Anyone know the history on this particular scope? Curious as to what rifle it was used on and what turret reticle configuration was used. I've seen pictures of the 4-16X50 on an older SR25 but nothing of the smaller 42.
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Rifle Scopes Back story on Mil use of Schmidt and Bender 4-16X42 PMII
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I vaguely recall that it was used in Europe, but I am not sure it ever made it into the military world in the US. I do remember that in terms of basic optical quality, I thought this the best of the PM II line.
There was a version of the x42 made with a unique single turn locking turret and Horus reticles for some US contract/unit. Not sure who but they are pretty unique scopes.
I have and use a S&B 4-16x42mm with the GENIIXR, one of the best scopes S&B ever made. The 42mm allows the user to get the scope closer to the barrel and the 42mm works great with NV units like the PVS27.
Mike @ CSTACTICAL
Mike @ CSTACTICAL
Last one I came across was on a Barrett M-107 and had a Horus H-37 reticle.
I purchased one from a member here a couple years ago. We were geographically co-located and I wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to link up and just to have a good look at it. It's a single-turn equipped with the H37 reticle. Spent about a minute or two examining it and I knew I had to have it. It wasn't a common scope for starters, and finding any information about it ,other than it was made to meet the requirements of an undisclosed US military organization, proved elusive. There was an article on the old Horus web site that talked about this scope a little bit. The scope was mounted on an M110 SASS I believe. i wanted to get in touch with the author of that article to see if he could provide more insight on the background, history, use, etc, but it appears that particular page no longer exists. Nevertheless, it's currently the best optic I own and I'm happy to be among the few lucky ones to score one at a good price considering the obscure and rare nature of this optic. I've only seen these pop up for sale once or twice since obtaining mine, and considering the price guys have been asking for them, I'm quite surprised they don't get snapped up in a hurry. Again, it could just be because they are not well known because there are so few out there relatively speaking, which makes it all the more satisfying for having the unique privilege to own one.
I've got one on my GAP 308, it's a great package, much lighter and compact than the 5-25 PMII and the single turn turret is awesome as long as you don't need a ton of elevation.
Thanks for the history guys. I have seen a couple for sale and regret not buying one. I am looking for one for an m110 clone I am building if anyone has one they would like to sell.
I have one of these very neat scopes (S&B PMII 4 X 16 X 42 Illuminated with H37 reticle) in great condition that I would take $2250 for. It came in a Larue LT-678 QD base/rings which is the base for the LT-STOMP System (Sniper Total Optical Mounting Package) that has the extra screw holes for mounting a night vision device. I would take $250 for the base/rings. I prefer direct e-mail [email protected] over Hide PM's.
How does the 4-16x42 and x50 respectively optically compare to the PM2 5-25x56?
I have a 4-16x42, 3-20x50, and 5-25x56 and they all have crystal clear optics and world class contrast and color rendition. I have not used them in low light. Side by side, I can't tell any difference in the image quality of any of my S&Bs.
Ive had a few and I cannot tell the difference in optical quality against the 50mm. the 4-16s have some of the best depth of field of any scopes ever. the only downside is the real estate it takes up if your running NV on a short rail. If it gives up some light gathering I can say its not very much if I had to do a blind test I probably couldnt tell the difference.
Looks like a bunch of vertical split LT-104's. They must not listen to the hide?
Winchester59. Sent you an e-mail.
Thanks for all the great information. I have owned one for several years and did not know the history.BTW I have listed it on the hide for sale. Its a great scope I'm just getting up in age that I need to "thin the herd"
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/sold.6889062/ here are lots of pictures of the one I sold.
When I click on that link it logs me off the website and I can't log back in. Weird.
I bought one new from mile high in 2009 or so for $2400 when the 5-25’s were escalating in price quickly. Mine, I believe, is the scope used on the German G22 300 wm. It is a 50mm, standard P3 mildot, single turn CW 13 mil knob that’s marked in .1 mil, as well as BDC in meters for the 300wm. The tops of each turret have the AI logo also. I thought that would go well on my AW.
