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Equities, yuan plunge as Trump escalates trade war with China

AFP
August 25, 2019


Donald Trump's decision to ramp up his trade war with China stunned investors, sending equities and other higher-risk assets tumbling

Donald Trump's decision to ramp up his trade war with China stunned investors, sending equities and other higher-risk assets tumbling (AFP Photo/NICHOLAS KAMM)
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Hong Kong (AFP) - Asian equity markets tanked and the yuan hit an 11-year low Monday after Donald Trump ramped up his trade war with China by imposing more tariffs on more than half-a-trillion dollars worth of imports.
The decision on Friday stunned investors, who ran for the hills, hammering European and Wall Street stocks, while safe havens such as the yen and gold -- go-to assets in times of turmoil and uncertainty -- surged.
The move, which also came with an outburst against China by the American president and a call for US firms to leave the country, overshadowed a broadly dovish speech by Federal Reserve boss Jerome Powell but one that fell short of Trump's demand for deep interest rate cuts.
Friday's tariffs hike was in response to Beijing's decision to raise levies on $75 billion of US goods.
Tariffs on $250 billion Chinese goods will go to 30 percent and those planned on $300 billion in Chinese goods go to 15 percent from October 1.
On Monday, China's yuan currency fell to 7.1487 to the dollar, its weakest level since early 2008 at the height of the global financial crisis. The drop is likely to ire Trump, who has labelled Beijing a currency manipulator.
"The gloves are coming off on both sides and as such yuan depreciation is an obvious cushion against US tariffs," Mitul Kotecha, a senior emerging markets economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank, told Bloomberg News.
"As long as China can ensure that yuan weakness is well controlled i.e. it does not provoke strong outflows, expect to see further depreciation in the currency."
On equity markets, Hong Kong led losses, slumping more than three percent, with investors also spooked by fresh violent protests in the city that saw police use water cannon for the first time.
Shanghai lost 1.3 percent and Tokyo ended the morning more than two percent off.
Sydney, Seoul, Wellington, Jakarta and Taipei all sank more than one percent.
- Fed boss in crosshairs -
The flight from risk into safer havens saw gold jump to a six-year high around $1,550 per ounce, while the Japanese yen was at its strongest level since the end of 2016.
Fears about the trade war's impact on demand also hit oil prices with both main contracts falling more than one percent, extending Friday's sell-off.
 
And yet not a single word in that article on why Trump raised tariffs
Trump is applying tariffs because the trade balance is all China's way . China is buying far less from US than USA is buying from China . Also China gets around the deals by opening factories within the country staffed with Chinese workers and bringing in parts and 90% assembled products from China but then sells to the local market as " local made product " .
This circumvents the trade deals and gives China the lions share of the sales .
 
Trump is applying tariffs because the trade balance is all China's way . China is buying far less from US than USA is buying from China . Also China gets around the deals by opening factories within the country staffed with Chinese workers and bringing in parts and 90% assembled products from China but then sells to the local market as " local made product " .
This circumvents the trade deals and gives China the lions share of the sales .

It'll be pretty sweet when the shit at harbor freight costs as much as the American superior competing product.
 
I think that's part of the plan to force the public to stop buying cheap garbage and buy made in USA .
China's growth has dropped from 9.7% in 2011 to 6.2% in 2018 /19 . And those figures would be lies .
It's a steady decline since 2011

This whole track has me wondering if it's possible for a city to outlaw chain stores. No more fucking McDonalds, no more fuckin' harbor freight, no more Wal-Marts.... If you're one of them fuckers trying to open a location? Sorry... DENIED, bitch!
 
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Yeah, well, my retirement investments are taking a beating and Trump says he's gonna gut SS and Medicare if he gets reelected.

So I'll be over at his house begging for dog food here in about 5 years if he doesn't get this under control pretty quick.

VooDoo
 
Only the stock market matters to T. He lost the fight when he delayed tariff earlier in month. China now thinks they have upper hand and the is dangerous.
 
Yeah, well, my retirement investments are taking a beating and Trump says he's gonna gut SS and Medicare if he gets reelected.

So I'll be over at his house begging for dog food here in about 5 years if he doesn't get this under control pretty quick.

VooDoo

Unless you're going to retire to-fucking-morrow, you have no argument to make.

If short term volatility is a problem for your retirement planning, your investment position is fucked up and either your broker or you don't know what you're doing.
 
