how hard is it to export ar bits outta america? thinking of a new toy. the other question is how well do they work with a supressor, have had a blast with a supressed mini 14 and got a face full of gas.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimbothepunk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">what does everyone think of dpms?</span></div></div>
Read the following thread before purchasing from DPMS.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2308982#Post2308982
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimbothepunk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">what does everyone think of dpms?</span></div></div>
Read the following thread before purchasing from DPMS.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2308982#Post2308982
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wow thanks the reson i asked about dpms is that ive found i guy that imports dpms, rock river arms and armalite in nz, ive never heard of the later 2 so dpms was it but by the looks armalite seem to be the way, do they do something in 6 or 6.5mm
wow thanks the reson i asked about dpms is that ive found i guy that imports dpms, rock river arms and armalite in nz, ive never heard of the later 2 so dpms was it but by the looks armalite seem to be the way, do they do something in 6 or 6.5mm
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I've owned several Rock River AR's and would buy another. I wouldn't consider a DPMS after some recent reports I've seen. Good luck!
I've owned several Rock River AR's and would buy another. I wouldn't consider a DPMS after some recent reports I've seen. Good luck!
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Do NOT buy a DPMS rifle. They are the bottom of the barrel (along with Olympic Arms, and Hesse/Vulcan) as far as any AR platform rifle goes.
Rock River Arms has a DEA (US Drug Enforcement Agency) contract.
Armalite rifles tend to be fairly good - they are by far and away better than the DPMS.
Either of the other options (RRA or Armalite) are quite good, so I couldn't recommend one over the other.
Do NOT buy a DPMS rifle. They are the bottom of the barrel (along with Olympic Arms, and Hesse/Vulcan) as far as any AR platform rifle goes.
Rock River Arms has a DEA (US Drug Enforcement Agency) contract.
Armalite rifles tend to be fairly good - they are by far and away better than the DPMS.
Either of the other options (RRA or Armalite) are quite good, so I couldn't recommend one over the other.
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DPMS will be ok if you assemble it yourself with better parts, meaning you are using the upper and lower recievers only.Select better barrel, parts, trigger etc then have someone that knows what they're doing put it together ( or do it yourself it's not that hard).
DPMS will be ok if you assemble it yourself with better parts, meaning you are using the upper and lower recievers only.Select better barrel, parts, trigger etc then have someone that knows what they're doing put it together ( or do it yourself it's not that hard).
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeltaSierra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do NOT buy a DPMS rifle. They are the bottom of the barrel (along with Olympic Arms, and Hesse/Vulcan) as far as any AR platform rifle goes.
Rock River Arms has a DEA (US Drug Enforcement Agency) contract.
Armalite rifles tend to be fairly good - they are by far and away better than the DPMS.
Either of the other options (RRA or Armalite) are quite good, so I couldn't recommend one over the other.</div></div>
I have seen some parts out of spec with DPMS. Specifically, in the lower parts kits. DPMS buys these parts from other companies, though I do not remember the names.
I have seen problems with RRA too. My department purchased 25 M4 rifles and 10 LAR8 rifles from them. I had a G36 at he time, so I don't know what problems they were having, but all M4s had to be sent back to RRA. We had a feeding/headspace problem without the LAR8. All of our LAR8s were shipped back to the factory to be
headspaced.
I have seen LMT uppers that werent machined correctly and sat about 1/8"'to 3/16" too far to one side of the lower. Sure, they may have worked, but why have a POS upper after paying $1800? It shows all companies run into quality comtrol problems.
Am I saying I wouldn't buy a RRA, DPMS or and LMT? No. All are fine. All have problems because they are most likely assembled on an assembly line. They are not custom rifles. I will add that RRA doesn't offer 41/50 steel in their barrels and I have never seen a DPMS barrel chrome lined. You need to know what is offered before deciding what to buy.
I know the former owner of Cobb50. He sold his company to Bushmaster and he designed the best 50 cal on the market for quite sometime. He also had another company machine some AR lowers for him. He recommends using DPMS parts and uses some on the AR rifles he has built for himself. He also claims the DPMS 308 rifles are good rifles and extremely accurate for the money.
