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Anyone ever see precision rifle with cooling fins

Prophet1975

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not selling just sharing what I have and trying to locate any other info on it

back story on this rifle…

There were 12 of these made commissioned for Macdill SOCOM in Tampa by Aurora Arms chambered in 308 in 2011. They made 3 with this cooling vent Barrel for testing with a Bushnell HDMR Tremor2 FF 3.5 - 21X60 w badger USMC rings. The cooling fins also lightened the barrel and helped with harmonics. In the end the Marines opted for the multi caliber rifle. Anyone else ever see a precision rifle make with cooling vents? Oh and I love the Marine math in log book
 

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Interesting. Wonder if it worked as planned. Thanks, now I want to build one.
Took it out for a spin yesterday….not going to lie, I couldn’t turn the turrets so I Kentucky windage the groupings….my dumbass didn’t realize you just had to pull up on them. Going back to range Tuesday lol
 

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I saw in a video a water cooled barrel , then I guess someone else saw that video cause they built there own using a fish tank pump it flows water through and over the barrel keeping it cool , the most we have done is to use an air mattress air pump from on amazon to blow air through the barrel to help it cool off and while I does work a 100 x's better than the premade bought chamber chillers at 1/2 the cost I already carry tons of stuff I really don't need . now a days I just shoot a little less in between breaks if the barrel don't get to hot then you don't have to over think cooling it off ,
 
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not selling just sharing what I have and trying to locate any other info on it

back story on this rifle…

There were 12 of these made commissioned for Macdill SOCOM in Tampa by Aurora Arms chambered in 308 in 2011. They made 3 with this cooling vent Barrel for testing with a Bushnell HDMR Tremor2 FF 3.5 - 21X60 w badger USMC rings. The cooling fins also lightened the barrel and helped with harmonics. In the end the Marines opted for the multi caliber rifle. Anyone else ever see a precision rifle make with cooling vents? Oh and I love the Marine math in log book
Mathist
 
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My structured barrel rifle has cooling 'dimples.' They add surface area.

Fins are as old as rapid-firing guns. If they are back in vogue, there is nothing wrong with them at all! Certainly better than some of the things I've seen attempted.

@Frank Green @John Baker both may be able to weigh in.

But don't count the technology out by any means!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
My structured barrel rifle has cooling 'dimples.' They add surface area.

Fins are as old as rapid-firing guns. If they are back in vogue, there is nothing wrong with them at all! Certainly better than some of the things I've seen attempted.

@Frank Green @John Baker both may be able to weigh in.

But don't count the technology out by any means!

Cheers,

Sirhr
This was built in 2011. I was just wondering if anyone had seen on precision rifles
 
This was built in 2011. I was just wondering if anyone had seen on precision rifles

Yes. But in much “finer” form. Think microfins that look like fine threads… but are fins.

That is “older style” deep fins. And probably very effective? But May have some downsides on barrels used in military applications (vs range or bench rest.)

Your rifle is incredibly cool, BTW! Thanks for sharing and posting!!

Sirhr
 
Yes. But in much “finer” form. Think microfins that look like fine threads… but are fins.

That is “older style” deep fins. And probably very effective? But May have some downsides on barrels used in military applications (vs range or bench rest.)

Your rifle is incredibly cool, BTW! Thanks for sharing and posting!!

Sirhr
Thank you very much. I feel pretty fortunate to of found it
 
My structured barrel rifle has cooling 'dimples.' They add surface area.

Fins are as old as rapid-firing guns. If they are back in vogue, there is nothing wrong with them at all! Certainly better than some of the things I've seen attempted.

@Frank Green @John Baker both may be able to weigh in.

But don't count the technology out by any means!

Cheers,

Sirhr
Does fluting the barrel help cool it? Or is it for the cool factor?
 
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Beat me to it! Ultima Ratio Intervention 1 or 2 with the heatsink barrel.
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Pretty cool! Thanks for the info. The timelines definitely add up being 2010-2011 timeframe on testing
 
I want to thank everyone that provided input so far….my buddy told me this was a toxic forum lol. So far you all have proven him wrong lol
 
I want to thank everyone that provided input so far….my buddy told me this was a toxic forum lol. So far you all have proven him wrong lol
Very cool rifle! As for the forum being toxic, it's just a reaction to guys who are being idiots and/or trying to turn every section into the PX. Don't do these 2 things and you'll probably never have an issue. We're a pretty tightly knit group in the Vintage Section, but we welcome everyone, especially if they begin by posting cool rifles like this
 
Very cool rifle! As for the forum being toxic, it's just a reaction to guys who are being idiots and/or trying to turn every section into the PX. Don't do these 2 things and you'll probably never have an issue. We're a pretty tightly knit group in the Vintage Section, but we welcome everyone, especially if they begin by posting cool rifles like this
Thanks,

In a few weeks I’m going down to SOCOM Tampa on Macdill and see if I can get more info. I love a treasure hunt!
 
