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Attempted robbery of marijuana delivery truck

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I like the fact now that the 3 robbery accomplices are being charged with murder. Due to the fact that their 'fourth' was taken out by the security guard.

And after a brief detaining, the security guard, the driver, AND the 'head' van were released.

Ok all you cop bashers... go ahead and start with however you can manipulate this into something wrong, crap.
 
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Right down the street from me. I cannot get a CCW to protect myself, but it's okay to defend one's business goods.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the fact now that the 3 robbery accomplices are being charged with murder. Due to the fact that their 'fourth' was taken out by the security guard.

And after a brief detaining, the security guard, the driver, AND the 'head' van were released.

Ok all you cop bashers... go ahead and start with however you can manipulate this into something wrong, crap. </div></div>

No longer being charged with murder.

It would be hard to manipulate this into the cops doing something wrong, since they were not involved until after the fact. I suppose one could gripe about them holding the good guy, but I find that understandable, they apparently didn't hold him long.

More importantly, if drugs were legal, there would be less reason to try to steal them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Wolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the fact now that the 3 robbery accomplices are being charged with murder. Due to the fact that their 'fourth' was taken out by the security guard.

And after a brief detaining, the security guard, the driver, AND the 'head' van were released.

Ok all you cop bashers... go ahead and start with however you can manipulate this into something wrong, crap. </div></div>

No longer being charged with murder.

It would be hard to manipulate this into the cops doing something wrong, since they were not involved until after the fact. I suppose one could gripe about them holding the good guy, but I find that understandable, they apparently didn't hold him long.

More importantly, if drugs were legal, there would be less reason to try to steal them.



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Using your logic, we should make cars legal, then there would be less auto theft. Oh but wait...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the fact now that the 3 robbery accomplices are being charged with murder. Due to the fact that their 'fourth' was taken out by the security guard.

And after a brief detaining, the security guard, the driver, AND the 'head' van were released.

Ok all you cop bashers... go ahead and start with however you can manipulate this into something wrong, crap. </div></div>

The police wernt involved so why would anyone want to bash them ?? There are few cop bashers only good citizen on the hide voicing their disdain on how some cops act sometimes .
Why would these 3 villains be charged with murder ?? cant quite understand that .
Anyways what a pack of idiots and one died ,what Fucwits
 
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I believe they should be charged with the death of their accomplice due to the death happening during the commission of a felony.(DUMBASS's) I was always told that you could or would be charged in the commission of a felony. It could be an Alabama law, not sure. T
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the fact now that the 3 robbery accomplices are being charged with murder. Due to the fact that their 'fourth' was taken out by the security guard.

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Actully many states have statutes that allow this. If two guys rob a bank and one of the robbers is shot and killed in the process of that crime, then the other can be charged with his murder since he/they created the circumstances that led to the death. In some states it goes so far that if there is a shootout between the police and criminals and an innocent bystander is killed, the criminals can be charged with that persons murder, no matter who actually fired the round. Again it's because with out the criminal creating that situation, the victim would not have been hurt.

I haven't heard of many succesful prosecutions of charges based on these circumstances but it is sometimes used as a bargaining chip in plea bargains.

Charlie
 
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Charlie, it is THAT to which I was referring. And as well they should be liable for any/all that happens, due to THEIR ACTIONS. (how's that for an original concept eh, "responsibility")

My other statement was for the typical zealots whom always seem to blame everything on the 'cops'. Now they can go and manipulate.

But thank you Charlie, good post.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Using your logic, we should make cars legal, then there would be less auto theft. Oh but wait... </div></div>

Using what logic? Cars are worth a lot of money, because they cost a lot to produce. Make marijuana legal, and the value would quickly drop to almost nothing. The only reason drugs are expensive is that somebody is messing with the supply side of the supply/demand equation.

Prohibition doesn't work.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bondoscustomz1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe they should be charged with the death of their accomplice due to the death happening during the commission of a felony.(DUMBASS's) I was always told that you could or would be charged in the commission of a felony. It could be an Alabama law, not sure. T </div></div>

Most states have that law. It's called felony murder in Bama and includes situations were security guard shoots at perps, misses, and kills bystander.

Question of day - why would they have a huge decal of a pot leaf on the side of the delivery van?
 
