.
All the pirate vessels are known! A single F-18 sortie could take out every mother ship and larger skiffs at sea. Do that a couple of times and the problem would be solved.
Re: American hostages killed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All the pirate vessels are known! A single F-18 sortie could take out every mother ship and larger skiffs at sea. Do that a couple of times and the problem would be solved. </div></div>
The pirates would probably start killing the hostages. Perhaps if a mother ship "disappeared" from time to time, no one would know what happened.
However I believe if they just put armed men on each ship, and shot up every approaching pirate, the problem would go away (quickly).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All the pirate vessels are known! A single F-18 sortie could take out every mother ship and larger skiffs at sea. Do that a couple of times and the problem would be solved. </div></div>
The pirates would probably start killing the hostages. Perhaps if a mother ship "disappeared" from time to time, no one would know what happened.
However I believe if they just put armed men on each ship, and shot up every approaching pirate, the problem would go away (quickly).
Re: American hostages killed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? </div></div>
Handing out bibles believe it or not. The local news here reported that they were part of a group sailing the world handing out bibles and preaching the good word (apparently slow learners).
Pretty pompous to push your values onto people who clearly don't share your ideals and are known to kill people like you but I can't knock them for trying to be good but you can knock them for their naivety. unfortunately for them their naivety cost them their lives.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What were those morons doing there in the first place? </div></div>
Handing out bibles believe it or not. The local news here reported that they were part of a group sailing the world handing out bibles and preaching the good word (apparently slow learners).
Pretty pompous to push your values onto people who clearly don't share your ideals and are known to kill people like you but I can't knock them for trying to be good but you can knock them for their naivety. unfortunately for them their naivety cost them their lives.
Re: American hostages killed
From what I heard on the news passing out bibles was not their main focus.
However, maybe going into a dangerous area, knowing the danger and going anyway to spread the word of God is a form of bravery that isn't seen much anymore.
Jim
From what I heard on the news passing out bibles was not their main focus.
However, maybe going into a dangerous area, knowing the danger and going anyway to spread the word of God is a form of bravery that isn't seen much anymore.
Jim
Re: American hostages killed
All I know is if I was going to be the one on that yacht to die, I would want to go out in a hail of JDAM's. If I am going to die I want to take as many with me as I could.
All I know is if I was going to be the one on that yacht to die, I would want to go out in a hail of JDAM's. If I am going to die I want to take as many with me as I could.
Re: American hostages killed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
However, maybe going into a dangerous area, knowing the danger and going anyway to spread the word of God is a form of bravery that isn't seen much anymore.</div></div>
That's what I was getting at.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
However, maybe going into a dangerous area, knowing the danger and going anyway to spread the word of God is a form of bravery that isn't seen much anymore.</div></div>
That's what I was getting at.
Re: American hostages killed
From what I can see, our biggest problem, is that we are concerned with killing the hostages. To me, it seems if you are dumb enough to sail a mulitmillion dollar yacht into dangerous waters, you forfeit your rights to be protected. Call me harsh, but they should have torpedoed that ship, even if the hostages were alive. If we made it known, that we will sink the ships, even with live friendlies on board, it takes away all the pirates barganing power. Best way to neutralize them, take the hostages out of the equation.
Secondly, merchant ships should be arming their ships. I had heard a few reports that American military were deployed on some of the American ships in those waters.
It seems odd to me, that we have all these satelites, carriers, subs, and whatever else out there. And yet a bunch of 3rd world pirates, our out manuevering us? REALLY? Is it only me, or am I missing something? Fuck all those people, sink every last one of those ships, then send cruise missiles' or infantry after the people who are deploying them.
From what I can see, our biggest problem, is that we are concerned with killing the hostages. To me, it seems if you are dumb enough to sail a mulitmillion dollar yacht into dangerous waters, you forfeit your rights to be protected. Call me harsh, but they should have torpedoed that ship, even if the hostages were alive. If we made it known, that we will sink the ships, even with live friendlies on board, it takes away all the pirates barganing power. Best way to neutralize them, take the hostages out of the equation.
Secondly, merchant ships should be arming their ships. I had heard a few reports that American military were deployed on some of the American ships in those waters.
It seems odd to me, that we have all these satelites, carriers, subs, and whatever else out there. And yet a bunch of 3rd world pirates, our out manuevering us? REALLY? Is it only me, or am I missing something? Fuck all those people, sink every last one of those ships, then send cruise missiles' or infantry after the people who are deploying them.
Re: American hostages killed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> To me, it seems if you are dumb enough to sail a mulitmillion dollar yacht into dangerous waters, you forfeit your rights to be protected. Call me harsh, but they should have torpedoed that ship, even if the hostages were alive. If we made it known, that we will sink the ships, even with live friendlies on board, it takes away all the pirates barganing power. Best way to neutralize them, take the hostages out of the equation.
It seems odd to me, that we have all these satelites, carriers, subs, and whatever else out there. And yet a bunch of 3rd world pirates, our out manuevering us? REALLY? Is it only me, or am I missing something? </div></div>
1st point: While I sort of agree that they shouldn't have been there and probably knew the risks they were still U.S. citizens that are afforded a certain amount of protection and backing by the U.S. The U.S. has a fundamental obligation to protect citizens lives even if it means going to war to do it. (However, this theory has become corrupted over the years often trading our lives for more paper in some asshole's wallet)
2nd point: I think once you spend some time in the Navy you sort of gain perspective on just how large the oceans really are. I would bet that you could fit every single ship the U.S. has into just a handful of acres. There is simply no way to be everywhere at once. Satellites cover fractions of the Earth and the ones doing the looking are only looking at where they have been tasked to look. We don't have 30 satellites up looking at a few square miles of pirate waters in the off chance they pirate something. Once a pirate does jack a ship you could peek down on it but why?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> To me, it seems if you are dumb enough to sail a mulitmillion dollar yacht into dangerous waters, you forfeit your rights to be protected. Call me harsh, but they should have torpedoed that ship, even if the hostages were alive. If we made it known, that we will sink the ships, even with live friendlies on board, it takes away all the pirates barganing power. Best way to neutralize them, take the hostages out of the equation.
It seems odd to me, that we have all these satelites, carriers, subs, and whatever else out there. And yet a bunch of 3rd world pirates, our out manuevering us? REALLY? Is it only me, or am I missing something? </div></div>
1st point: While I sort of agree that they shouldn't have been there and probably knew the risks they were still U.S. citizens that are afforded a certain amount of protection and backing by the U.S. The U.S. has a fundamental obligation to protect citizens lives even if it means going to war to do it. (However, this theory has become corrupted over the years often trading our lives for more paper in some asshole's wallet)
2nd point: I think once you spend some time in the Navy you sort of gain perspective on just how large the oceans really are. I would bet that you could fit every single ship the U.S. has into just a handful of acres. There is simply no way to be everywhere at once. Satellites cover fractions of the Earth and the ones doing the looking are only looking at where they have been tasked to look. We don't have 30 satellites up looking at a few square miles of pirate waters in the off chance they pirate something. Once a pirate does jack a ship you could peek down on it but why?
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