It strengthens it in several ways. And any extra surface area is extra cooling. The more metal “interfacing” with air, the faster it cools.

Sirhr
I'll add some thought to this that I've learned and have seen over the years.

Doing a simple mechanical test a couple of different ways. Using the same contour barrel....... that's important there.

I put both a fluted and unfluted HV contour barrels on a bench center. I put a dial indicator in the middle of the barrel (on the bottom side) and then placed a 20# weight on the top center of the blank. The fluted barrel (going off of memory here) flexed like .020" to .030" more than the unfluted barrel. The fluted barrel had flutes .100" deep.

Taking the barrels and chucking on the breech end in a lathe and did a similar test but hanging a weight off the muzzle. If I recall correctly the fluted barrel flexed less.

Not a great comparison but take a flat piece of sheet metal. Then put ribs in it like a corrugated material. If the ribs run the length wise and you bend it the width wise you can bend/flex it pretty easy but try and bend it the other way and good luck with that.

I agree by adding the flutes it gives the barrel more surface area so more air can get at the steel. This will help it cool faster. Will it help barrel life? I'll say no in the grand scheme of things but it won't hurt ya either.

By fluting the blank you will take weight out. So it will make it lighter.

It's cosmetic. Some like it because of the way it looks.

I would never flute a button rifled or hammer forged barrel. Why? Your dealing with residual stress in the barrel blank and fluting the blank, contouring it etc.... the machining operation will make the barrel steel move around (relieve itself) when this happens the bore will open up/change on you. When this happens you cannot make it go back. Hence forth accuracy will and usually does suffer.

The above isn't a problem with cut rifled barrels but I do feel you can flute the barrel blank too deep. This can also cause harmonic/vibration issues. So as a guide line....

Barrels up to a .750" muzzle diameter we don't go any deeper than .050" on the flutes.
Barrels with a muzzle diameter from .775" to .830" max depth is .075"
Barrels with a muzzle diameter from .850" and larger max depth is .100".

There is also an argument that if one flute is a few thou deeper than an opposing flute that can cause the bore to change when you fire a bullet down it. I get the idea but don't know really how to prove it. I would agree with the theory though.

As far as radial fins are concerned. Is it better than conventional fluting? Beats me. Been around for a long time. The biggest thing I'd be curious about is doing some sort of flexing/measuring set up to see if it flexs more vs a unfluted and fluted barrel. I would gather to say yes it will.

Almost made some replacement DSHK 12.7x108mm barrel blanks but it never happened. Talk about radial cooling fins.....

Later, Frank

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The other thing I've never seen and it would be cool...

Is to test fluted and unfluted barrels with some sort of measuring set up and or with high speed photography....to try and measure how much or is there a difference in barrel whip when the gun gets fired.

I won't name the maker but they did test fluted barrels (our barrels)....same contour but one caliber was 300wm and the other was 338 Lapua. It was a test of not one or two barrels but a test of 10 each per caliber.

Flutes went really deep. Like .150" or so on a straight tapered barrel with a .900" muzzle. The 300wm barrels had no issues but two of the 338 Lapua's (out of 10) would throw random fliers. Same contour, same flute spec. but the difference was another .030" out of the bore. So it made the wall thickness thinner on the 338 Lapua barrels.

So they redid the contour to save weight and skipped the fluting. All fliers stopped after that. When that test happened that's when we took a hard look at flute depth vs contour.

So regardless of how the barrel is made...I do feel you can flute them too deep.

Some other shops offering fluting even on our blanks we see a few barrels a year that don't foul excessively etc...but will throw random fliers and all of them have flutes that are in my opinion too deep. So I'm getting more and more to the point that if a guy sends a rifle/barrel to us with this issue and the flutes are really deep. I'm to the point of not warranty the barrel for really deep flutes.

You want to save weight...skip the fluting and change the contour size.
 
The other thing I've never seen and it would be cool...

Is to test fluted and unfluted barrels with some sort of measuring set up and or with high speed photography....to try and measure how much or is there a difference in barrel whip when the gun gets fired.

I won't name the maker but they did test fluted barrels (our barrels)....same contour but one caliber was 300wm and the other was 338 Lapua. It was a test of not one or two barrels but a test of 10 each per caliber.