Only the stock market matters to T. He lost the fight when he delayed tariff earlier in month. China now thinks they have upper hand and the is dangerous.

Please show us the data or information that bolsters your point.
 
The only way we get a deal with China this year is if we take a shit deal.
 
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Yeah, well, my retirement investments are taking a beating and Trump says he's gonna gut SS and Medicare if he gets reelected.

So I'll be over at his house begging for dog food here in about 5 years if he doesn't get this under control pretty quick.

VooDoo


And everyone that took their money out of the market in 2008 is now wishing what?

Yes 401Ks will take the hit now but if we win the trade war they will be ensured growth in the future.

Once we get the trade war under control and re-establish some American manufacturing that provides good jobs the second fix will need to be the debt and the monetary system.
 
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China can afford to go long term.

So what if it results in a little social unrest that can be put down with force and some internment camps.

They are banking on Trump losing in 2020.

Sadly Trump has no allies on this.

The media will not tell the true cost of the theft of intellectual property and what our addiction to cheap shit bought from a false economy intent on destroying us has done.

If there are any allies to be had it would have to come from the trades and manufacturing workers. Their union heads though are working against their interests to support their political agenda. Stable employment is not what union heads want, they need uncertainty and fear to manipulate the workers.

Farmers are starting to break.

I hope the trade deal with Tokyo having them buy our excess corn is enough to keep the farmers on board.
 
This whole track has me wondering if it's possible for a city to outlaw chain stores. No more fucking McDonalds, no more fuckin' harbor freight, no more Wal-Marts.... If you're one of them fuckers trying to open a location? Sorry... DENIED, bitch!


Go to maps and search for a Wal-Mart in New York City, Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, or Long Island.
 
And everyone that took their money out of the market in 2008 is now wishing what?

Yes 401Ks will take the hit now but if we win the trade war they will be ensured growth in the future.

Once we get the trade war under control and re-establish some American manufacturing that provides good jobs the second fix will need to be the debt and the monetary system.

I have a simple philosophy. That is that the markets always rebound. Always.
If for some reason they don't, well... money will be worthless anyway. Gold won't be any better. And Army Jerry will be king.

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China has very little food in their country. This is a problem for them especially now that African swine fever has killed a lot of their hogs. I say we shut down the food supply. Once a few of them start to starve they will come around on the fair trade tariffs.
 
China has very little food in their country. This is a problem for them especially now that African swine fever has killed a lot of their hogs. I say we shut down the food supply. Once a few of them start to starve they will come around on the fair trade tariffs.


Despite that they still "limit" our importation of food or want to control our supply of what they need.

China plays "protection" than claims we are being unfair and our POLs up until now have gone along with it.
 
I have a simple philosophy. That is that the markets always rebound. Always.
If for some reason they don't, well... money will be worthless anyway. Gold won't be any better. And Army Jerry will be king.

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That chart also is a serious indicator of problem 2.

Since the dollar was untied from anything of real intrinsic value money has no real meaning.

As long as there is ink and paper there will be money.

Look at that chart and consider the inflation rate that it also represents.

We need to bring value back to our money.

There are competing interests at hand.

Currently in order to support that rising stock chart you have to have Nationalism. The United States has to be seen as a stable place of investment that countries will continue to pour money into.

So far it is working but at what cost - $22 trillion in debt that we admit to, probably twice as much when you include liabilities to the citizens of the US.

Which breaks first our debt bubble or our reputation as a stable place for investment?

Im guessing the globalist are betting on Piven and Cloward strategy where by we go bankrupt.
 
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US unfunded liabilities is 123 trillion and rising. (edit: that's at current next-to-nothing interest rates).

China has been buying up ag-land all over the world, including here. If China starves, I believe those chinese owned ag products will not go into the market, but directly to china. Seize that china owned land? We could, don't know how that'd work for other countries.
 
When AJ is king? Will he still want us to buy more ammo? :)
Yes, but from him. ?
At highly inflated prices!??



Hmmmm, perhaps @ArmyJerry was a Chinese infiltrator and this was his "One machine gun Belt, One Round" plan.

He would corner the market on ammo than hold us all under duress forcing us to his will.

We need to get a hold of his driving record to see how many at fault accidents he has been in to check my theory out.
 
Hmmmm, perhaps @ArmyJerry was a Chinese infiltrator and this was his "One machine gun Belt, One Round" plan.

