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ATF director on Brace Rule when grilled by Congress

It’s only an embarrassment for those that view any of this as anything other than a freak show. It seems you think any of this is real. It’s not.

Government is evil. All that work on its behalf are either ignorant of this, immoral, tyrants themselves, or any combination of the three.
 
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Of course not, Congress isn't going to do anything against them.
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So sad, but I agree with you. Clear clean cut and nothing will be done to stop this garbage. Pointless theater
 
So basically they have no clue, are not answering how they’d prosecute people, have made no ad campaigns to inform people of this rule, yet if caught with one in a car on the way home from the range, apparently they will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. I mean he did at one time say something about only adding it on as a charge for something when a gangbanger was stopped or whatever, but I really it seems pretty ambiguous and yet selective application of the law. So nobody knows what the hell to do. I wish someone would make the argument that classifying these as somehow worse than a handgun which is many times more concealable is just stupid. 9mm handgun vs. 9mm braced pistol. Which is more easily concealed? Which is more used? The answer to that would make you really question the law as most crimes committed with guns are done with handguns. So the entire thing seems pretty silly.
 
Blah blah. No real answers or conversations come from these hearings because 5 minutes isn’t long enough to vet out the issues.
butbhe did say something interesting. I can separate my brace and still possess it and that’s ok cause it doesn’t necessarily mean I will,be constructing a SBR. So, following that logic, why can’t I possess a Glock switch or DIAS if just having them doesn’t mean I will,be necessarily constructing a firearm with them?
 
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Blah blah. No real answers or conversations come from these hearings because 5 minutes isn’t long enough to vet out the issues.
butbhe did say something interesting. I can separate my brace and still possess it and that’s ok cause it doesn’t necessarily mean I will,be constructing a SBR. So, following that logic, why can’t I possess a Glock switch or DIAS if just having them doesn’t mean I will,be necessarily constructing a firearm with them?
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It's been said before; that a DIAS, with NO ar-type weapon in your possession, is ok. 🤷‍♂️.

But I ain't much of a guinea pig either.
 
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Because they know they can't be honest. They know Joe Biden wants a gun registry. They know the pistol brace is nothing more than poking the bear and was simply an inevitability that anyone that had one on an AR/AK pistol they it could be in the future classified as a SBR. It's the same thing about the auto key card that landed two people in prison for effectively life sentences. They know that people caught with a brace on a pistol can and will land millions of people in prison. But they'll never say this because of how dystopian this is.
 
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He's about perfect for higher up gov't. official, useless. And a sorry excuse for a man.
How can a sumbitch like that look in the mirror?
 
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Before watching the videos i could tell that guy was a steaming pile. Judged that book by its cover quite accurately
 
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Director Dickhead could answer all the questions, asked, but he chooses not to do so, because his answers would reveal the true goals of the regime and the ATF. He knows ATF cannot make up the rules as they go. His answers would show the ATF is a fraudulent, tyrannical and unconstitutional organization.
 
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So listening to that shit stains remarks at the end of the second video above, it sounds like they don't have a problem with the brace, just the assembled weapon. So if you take the brace off while traveling between home and your range, you will be fine. That's what he (ATF shitstain) is saying about the congressman's traffic stop scenario. He said it, not me. But I'm no lawyer.
 
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Pretty simple bait and switch scenario. A new group of anti-gun cunts have made their way into the ATF and found this as an opportunity to screw a large group of gun owners. I had a disabled friend that built a pistol with a brace four or five years ago. At that time I told him that sooner or later the ATF would go after the braces.
 
That's a lovely dog and pony show...and at least it shows what an idiot this atf guy is... Of course you can bet they won't hold up funds until it's done away with, or until a law is passed prohibiting the atf or anyone else from doing such as this again. They could of course do that and and get it done. They could do that and more, but they won't because they'd rather sit back and let the courts do it for them, so long as they can grandstand and make videos to be shared on Fakebook of them "giving it to the atf"
 
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That's a lovely dog and pony show...and at least it shows what an idiot this atf guy is... Of course you can bet they won't hold up funds until it's done away with, or until a law is passed prohibiting the atf or anyone else from doing such as this again. They could of course do that and and get it done. They could do that and more, but they won't because they'd rather sit back and let the courts do it for them, so long as they can grandstand and make videos to be shared on Fakebook of them "giving it to the atf"
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BINGO! That was all about sound bites for them to use raising campaign money.
 
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Such theater. Tough talking the guy in charge of an agency that regularly operates outside the bounds of its purview effectively spitting in the face of congress by a member of said body that will do nothing about it.

Nice acting on both sides.
 
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If those guys really gave two shits, they would be proposing legislation......

We'll be waiting. Grandstanding.....all are lying cunts!
 
Bullfrog08 said:
If those guys really gave two shits, they would be proposing legislation......