Flutes went really deep. Like .150" or so on a straight tapered barrel with a .900" muzzle. The 300wm barrels had no issues but two of the 338 Lapua's (out of 10) would throw random fliers. Same contour, same flute spec. but the difference was another .030" out of the bore. So it made the wall thickness thinner on the 338 Lapua barrels.

So they redid the contour to save weight and skipped the fluting. All fliers stopped after that. When that test happened that's when we took a hard look at flute depth vs contour.

So regardless of how the barrel is made...I do feel you can flute them too deep.

Some other shops offering fluting even on our blanks we see a few barrels a year that don't foul excessively etc...but will throw random fliers and all of them have flutes that are in my opinion too deep. So I'm getting more and more to the point that if a guy sends a rifle/barrel to us with this issue and the flutes are really deep. I'm to the point of not warranty the barrel for really deep flutes.

You want to save weight...skip the fluting and change the contour size.
Fluting too deep you say? Saved from here awhile ago. Somebody found it for sale and was posted for a laugh.
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I want to thank everyone that provided input so far….my buddy told me this was a toxic forum lol. So far you all have proven him wrong lol
I wouldn't say that. It's all about tolerance for bullshit. There ain't none here. Post up some stupid shit and pretend to be operator as fuck. Things will go south fast in a hurry, and the pigpile will get deep fast.
 
Does fluting the barrel help cool it? Or is it for the cool factor?
We have a spread sheet that describes the final weight and increase in surface area as a flute is added. We need the radius/diameter of the cutter and depth along with length.
Flutes from my simplistic view:
Reduce weight - yes. However, the next question is to what cost. What is the compromise?
Cooling surface increase- minimal until you really start sinking the cutter. You are replacing a current barrel radius length with another radius length.
Strength- overall is a reduction. The section will bend/fail at its least material condition- the bottom of the flute. Minimal depth flutes do not have sufficient perpendicular walls to allow for a distribution of a bending force/moment. Think I beams: used correctly very strong. Turn them on their sides- not so much. Without a vertical wall section the flute is not capable of adding strength to any great degree. I believe Accuracy International (?)did a significant study on flutes during the last large rifle contract proposals. They went away from flutes- Sako added them...??
We thought about producing a barrel with deep flutes with vertical wall sections. In the end simulations showed it would never be as strong as our design. We have an outer tube that is a major strength component. Plus it is cooler and slow to expand allowing a bore change- a strong reason our SD stay flatter much longer. The inner tubes are within themselves in compression and tension during bending, but also working with each other. Essentially each tube has a mirror tube trying to do the exact opposite "motion" creating cancellation.
 
I wouldn't say that. It's all about tolerance for bullshit. There ain't none here. Post up some stupid shit and pretend to be operator as fuck. Things will go south fast in a hurry, and the pigpile will get deep fast.

Wait……you’re not a Marine Recon Ranger Sniper SEAL? I thought everyone was 🤷🏻‍♂️. 🤣😂🤣
 
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The other thing I've never seen and it would be cool...

Is to test fluted and unfluted barrels with some sort of measuring set up and or with high speed photography....to try and measure how much or is there a difference in barrel whip when the gun gets fired.

I won't name the maker but they did test fluted barrels (our barrels)....same contour but one caliber was 300wm and the other was 338 Lapua. It was a test of not one or two barrels but a test of 10 each per caliber.

Flutes went really deep. Like .150" or so on a straight tapered barrel with a .900" muzzle. The 300wm barrels had no issues but two of the 338 Lapua's (out of 10) would throw random fliers. Same contour, same flute spec. but the difference was another .030" out of the bore. So it made the wall thickness thinner on the 338 Lapua barrels.

So they redid the contour to save weight and skipped the fluting. All fliers stopped after that. When that test happened that's when we took a hard look at flute depth vs contour.

So regardless of how the barrel is made...I do feel you can flute them too deep.

Some other shops offering fluting even on our blanks we see a few barrels a year that don't foul excessively etc...but will throw random fliers and all of them have flutes that are in my opinion too deep. So I'm getting more and more to the point that if a guy sends a rifle/barrel to us with this issue and the flutes are really deep. I'm to the point of not warranty the barrel for really deep flutes.

You want to save weight...skip the fluting and change the contour size.
Do you think the issue is with the random fliers has something to do with stress relief?

Would stress relieving the barrel again after it's been fluted be a potential fix?
 
Wait……you’re not a Marine Recon Ranger Sniper SEAL? I thought everyone was 🤷🏻‍♂️. 🤣😂🤣
Negative, I am a Delta Pathfinder Seabee Marksman SOG. I am the ones the Marine Recon Ranger Sniper SEALs kowtowed to and prayed to Army Jesus that I was watching over them. I killed fiddy men with two bullets once, and another time I killed two men with fiddy bullets. They had on them juggernaut suits so I just flew my A10 over and RATATATATATATA'd their ass.

