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Rifle Scopes Are sun shades really necessary?

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They can also help image quality by keeping off axis light from entering the objective. This is the reason professional photographers use lens hoods on their cameras. Not to mention keeping rain off the objective when shooting in wet weather and no sun.
 
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They are actually very helpful if used for their intended purpose of reducing glare. It's also a "looks" thing for me, LOL. I've never seen a scope that didn't look better with a reasonably sized sunshade on it.
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It also helps from errant fingerprints and and "glass touches" since it puts so much relief depth to the surface.

For all the above reasons (yes, even the looks thing to a degree) I keep my scopes with sunshades on them.

Protection of the glass is the #1 priority for me.
 
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No, they are not a requirement. PLENTY of dudes have died in the cross hairs of a scope without a sunshade.

A lot of people get them for the simple tacticool factor... It looks SOOOOOO much better if you mount a lunar telescope to your SBR AR15.
 
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That being said... there are times they can be of use (see above)- but it's far less often than you see them used.
 
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Its a tool just like anything els. Here in Kali we get a whole lot of sun, so a shade with ARD is pretty much a requirement if you dont want a washed out image.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, they are not a requirement. PLENTY of dudes have died in the cross hairs of a scope without a sunshade.

A lot of people get them for the simple tacticool factor... It looks SOOOOOO much better if you mount a lunar telescope to your SBR AR15. </div></div>

Plenty of dudes died from trebuchets also, but they don't have the best ballistics available. Save the dumbass ARFcom responses for dumbass posts.

Sunshades are very useful, for all the reasons listed above.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: saleen308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm debating about getting one for my Vortex Viper 6/24-50. </div></div>

Your debating over a $30. item, that goes on a $500. scope???

A sunshade shields your lens from glare out, and it protects the end of your ocular lens, for gosh sakes. If that's not enough, what else do you need to be convinced about?

You think we were talking about a $200. accessory here. Buy one or don't, and move on.

If you spent enough time shooting, as worry about it, you would know if you needed one or not........
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: saleen308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm debating about getting one for my Vortex Viper 6/24-50. </div></div>

Your debating over a $30. item, that goes on a $500. scope???

A sunshade shields your lens from glare out, and it protects the end of your ocular lens, for gosh sakes. If that's not enough, what else do you need to be convinced about?

You think we were talking about a $200. accessory here. Buy one or don't, and move on.

If you spent enough time shooting, as worry about it, you would know if you needed one or not........

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It has nothing to do with price and everything to do with usefulness. Sorry I'm not one of the ARF.com guys that thinks more sh!t on my gun makes for a better shooter.

I've received enough responses from the above I'll order one. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting money on tacticool stuff.
 
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I dont see how a shade is tacticool in any way. It was designed to do a job, and when used properly it does that job very well.

When you get a chance to shoot on a bright sunny day, look through your scope with and without the shade, you will see why it is needed.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, they are not a requirement. PLENTY of dudes have died in the cross hairs of a scope without a sunshade.

A lot of people get them for the simple tacticool factor... It looks SOOOOOO much better if you mount a lunar telescope to your SBR AR15. </div></div>

Plenty of dudes died from trebuchets also, but they don't have the best ballistics available. Save the dumbass ARFcom responses for dumbass posts.

Sunshades are very useful, for all the reasons listed above. </div></div>

How about you stop being a D-bag and read BOTH of my posts? --- they were literally 30 seconds apart with no posts between them. I acknowledged their usefulness, but noted that they are often used when not needed, simply for looks. If they were a requirement for a scope to perform, they would come with every scope and wouldn't be easily removable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you spent enough time shooting, as worry about it, you would know if you needed one or not........
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That may replace Frank's quote in my signature!
<span style="font-style: italic">-the douchebag</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont see how a shade is tacticool in any way. It was designed to do a job, and when used properly it does that job very well.

When you get a chance to shoot on a bright sunny day, look through your scope with and without the shade, you will see why it is needed. </div></div>

what be said... I personally hate the way they look on my scope, but like them in function. I fail to see how tacticool they are, but I guess if you think a super long scope looks cool, then it serves that purpose.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, they are not a requirement. PLENTY of dudes have died in the cross hairs of a scope without a sunshade.

A lot of people get them for the simple tacticool factor... It looks SOOOOOO much better if you mount a lunar telescope to your SBR AR15. </div></div>

Plenty of dudes died from trebuchets also, but they don't have the best ballistics available. Save the dumbass ARFcom responses for dumbass posts.

Sunshades are very useful, for all the reasons listed above. </div></div>

don't fret over Sorbiker dude, he's just bitter b/c his mom ripped his ear with a coat hanger when he was in the tum-tum....

How about you stop being a D-bag and read BOTH of my posts? --- they were literally 30 seconds apart with no posts between them. I acknowledged their usefulness, but noted that they are often used when not needed, simply for looks. If they were a requirement for a scope to perform, they would come with every scope and wouldn't be easily removable. </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they were a requirement for a scope to perform, they would come with every scope and wouldn't be easily removable. </div></div>

They do come with almost every NXS and they're easily removable so that you can clean the glass when necessary. Considering the cost of accessories from NF, if they didn't think it was necessary to include the shade, they would probably charge 100 bucks for it just like USO does.
 
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I was lining up on a scwoowy wabbit the other evening that was west of me.
I didn't have a sunshade on my 17 HMR.
Man, by the time I sorted through the glare it was gone!
Luckily, it's cousin came hopping along behind it more to the south.