We'll be waiting. Grandstanding.....all are lying cunts!
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There aren't enough people to support the legislation. One was introduced on 1-17-23



118th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 374

To abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 17, 2023
Mr. Gaetz introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
A BILL
To abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Abolish the ATF Act”.
SEC. 2. ABOLISHMENT OF THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is hereby abolished.
 
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Cowpokey said:
BINGO! That was all about sound bites for them to use raising campaign money.
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While true, I do think its more useful than just that. I can't believe that the ATF director likes sitting in that chair. And any resulting soundbites used by congressmen also reveal the director as a disingenuous moron government bureaucrat.

Thomas Massie, by forcing dipshit to admit his rule applies to the ORIGINAL pistol brace immediately after dipshit declared ATF's rule is necessary because the "products changed" reveals what the ATF is for everyone who sees those clips, even non gun owners. Those types of things build the political momentum necessary for changes.
 
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If anyone ever gets charged with constructive intent for owning a brace separated from the rifle, those clips should be played in the courtroom. Because then it becomes apparent that the NFA is so convoluted that even the ATF director doesn't know the rules.

This thing is so fucking stupid and confusing, it might be the best grounds we've ever had to get the whole NFA wiped out.
 
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If anyone ever gets charged with constructive intent for owning a brace separated from the rifle, those clips should be played in the courtroom. Because then it becomes apparent that the NFA is so convoluted that even the ATF director doesn't know the rules.

This thing is so fucking stupid and confusing, it might be the best grounds we've ever had to get the whole NFA wiped out.
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Exactly my point about DIAS and Glock switches. Possession is not intent. Possession is in case you fuck around and need to find out.

If possession was intent all my 10” barrels sitting in a drawer would make me Lord of War
 
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What you see if you watch this crap is what is known as a bunch of fucking idiots. The ATF technology branch is a bunch of fucking idiots and as the civilization descends into total and utter failure you will see more and more of these fucking idiots come to power.

Socialism is an ideology of HATE, EVIL and INTOLERANCE not an economic system. It is literally a religion for sheep. No individualism is tolerated, that is why they pass group laws like gun bans. One felon does a crime and they demand punishment for all. To lower the numbers in prisons, they simply legalize everything that creates danger and misery in a society. Pedophiles, drug addicts, shop lifters, perverts, prostitutes, pick pockets, drunk drivers and all sorts of shitbags are allowed to run wild. The police are only there to persecute political opponents.

Literally, totally legal and lawful for more than a decade and now illegal with little or no notification and no recourse. That ATF asshole said, you submit paperwork and they will decide of they want to allow you to register. If they decide not too, which is a 100% chance in most cases, you have just admitted to a felony and submitted the evidence they will use to convict you.

Fuck Socialism.
 
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So basically they have no clue, are not answering how they’d prosecute people, have made no ad campaigns to inform people of this rule, yet if caught with one in a car on the way home from the range, apparently they will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. I mean he did at one time say something about only adding it on as a charge for something when a gangbanger was stopped or whatever, but I really it seems pretty ambiguous and yet selective application of the law. So nobody knows what the hell to do. I wish someone would make the argument that classifying these as somehow worse than a handgun which is many times more concealable is just stupid. 9mm handgun vs. 9mm braced pistol. Which is more easily concealed? Which is more used? The answer to that would make you really question the law as most crimes committed with guns are done with handguns. So the entire thing seems pretty silly.
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I know what I’m gonna do. Whatever the fuck I want too!
 
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which Supreme Court ruling are you talking about?
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I believe he's referring to the last ruling made by SCOTUS last year. Someone vs EPA (can't recall the name). Essentially, it ruled that government agencies can not interpret law, and if the law is unclear, they should ignore it. Interpreting poorly defined laws by a non-elected official was ruled unconstitutional. And puts the responsibility back on Congress to write clearly defined law/policy, rather than delegate it to unelected government bureaucrats to interpret based on Presidential appointee policy.

It's why many legal scholars saw that SCOTUS ruling as probably the most important ones made in decades (and probably why it was done/released, right after the overturning of Roe v Wade). All the liberals were losing their minds over abortion rights, when SCOTUS quietly released this ruling (very clever in my mind).
 
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I believe he's referring to the last ruling made by SCOTUS last year. Someone vs EPA (can't recall the name). Essentially, it ruled that government agencies can not interpret law, and if the law is unclear, they should ignore it. Interpreting poorly define laws by a non-elected official was ruled unconstitutional.

It's why many legal scholars saw that SCOTUS ruling as probably the most important ones made in decades.
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Yeah that one too
 
MarinePMI said:
I believe he's referring to the last ruling made by SCOTUS last year. Someone vs EPA (can't recall the name). Essentially, it ruled that government agencies can not interpret law, and if the law is unclear, they should ignore it. Interpreting poorly define laws by a non-elected official was ruled unconstitutional.