And that's just the stuff I can tell you about on the internet. The rest is all in my upcoming book/podcast/movie/TV reboot 20-year cinematic universe on the CW.

;)
 
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Negative, I am a Delta Pathfinder Seabee Marksman SOG. I am the ones the Marine Recon Ranger Sniper SEALs kowtowed to and prayed to Army Jesus that I was watching over them. I killed fiddy men with two bullets once, and another time I killed two men with fiddy bullets. They had on them juggernaut suits so I just flew my A10 over and RATATATATATATA'd their ass.

And that's just the stuff I can tell you about on the internet. The rest is all in my upcoming book/podcast/movie/TV reboot 20-year cinematic universe on the CW.

;)
Sooooooo many of them out there. It’s hilarious
 
Do you think the issue is with the random fliers has something to do with stress relief?

Would stress relieving the barrel again after it's been fluted be a potential fix?
I'll say no. Maybe I should say with Murphys law....anything can happen.

The reason I say no in our case is because the bore dimensions didn't change/go sour on us. So that tells me it wasn't a stress thing. Just a harmonics/vibration issue.

Also we've done barrels where we fluted them both before and or after rifling and haven't seen a difference in performance.

Again my guess on that it was purely a harmonics/vibration issue.
 
Negative, I am a Delta Pathfinder Seabee Marksman SOG. I am the ones the Marine Recon Ranger Sniper SEALs kowtowed to and prayed to Army Jesus that I was watching over them. I killed fiddy men with two bullets once, and another time I killed two men with fiddy bullets. They had on them juggernaut suits so I just flew my A10 over and RATATATATATATA'd their ass.

And that's just the stuff I can tell you about on the internet. The rest is all in my upcoming book/podcast/movie/TV reboot 20-year cinematic universe on the CW.

;)

You forgot the bow kills and concrete work…

Sirhr
 
I mean I used concrete arrow tips for my record breaking kill streak. Does that count

Only if you were wearing Velcro sneakers and were an aspiring CIA sniper doggy daycare gay porn star.

Not making that shit up… he was among us…

Anyway, back to this being a serious thread.

Sirhr
 
Sounds good…you should trademark that lol….I like it a lot
Not tactical enough, call it your “cross-axial thermoregulation protocol” and charge 4000% markup. I knew a few snipers who have moved on to 1st CivDiv but would shill for your HSLD product.
 
There were 12 of these made commissioned for Macdill SOCOM in Tampa by Aurora Arms chambered in 308 in 2011. They made 3 with this cooling vent Barrel for testing with a Bushnell HDMR Tremor2 FF 3.5 - 21X60 w badger USMC rings.
Thanks for this post, I have never seen a prototype rifle like that. It's neat for sure. (Not to be too persnickety, but pretty sure that Bushnell scope is 3.5-21x50mm - not 60mm). Fwiw, I have the same scope but with the H59 Horus reticle. I just wish I could find an old school AI Gen 1 or Gen 1.5 chassis in FDE/tan or OD green for a short action M700, as I have these parts set aside for a 6.5 CM project. Just don't yet have a chassis, and something about those old AI chassis really appeals to me. Thanks again for posting that info re a "quasi-vintage" and unusual sniper rifle.

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Thanks for this post, I have never seen a prototype rifle like that. It's neat for sure. (Not to be too persnickety, but pretty sure that Bushnell scope is 3.5-21x50mm - not 60mm). Fwiw, I have the same scope but with the H59 Horus reticle. I just wish I could find an old school AI Gen 1 or Gen 1.5 chassis in FDE/tan or OD green for a short action M700, as I have these parts set aside for a 6.5 CM project. Just don't yet have a chassis, and something about those old AI chassis really appeals to me. Thanks again for posting that info re a "quasi-vintage" and unusual sniper rifle.

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You’re probably right. I was just going on what the information given said. Here was the info
 

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Thanks for this post, I have never seen a prototype rifle like that. It's neat for sure. (Not to be too persnickety, but pretty sure that Bushnell scope is 3.5-21x50mm - not 60mm). Fwiw, I have the same scope but with the H59 Horus reticle. I just wish I could find an old school AI Gen 1 or Gen 1.5 chassis in FDE/tan or OD green for a short action M700, as I have these parts set aside for a 6.5 CM project. Just don't yet have a chassis, and something about those old AI chassis really appeals to me. Thanks again for posting that info re a "quasi-vintage" and unusual sniper rifle.

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Thank you for the compliment as well. I hope you find a chassis for your rifle. I saw a wooX chassis that was super cool! Should check it out