I’m no sniper, but it has to be one of the best fightin’ scopes ever made. I’d say the only thing it gives up to today’s scopes in the same power range, is size. It isn’t compact. Some may say that a 13 mil single turn isn’t enough. Gets my AW with any of its barrels to max effective range just fine. The glass is epic, and it’s easy to get behind. It would take a serious catastrophe in my life for me to even consider selling it. Like my AW, I’m takin that shit with me when I go....
I’m no sniper, but it has to be one of the best fightin’ scopes ever made. I’d say the only thing it gives up to today’s scopes in the same power range, is size. It isn’t compact. Some may say that a 13 mil single turn isn’t enough. Gets my AW with any of its barrels to max effective range just fine. The glass is epic, and it’s easy to get behind. It would take a serious catastrophe in my life for me to even consider selling it. Like my AW, I’m takin that shit with me when I go....
I see new ones advertised with a double turn 1/4 MOA turret and P3L or P4L reticle. Anyone have experience with this model?
I have a MKII 4-16x50 .1mil single turn that came with .338LM AI logos. It may have been a test scope for the L115A series of rifles. Great scope, just needs more internal adjustment.
Guess it just depends on how far youre shooting day in and day out. Its’s got value, and 5-25’s are going pretty cheap these days. 13 mins will Get your .338 well beyond 1k. If that isn’t enough, consider selling it here.
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I shoot 1,000+ about every weekend. I have a 5-25 & a 3-12 SB , both are DT and will go 1k plus. The 4-16 came on my L115A2 so it will stay on there. The 3-12 glass seems the best to me.
I shoot 1,000+ about every weekend. I have a 5-25 & a 3-12 SB , both are DT and will go 1k plus. The 4-16 came on my L115A2 so it will stay on there. The 3-12 glass seems the best to me.
I have one and it is very nice. I had one with H37 but new one has P4L fine with moa. I like it better for target use.
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The .25 MOA PMII 4-16Xs' (there are 4-16X[42]s' and 4-16X[50]s'), have actually been around for years. The .25 MOA 4-16Xs' only come in Double Turn since their 56 MOA of Elevation can't be accommodated in a Single Turn like the 0.1 MIL's can. Here are some old photos of a 4-16X[42] .25 MOA Double Turn from a FS thread of bender338's from years ago:
Keith
The .25 MOA PMII 4-16Xs' (there are 4-16X[42]s' and 4-16X[50]s'), have actually been around for years. The .25 MOA 4-16Xs' only come in Double Turn since their 56 MOA of Elevation can't be accommodated in a Single Turn like the 0.1 MIL's can. Here are some old photos of a 4-16X[42] .25 MOA Double Turn from a FS thread of bender338's from years ago:
Keith
I run the 4-16x42's on my precision AR's mounted via Badger Uni-Mount, and the 4-16x50's on my TRG-22's mounted via Near Alpha mount. They all have the Gen 2 Mildot, which are a great combination with 223 and 308 in the field. The 13-mil turret limit is just about at the ballistic limits of the two cartridges. Was just shooting both AR's out to 800-yards today, and 16X was more than enough magnification for steel targets.
I've done well with this setup on my AR's in various team matches. In my opinion, the SB 4-16 is the perfect scope for a Mk12 SPR senario.
I did recently purchased a 3-20 Ultra-Short with MSR reticle to add to a precision AR, but haven't had the time to get a mount ordered yet.
I've done well with this setup on my AR's in various team matches. In my opinion, the SB 4-16 is the perfect scope for a Mk12 SPR senario.
I did recently purchased a 3-20 Ultra-Short with MSR reticle to add to a precision AR, but haven't had the time to get a mount ordered yet.
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I just wish they were closer to 26oz
Yes.
Had two, both ST and used them (a lot). Sent one back when knob loosened, SB went through it completely and got it back to me in about two weeks IIRC. Sold both after buying a pair of Heinsoldt 4-16's. Wish I'd kept the SBs too.
