I don't hunt anymore since I sold my pick-up and can't bring an elk home in my Honda. So, just punch holes in paper. I have found that at least in my Remington 700, 52.5 Gr of IMR 4350, with a 135 Gr Sierra Match King, a Hornady neck die and bullet seated 2 thousands off the grooves, I get .31 inch groups at 100 yards, and .74 inch groups at 200 yards. Always looking for ways to improve on what I have so far. The Match King really improved the groups.