I'm not trying to get you to buy a DPMS or trying to get you away from RRA, just want you to know my experience with them.
BTW, I heard last week that the DEA isn't using their RRA M4s anymore as they has too many problems with them. My department had the same exact rifle the DEA was using. We haven't had an issue with them since we sent them back for repair. We did mount scopes the LAR8s last week and shot them from 100 yards. We averaged about 2.5" groups
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeltaSierra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do NOT buy a DPMS rifle. They are the bottom of the barrel (along with Olympic Arms, and Hesse/Vulcan) as far as any AR platform rifle goes.
Rock River Arms has a DEA (US Drug Enforcement Agency) contract.
Armalite rifles tend to be fairly good - they are by far and away better than the DPMS.
Either of the other options (RRA or Armalite) are quite good, so I couldn't recommend one over the other.</div></div>
I have seen some parts out of spec with DPMS. Specifically, in the lower parts kits. DPMS buys these parts from other companies, though I do not remember the names.
I have seen problems with RRA too. My department purchased 25 M4 rifles and 10 LAR8 rifles from them. I had a G36 at he time, so I don't know what problems they were having, but all M4s had to be sent back to RRA. We had a feeding/headspace problem without the LAR8. All of our LAR8s were shipped back to the factory to be
headspaced.
I have seen LMT uppers that werent machined correctly and sat about 1/8"'to 3/16" too far to one side of the lower. Sure, they may have worked, but why have a POS upper after paying $1800? It shows all companies run into quality comtrol problems.
Am I saying I wouldn't buy a RRA, DPMS or and LMT? No. All are fine. All have problems because they are most likely assembled on an assembly line. They are not custom rifles. I will add that RRA doesn't offer 41/50 steel in their barrels and I have never seen a DPMS barrel chrome lined. You need to know what is offered before deciding what to buy.
I know the former owner of Cobb50. He sold his company to Bushmaster and he designed the best 50 cal on the market for quite sometime. He also had another company machine some AR lowers for him. He recommends using DPMS parts and uses some on the AR rifles he has built for himself. He also claims the DPMS 308 rifles are good rifles and extremely accurate for the money.
I'm not trying to get you to buy a DPMS or trying to get you away from RRA, just want you to know my experience with them.
BTW, I heard last week that the DEA isn't using their RRA M4s anymore as they has too many problems with them. My department had the same exact rifle the DEA was using. We haven't had an issue with them since we sent them back for repair. We did mount scopes the LAR8s last week and shot them from 100 yards. We averaged about 2.5" groups
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Exhogflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DPMS will be ok if you assemble it yourself with better parts, meaning you are using the upper and lower recievers only.Select better barrel, parts, trigger etc then have someone that knows what they're doing put it together ( or do it yourself it's not that hard).</div></div>
I would agree with this statement. You will guarantee it is put together correctly if you assemble it yourself. I would use their lower parts kits and bolt carriers as well. As previously stated, I'm not sure their barrels are chrome lined. If this is OK with you, you could just buy a parts kit and put it together yourself. Otherwise, look into other barrels and parts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Exhogflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DPMS will be ok if you assemble it yourself with better parts, meaning you are using the upper and lower recievers only.Select better barrel, parts, trigger etc then have someone that knows what they're doing put it together ( or do it yourself it's not that hard).</div></div>
I would agree with this statement. You will guarantee it is put together correctly if you assemble it yourself. I would use their lower parts kits and bolt carriers as well. As previously stated, I'm not sure their barrels are chrome lined. If this is OK with you, you could just buy a parts kit and put it together yourself. Otherwise, look into other barrels and parts.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimbothepunk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks guys is 2.5" a normal group with ars, factory or hand laods</div></div> Your questions and statements are all so vague, my AR will shoot 3/4 minute but its not factory at all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jimbothepunk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks guys is 2.5" a normal group with ars, factory or hand laods</div></div> Your questions and statements are all so vague, my AR will shoot 3/4 minute but its not factory at all.
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Thanks for the post.
A couple of things I would like to point out though...