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Got one of those going in about a half mile away. Talked to my tool guy and he looked at it when they were building the inside. They put in 6" thick glass, double doors, have local PD and prior SEAL's as security. He said the investors have ponied up "millions" for it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got one of those going in about a half mile away. Talked to my tool guy and he looked at it when they were building the inside. They put in 6" thick glass, double doors, have local PD and prior SEAL's as security. He said the investors have ponied up "millions" for it. </div></div>

That just seems silly. I would have thought that marijuana would be very easy to get. I've never used it, so I guess I don't know.

Then again, we have the example of the idiots trying to rob the delivery truck.

Such a huge investment in security for something that grows as a weed.
 
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So he Delivery man, with a armed security guard, was making a home delivery to a aptment when this occurred? I thought they had to keep it in the "Clinics", or "Dispensaries" or whatever they call the pot shops. now you don't even have to get off the couch? They deliver? While armed?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would these 3 villains be charged with murder ?? cant quite understand that .
Anyways what a pack of idiots and one died ,what Fucwits </div></div>


Well if they had stayed home nobody would have died.

Therefore t heir actions got someone killed.

They killed their best friend.

I'm in complete agreement with that law.

I'm just sorry we have a sad state of affairs in <span style="text-decoration: line-through">California</span> The US where criminals have more rights than victims do.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So he Delivery man, with a armed security guard, was making a home delivery to a aptment when this occurred? I thought they had to keep it in the "Clinics", or "Dispensaries" or whatever they call the pot shops. now you don't even have to get off the couch? They deliver? While armed? </div></div>

Damn my head hurts, Honey, can you order a pizza, oh yeah order some more pot first...that way we'll be hungry for the piza!

take off, to the great white north! take off, it's a beauty way to go!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So he Delivery man, with a armed security guard, was making a home delivery to a aptment when this occurred? I thought they had to keep it in the "Clinics", or "Dispensaries" or whatever they call the pot shops. now you don't even have to get off the couch? They deliver? While armed? </div></div>

Damn my head hurts, Honey, can you order a pizza, oh yeah order some more pot first...that way we'll be hungry for the piza!

<span style="font-weight: bold">take off, to the great white north! take off, it's a beauty way to go!</span> </div></div>

No fair without a link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BFPt001PYU
 
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I was watching a TV show about legalizing marijuana, and a very professional lady did some number cruching on it.

$200 Billion dollars would be spent by the American taxpayer to pay for the overall damage to the economy because of decreased work production, healthcare programs because when the government does legalize it then there WILL be more health concerns, and lets also not forget the rise in car crashes because there is also the unspoken problem with drunk driving already. Imagine someone drunk AND high. Tack on more fatalities to that equation.

Then you also have it legalized so what is stopping the cartels? You can imagine all you want to about the government have absolute control over this, but IF it is then you just legalized the cornerstone of their entire business. It takes $400 to turn out a plant for a $6000 profit.

Then you'll also have another group that will spring up and use the legalization of marijuana as a platform to legalize heroin, cocaine, crack, PCP, LSD, Ecstasy, etc. They say "Why not? Weed was already legalized, so why not more?". And if there are told no then they will claim that their rights are being discriminated against, lawsuits and summons will appear, and we will all be hearing Supreme Court rulings on it.

So basically...NO. The legalization of marijuana is a poor idea, and no benefit will ever be gained from it no matter what new way to give in, is said.

The simplest idea would be for all of America to just stop using illegal drugs, but that would require willpower, and for some it's easier disguise their true intentions through failed logic.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was watching a TV show about legalizing marijuana, and a very professional lady did some number cruching on it.

$200 Billion dollars would be spent by the American taxpayer to pay for the overall damage to the economy because of decreased work production, healthcare programs because when the government does legalize it then there WILL be more health concerns, and lets also not forget the rise in car crashes because there is also the unspoken problem with drunk driving already. Imagine someone drunk AND high. Tack on more fatalities to that equation.

Then you also have it legalized so what is stopping the cartels? You can imagine all you want to about the government have absolute control over this, but IF it is then you just legalized the cornerstone of their entire business. It takes $400 to turn out a plant for a $6000 profit.

Then you'll also have another group that will spring up and use the legalization of marijuana as a platform to legalize heroin, cocaine, crack, PCP, LSD, Ecstasy, etc. They say "Why not? Weed was already legalized, so why not more?". And if there are told no then they will claim that their rights are being discriminated against, lawsuits and summons will appear, and we will all be hearing Supreme Court rulings on it.

So basically...NO. The legalization of marijuana is a poor idea, and no benefit will ever be gained from it no matter what new way to give in, is said.