It's why many legal scholars saw that SCOTUS ruling as probably the most important ones made in decades (and probably why it was done/released, right after the overturning of Roe v Wade). All the liberals were losing their minds over abortion rights, when SCOTUS quietly released the ruling (clever in my mind).
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WEST VIRGINIA ET AL. v. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY ET AL.


This one?
 
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With the 6th circuit court ruling on bump stocks..... NOT being illegal. The ATF CANNOT make new laws!!!!!! They need to be slapped down. Hope the bump stock ruling continues to braces, forced reset triggers, etc, etc.
 
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Idiots like that are who should get thrown in jail for 10 years per offense when a judge rules that they acted outside of their authority. That’s the bill I want to see. Until that happens they’ll keep throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks. There are no repercussions when their unlawful “rules” get tossed out, so why not try?
 
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Just read through the previously mentioned Supreme Court decision, some notable mentions from Justice Roberts.

-Nonetheless, our precedent teaches that there are “extraordinary cases” that call for a different ap- proach—cases in which the “history and the breadth of the authority that [the agency] has asserted,” and the “eco- nomic and political significance” of that assertion, provide a “reason to hesitate before concluding that Congress” meant to confer such authority

-Nor does Congress typically use oblique or elliptical language to em- power an agency to make a “radical or fundamental change” to a statutory scheme.

-Agencies have only those powers given to them by Congress, and “enabling legislation” is generally not an “open book to which the agency [may] add pages and change the plot line.”

-We presume that “Congress intends to make major policy decisions itself, not leave those decisions to agencies.”

While these comments refer to a complete different situation they are 100% applicable in an agency over stepping its authority. Good read. Thanx
 
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This is literally a scripted reality show, all of that shit is fake stop fucking falling for it. You have no representation, the republicans are playing a role in this theater and many of you still fall for it. Be better.
 
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You guys don't see it ?

It's obvious to me.
Every dept head does the EXACT same thing.
They are obviously under orders to do so.
Deflect, divert, give no answer, make the questioner use their time up so no further questioning can be accomplished.
This clown does it, Mayorkas does it, they ALL do it.
It is Democrap SOP.
Prove me wrong.
 
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The fact that SBRs/SBSs are even still on the NFA list is beyond me. For those unfamiliar with the history of it, they were put on the list to further expand the restriction on handguns because people would just take their long guns and cut the barrel and stock to get around the handgun restriction. Well, handguns aren't restricted no more so why are SBRs/SBSs still on the list? :rolleyes:
 
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The fact that SBRs/SBSs are even still on the NFA list is beyond me. For those unfamiliar with the history of it, they were put on the list to further expand the restriction on handguns because people would just take their long guns and cut the barrel and stock to get around the handgun restriction. Well, handguns aren't restricted no more so why are SBRs/SBSs still on the list? :rolleyes:
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You're right. So there was some hysteria over Tommy gun violence, and the overreach went to handguns - people objected, and SBR's stayed on the list. Really doesn't make any sense (other than idiots with no understanding make the rules)
 
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You're right. So there was some hysteria over Tommy gun violence, and the overreach went to handguns - people objected, and SBR's stayed on the list. Really doesn't make any sense (other than idiots with no understanding make the rules)
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The machine gun restriction is actually kind of funny because back then machine guns weren't expensive, but the $200 tax stamp was more expensive than the gun itself so that detoured people from wanting to buy them due to not being able to afford the tax. However, inflation had no effect on the tax so today it's the same $200 tax stamp, but now the machine gun itself is over $20k thanks to the Huges' Amendment. And by funny, I don't mean in a positive way. There's nothing positive about infringing on our rights.

I know there's still lawmakers out there that believe that an SBS is actually more dangerous and deadly than a full length shotgun. I get the feeling that these lawmakers base all their retarded arguments over crime drama movies they've seen. And while we're picking away at the NFA, what about suppressors? Suppressors weren't put on the list due to hitmen or the mafia or anything like that. Wanna know why they were put on the list? Because of poachers during the Great Depression breaking hunting laws to feed their starving families. And what about AOWs? That's just them saying "well, we don't know what it is, but let's restrict it anyways".
 
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Great acting on everyone's part, now I know why politicians and Hollywood actors are good friends (besides the child diddling), the political troglodytes are excellent acting coaches.

Either way, these satanists can save their sophistry, theyre all on the same side: and it is not anyone's here no matter how many thin blue line flags you have on your Toyota pickup.
 
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What an embarrassment. Can’t even answer simple yes/no questions.
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It's not that he couldn't answer a simple yes / no question, he knew the answer as well anyone, but he also knew how to run around in the backfield and run out the clock.

The question remains unanswered, until you hear a knock at the door.

And those commie bastards not only know an NFA felony conviction prohibits a 2nd A conservative gun owner, aka the enemy of the Left, from owning a gun, it also prohibits him from voting. Unless, of course, he/she/it's a Democrat.
 
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