The DPMS .308 rifles, are well know for having serious issues - a fellow marksmanship instructor had a student bring a BRAND NEW DPMS .308 ( refuse to call the crud they produce an AR-10) to a shoot. Within about 500 rounds, the bolt was reaming out the upper receiver. Talk about quality....
As far as the RRA goes, of course they aren't perfect, and they would not be my first choice. If you are trying to decide between an RRA and a DPMS though....
I'll have to check out the info regarding the DEA contract...
Thanks for the post.
A couple of things I would like to point out though...
The DPMS .308 rifles, are well know for having serious issues - a fellow marksmanship instructor had a student bring a BRAND NEW DPMS .308 ( refuse to call the crud they produce an AR-10) to a shoot. Within about 500 rounds, the bolt was reaming out the upper receiver. Talk about quality....
As far as the RRA goes, of course they aren't perfect, and they would not be my first choice. If you are trying to decide between an RRA and a DPMS though....
I'll have to check out the info regarding the DEA contract...
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DPMS has always been known for quality control issues. The first upper I bought from them was out of spec thus causing multiple issues. After I got that straight the remainder of my rifle assembly was simple. And it shoots well. However with this experience I can confidently say that I would never purchase a complete rifle from them. The QC simply isn't good enough. However if you assemble the rifle yourself and ensure proper assembly then DPMS is fine.
DPMS has always been known for quality control issues. The first upper I bought from them was out of spec thus causing multiple issues. After I got that straight the remainder of my rifle assembly was simple. And it shoots well. However with this experience I can confidently say that I would never purchase a complete rifle from them. The QC simply isn't good enough. However if you assemble the rifle yourself and ensure proper assembly then DPMS is fine.
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Update: friend had an out of spec DPMS upper that wouldnt even fit onto the lower. They are back on my "do not buy" list. I was considering a .308 AR.
As previously stated, I have seen a lot of problems with RRA as well, though I do think they are better than DPMS.
I think I am going with the Bushmaster ORC..........
Update: friend had an out of spec DPMS upper that wouldnt even fit onto the lower. They are back on my "do not buy" list. I was considering a .308 AR.
As previously stated, I have seen a lot of problems with RRA as well, though I do think they are better than DPMS.
I think I am going with the Bushmaster ORC..........
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PSL1078</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Update: friend had an out of spec DPMS upper that wouldnt even fit onto the lower. They are back on my "do not buy" list. I was considering a .308 AR.
As previously stated, I have seen a lot of problems with RRA as well, though I do think they are better than DPMS.
I think I am going with the Bushmaster ORC..........</div></div> This is second hand info to me, but I believe the Bushmaster ORC is made by DPMS with the Bushmaster roll marks. Again, this is what I've heard on here from other members, so take it for what it's worth.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PSL1078</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Update: friend had an out of spec DPMS upper that wouldnt even fit onto the lower. They are back on my "do not buy" list. I was considering a .308 AR.
As previously stated, I have seen a lot of problems with RRA as well, though I do think they are better than DPMS.
I think I am going with the Bushmaster ORC..........</div></div> This is second hand info to me, but I believe the Bushmaster ORC is made by DPMS with the Bushmaster roll marks. Again, this is what I've heard on here from other members, so take it for what it's worth.
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DPMS, Bushmaster, Remington, AAC and a few others are owned by Cerberus but from what I understand they still function autonomously.
I would not get the DPMS and as was stated earlier, the RRA and Armalite are about equal. If you can find an exporter here in the us and it's otherwise legal in NZ you should consider looking into a higher-end AR if for no other reason than it's a PITA for you to get them.
You could look at Colt, LMT, Noveske, or a number of others if you have the cash and willingness to spend the extra time.
DPMS, Bushmaster, Remington, AAC and a few others are owned by Cerberus but from what I understand they still function autonomously.
I would not get the DPMS and as was stated earlier, the RRA and Armalite are about equal. If you can find an exporter here in the us and it's otherwise legal in NZ you should consider looking into a higher-end AR if for no other reason than it's a PITA for you to get them.
You could look at Colt, LMT, Noveske, or a number of others if you have the cash and willingness to spend the extra time.
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