The simplest idea would be for all of America to just stop using illegal drugs, but that would require willpower, and for some it's easier disguise their true intentions through failed logic. </div></div>

Some of that may be true. Regarding car crashes, we should immediately ban alcohol, because that causes a lot of crashes now. Wait, that's been tried, we got the mob as a result.

The drug cartels do not want it legal. Think it out. Right now they are the only game in town, and they have the backing of the US government. Not really, but the government is pretty tough on anyone that wants to start a marijuana farm here. Once it is legal, and anyone can grow it, there will be next to no profit in it, except for the government, who will tax the heck out of it. Imagine farmer brown baling up 160 acres of it multiplied by many farmer browns throughout the nation. The price has to fall, the profit margin drops, and suddenly there isn't enough money in it to be worth the trouble for street gangs. Unless the taxes are too high, then there could be a black market like happens with cigarettes in some states. What is stopping the cartels? Legal competition. You don't see gangs shooting each other in turf wars to sell black market aspirin, do you? Why, because anybody can make it and sell it, so a bottle costs .99 cents, and the bottle it is in is probably worth more than the medicine.

You might say that marijuana isn't the same as aspirin, and it isn't, but If I can turn $400 into $6000 legally, I would be tempted. You know there are enough people who have no compunction about it that would immediately start growing it.

Perhaps the tax on it could offset some of the costs of the problems you list above, but I'd prefer that people who smoke dope pay for their own health care, or lack thereof. Companies can drug test. They do already in many cases.

We could let all the nonviolent drug offenders out of prison and save the cost of holding them.
 
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Prairie Wolf,

That's the typical propaganda continuously grown by the legalization crowd. The logic in that is always flawed.

You don't understand something. If it is legalized, then the government WILL tax it, simply because there will have to be money dangling in their faces for them to go through with it.

BUT, since the government will tax it then it opens up a way for the cartels to do business in America LEGALLY. The government WILL tax and the cartels WILL undercut them, and since it wll be legal then it will be more of a gray market then a black market.

Also, with the offenders who were jailed for carrying and distributing weed the government will face lawsuits after they are released. That will open up a massive amount of lawsuits, even if they are without merit and unsubstantiated and they were legally arrested and convicted, simply because the government decided to legalize it. Find the amount of convicts jailed for this offense and times it by the amount that the American taxpayer will end up having to pay for it all. Wait, that hasn't been thought of yet.

Basically EVERYTHING you have just stated, by being in favor of legalization, requires money, and for $200 Billion as a starting price for legalizing marijuana could best be spent giving back to the taxpayer(more money for ammo), then burying cash into a hole and hoping that a money tree pops up.

Have you done the math on what it will cost every single person in the U.S. in additional taxes?

How about the price that the governmen WILL have to charge, per unit just to turn a profit, to justify the whole thing? The profit would have to exceed $200 billion...per year.

I have yet to see ANY math done by the legalization crowd on this at all, just the usual <span style="font-style: italic">"Life would be unicorns and sunshine if we could just con everyone into thinking that it's a good thing"</span> propaganda.
 
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Those guys are dumbass why try and hold up the legal drug dealer they are going to call the cops if you robe a illegal dealer they wont call the cops and it looks to me like the charges of getting shot are about the same.
 
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If you think that making something legal will mean the drug cartels will dominate it, I think you are forgetting history.

The last time a group of religious zealots got something banned (Alcohol), the mob, criminal gangs and smugglers ran the trade and brought in a new and unprecedented wave of crime.

Once the crazy laws were repealed, legal production went back to full swing and pretty much all the criminals had to move to something else as there was no longer enough money in it to make it worth it. The government then got to reap huge benefits in taxes.

The stated cost to the country is always a huge made up number, especially when they throw in "lost productivity", which really is a great way of padding the stats to prove your point.

Here is a real question:
How much money do the federal, state and local governments spend on fighting the righteous war on drugs?
How much money is spent keeping a large amount of people in jail over drugs
How many of your civil liberties and rights to be secure in your own person and property have been taken away because of the great war on drugs?

You see threads come up on the hide all the time complaining about police invasions of someone's home or persons & the rare tragic results, I would submit that most of them would not have happened if not for this great moralistic war on drugs.

The country has spent vast sums of money over the past half century on this "war or drugs", countless lives have been ruined in the crossfire and what have we gotten? More drugs everywhere.

Do you see international Tobacco smugglers funding the war against the USA in Afghanistan or Tobacco Cartels tearing Mexico apart?