This was a revelation for me. Not the sunshade, but how tasty a couple cottontails can be in a stew
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If they were a requirement for a scope to perform, they would come with every scope and wouldn't be easily removable. </div></div>

Dp425,

Just for FYI:

Falcon Menace 10x42mm - Two sunshades supplied with scope

Falcon Menace 7.5x50mm - One sunshade supplied with scope, and one installed permanently, glued on...

SS 3-9x42mm - One sunshade supplied with scope

Bushnell 6-24x50mm Tactical - One sunshade supplied with scope

IOR 3-18x42mm - One sunshade supplied with scope

Those scopes run new from $250 to $1550., and that's just scopes I bought in the last year.....Seems pretty much like a requirement for a tactical scope to me.........

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they were a requirement for a scope to perform, they would come with every scope and wouldn't be easily removable. </div></div>

They do come with almost every NXS and they're easily removable so that you can clean the glass when necessary. Considering the cost of accessories from NF, if they didn't think it was necessary to include the shade, they would <span style="font-weight: bold">probably charge 100 bucks for it just like USO does</span>. </div></div>

I dont know what sunshade you bought from USO that cost $100, but I would love to see it. Other than that, I agree with what you are saying.
 
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Shades for me, thank you. Not only for cutting glare, but also for protecting optics. I think rifle scopes should have shades built in like the ones on the Zeiss spotting scopes; twist to extend, reverse twist to retract.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If they were a requirement for a scope to perform, they would come with every scope and wouldn't be easily removable. </div></div>

Dp425,

Just for FYI:

Falcon Menace 10x42mm - Two sunshades supplied with scope

Falcon Menace 7.5x50mm - One sunshade supplied with scope, and one installed permanently, glued on...

SS 3-9x42mm - One sunshade supplied with scope

Bushnell 6-24x50mm Tactical - One sunshade supplied with scope

IOR 3-18x42mm - One sunshade supplied with scope

Those scopes run new from $250 to $1550., and that's just scopes I bought in the last year.....Seems pretty much like a requirement for a tactical scope to me.........

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You named four brands that come with it... that proves nothing. Plenty of others do not come with it.

Again, people are missing the point- they are NOT a requirement. Helpful under some conditions, yes... But not everyone NEEDS one... despite the fact that the majority of people WANT one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You named four brands that come with it... that proves nothing. Plenty of others do not come with it.

Again, people are missing the point- they are NOT a requirement. Helpful under some conditions, yes... But not everyone NEEDS one... despite the fact that the majority of people WANT one. </div></div>

DP425,

Let's see, "helpful under some conditions". Hmmmm, would that be whenever the sun is shining??

So in the Northern Hemisphere that would be near 14 hours per day in the summer months.

So they are not a requirement and/or not helpful when: It is dark, or cloudy out. Maybe that's why they make sunshades removable, don't you think????

Maybe instead of blathering on about what you think; and about what you need or don't need personally; and what you think the majority of us want; how about you produce a list of Tactical scopes, that:

A) Don't come with sunshades provided
B) And are not offered with sunshades as an accessory.
C) List the conditions and reasons sunshades are helpful.
D) List the conditions and reasons they are not helpful.
E) List of shooter types, who in your opinion, do not need one.
F) List your facts that: shows us what the majority of shooters want, what in your opinion, they don't really need.

In other words provide some facts to support your assertions. So if you have points, that we are missing, then please provide them.

Thanks,

Bob
 
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In response to the OP, sunshades are not necessary.

Also, your scope is not necessary.

However, I have a sunshade for every one of my scopes. They cut down on glare. They reduce objective lense reflection when the sun is near the horizon and you are attempting to take a coyote.

They also have some benefits that are not light related. Like they keep lenses clean. Try shooting into an oncoming rain with a 50mm objective without a sunshade and one with. The one with remains remarkably dry. Also, like previously mentioned, they keep errant fingerprints, aerosol drops, and other accidental lense contaminates from even making it to the lense.

Best of all, they are fairly inexpensive and removeable if you find you don't like it or it hinders you somehow.

They, like the scope, are a nice tool to have in the tool box.
 
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The are NOT a requirement. I spent most of my time shooting the M40A1 with no sunshade.

They are useful in some situations. Notably when you are unable to choose your FFP to prevent looking into the sun OR locate your position in the shade.

The are also nice for preventing rain from rolling down your scope.

On a lower end scope they can be a detriment because they allow a longer lever for unintended bumps to stress the objective housing.

I do have a sunshade on my Falcon 4-14x44FFP. I do not have a sunshade on my SN-3, but may be required to get one in order to use their ARD.
 
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Thank you LoneWolf... I've also spent almost all of my time shooting the M24, M110 and M107 w/o sun shades and most of the time, I've not wished for one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">don't fret over Sorbiker dude, he's just bitter b/c his mom ripped his ear with a coat hanger when he was in the tum-tum.... </div></div>

... aaaand he really needs a drink.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I dont know what sunshade you bought from USO that cost $100, but I would love to see it. Other than that, I agree with what you are saying. </div></div>

When I was shopping for new glass and considering a USO or a NF, I noticed that the accessories page for USO had a 4" sunshade listed at 96.99, which I thought was ridiculous.

Was that just a vendor selling an overpriced replacement part?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here in Kali we get a whole lot of sun, so a shade with ARD is pretty much a requirement if you dont want a washed out image. </div></div>

Here in Seattle it can keep the rain off your optics!
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