He would corner the market on ammo than hold us all under duress forcing us to his will.

We need to get a hold of his driving record to see how many at fault accidents he has been in to check my theory out.
I was wondering why the ammo he sent me misfired every couple rounds!
 
Trump is applying tariffs because the trade balance is all China's way . China is buying far less from US than USA is buying from China . Also China gets around the deals by opening factories within the country staffed with Chinese workers and bringing in parts and 90% assembled products from China but then sells to the local market as " local made product " .
This circumvents the trade deals and gives China the lions share of the sales .
A liberal friend was thoroughly pissed at Trump for the “trade war” until I basically explained the tariff situation then his opinion did a 180.
 
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China can afford to go long term.

So what if it results in a little social unrest that can be put down with force and some internment camps.

They are banking on Trump losing in 2020.

Sadly Trump has no allies on this.

The media will not tell the true cost of the theft of intellectual property and what our addiction to cheap shit bought from a false economy intent on destroying us has done.

If there are any allies to be had it would have to come from the trades and manufacturing workers. Their union heads though are working against their interests to support their political agenda. Stable employment is not what union heads want, they need uncertainty and fear to manipulate the workers.

Farmers are starting to break.

I hope the trade deal with Tokyo having them buy our excess corn is enough to keep the farmers on board.


i think you halve it half right:

china cant go long term anymore, they started becoming a real county monetary wise over the last 10-15 years

your right in china hoping will loose in 2020 but since he is driving hard (acting like china) they have to give now

if they keep pushing and he DOES win (God willing), then they are up the creek

we can take a recession hit for a while and bounce back, them not so much

we all have to think of this like regan and the ussr

we know we have to win

we know its going to bring us to the edge

but we also know that their economy cant keep up

they need us more than we need them

the US gets a cold the World gets the flu
 
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Please show us the data or information that bolsters your point.
That is the view currently from my contacts in china. Trumps move emboldened the Chinese making continued negotiations more difficult and costly. Trump views stocks as his score card look at what happened over night.
 
I could not resist... The only way they can enforce socialism is with guns.

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A liberal friend was thoroughly pissed at Trump for the “trade war” until I basically explained the tariff situation then his opinion did a 180.

"The light, step into the light...…."
 
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So what if 20-30 million communist peasants die from government created famine...

That’s what knock off Chinese CAT D9 dozers are for. Dig big pit, push dead into hole. Push dirt over. After fixing the piece of junk dozers about 12 times Due to breakdowns during the process.

Bring on the trade war. It’s time to start the bloodletting!


It would be brilliant if Chinas small but growing middle class said "Hey not on my watch!" and demanded govt reform.

Instead of bankrupting China as we did the Soviets it will be forcing freedom into their political regime from below.

For revolution to occur its not the first guy that matters.

The second guy starts the revolution.

Hong Kong is the first guy, lets see if anyone on the mainland wants to be the second guy.
 
So what if 20-30 million communist peasants die from government created famine...

That’s what knock off Chinese CAT D9 dozers are for. Dig big pit, push dead into hole. Push dirt over. After fixing the piece of junk dozers about 12 times Due to breakdowns during the process.

Bring on the trade war. It’s time to start the bloodletting!

Shovel Ready Jobs. Heard that before somewhere. Didn't Mao starve about 50 million? They didn't even have SANY excavators then (decent chi-com tractors btw).
 
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Just finished reading The Hundred-year Marathon by Michael Pillsbury. Excellent read and scary stuff. It will explain all you need to know about China and the game it has been playing. We and the rest of the world have willing dupes.
 
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Just finished reading The Hundred-year Marathon by Michael Pillsbury. Excellent read and scary stuff. It will explain all you need to know about China and the game it has been playing. We and the rest of the world have willing dupes.
Outstanding thansk I've been looking or a new book goona amazons it right away
 
Lats say Trump bans trade with China (hypothetical). He can do it by just making it too impossible for companies to be there. Who wins and who loses in that scenario?

The US Goes into deep recession that has a built in fix, in that manufacturing would come home. WE would feel some pain no doubt but the recovery would be meteoric. Maybe the consumer can't buy a new IPhone for a while.

China However would economically implode.

Option one, What is happening in Hong Kong will happen at home when unemployment rockets. Tiananmen Square will look like practice.

Option two, Declare war on the US in the hope of keeping Option one off the table.

Option three, Make a deal with Trump.

What will China do? No brainer.