Is Alcohol smuggling turning the Mexican border into a war zone or funding the taliban?

Would it be nice if one day everyone in the country woke up and said today is the day I stop doing drugs and all will be perfect in life? Sure, but it's never going to happen, Ever.

For all of human history people have wanted to use some plant or some herb to forget their problems, get high, have some spiritual experiance or just plain be crazy.

Even if you think having the government ban everybody from doing anything that could possibly be bad for them is a good idea, it still has never worked no matter what level of oppression is used.

Then think about this:
The current president of the country wrote candidly about his drug use when he was younger.
The previous president couldn't honestly say he never used drugs, and could only say that he could honestly say he had not used drugs in the last 30 years and that he had some wild times as a youngster
The president before that admitted using drugs sometime before but added that he didn't really inhale.

I've never used drugs and probably never will even if they were legal, but it hasn't seemed to stop people from becoming the leaders of the free world.

The war on drugs has gone on for half a century in earnest, I seriously doubt if it goes on for another half century the results would be any different, except that I think you will find that another 50 years of the righteous war on drugs may claim the last of your civil liberties and gun rights as collateral damage.

There will always be some bad results with anything, be it drugs, tobacco, alcohol, sex, guns, music or cars etc. But if it is legal, regulated and people are educated about risks and dangers, the results seem to be a lot better than when basic human nature is challenged in the name of religious morals.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The stated cost to the country is always a huge made up number, especially when they throw in "lost productivity", which really is a great way of padding the stats to prove your point.</div></div>

The "health care" cost people claim is complete bullshit as well, as they use the number of people in "treatment" for cannabis as one of the main factors to calculate that number.

Anyone with a brain knows that literally the VAST majority of people in "treatment" for cannabis (I'd honestly wager 99%+) are there for no other reason than they were forced there by the court system for getting caught on a minor possesion charge. They are not like people in crack/meth/heroin treatment centers who actually have an addiction and want and/or need help.

These are for the most part normal, productive, tax paying citizens who are not "addicted" by any means, but simply got caught by police for having a small amount of a plant on them, and given two options:

1. Go to a "treatment" center so they can help pad the governments stats of people in "treatment" for cannabis, so the government can use those stats to try to prove how evil and harmful cannabis is and further justify their "war" to themselves.

2. Get locked in a cage with violent animals, many of which have nothing to lose, and would try to kill you for simply looking at them wrong.


Which option would you choose if you had to choose one?
 
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Armaheavy, I don't know what you are talking about.

How does letting nonviolent drug offenders out of prison cost the government money? At least some of them will get a job. Right now 100% of their existence is on our dime.

Why does making marijuana legal cost anything to the taxpayers? Does growing alfalfa cost the taxpayers? Are we going to subsidize it like corn?

How does putting all the cops who are fighting the war on drugs to work fighting some other crime cost the taxpayers? We will probably all get more speeding tickets, but other than that, we could cut police forces. Legalize all drugs and abolish the DEA.

There would be no cause for lawsuits. What they did was illegal at the time. They are criminals. Most of the judges that crazy are in California.

And who cares if the cartels do business legally in the US? So does OPEC, another cartel you might have heard of. I don't know how the hell you expect someone in Mexico to compete with your next door neighbor. If it is legal, people can grow their own in the back yard, no cartel need apply.

And marijuana doesn't have to be taxed. We got enough people who always want their fingers in other people's pockets that I am sure it will be. But, even if it is taxed, it will probably be cheaper than it is now, without people actively trying to hijack the supply chain.
 
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Whats dumber than shit about this thread ,is why with all the drug thefts would a delivery truck have a HUGE pot leaf plastered on its side ,talk about advertising to get robbed.
 
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Legalization would mean a large loss of business in our country. From Police, DEA, and countless other agancies on the front lines who get funding from the govt, to the judicial system, all the way to the folks that sell groceries to the prison system. Could you imagine the enormous financial impact legalization would have. I think its money driven, nothing else.

Cartels, would move on to other money makers and abandon that route, there would be no money in smuggling. There is no Tobbacco or alcohol profit, because its legal so they are not making money there, the same would happen with mary jane.

Yes legalization and taxation would probably generate billions a year for the governemnt, but I think the fact that it is illegal generates more in the way of jobs, and funding.
I have been involved in the "war on drugs" and can honestly say it is a loosing battle that sometimes feels like it is designed to work that way.

food for thought no matter where you stand on the legalization debate.