I know this has been covered numerous times but it seems like there are mixed reviews for different barrel countours and lengths. My current build project is a Rem 700 long action 30-06. The stock I have is a hs precision m-24 type. The barrel is a 28 inch Krieger heavy palma #14 with FTE brake. My question is, given the long heavy contour would this specific build benefit from bedding under the chamber? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Gunsmithing Bedding under barrel
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Re: Bedding under barrel
I would bed 1.25" of the barrel forward of the recoil lug with the lug only touching on the back side using the two layer of masking tape method on the other surfaces of the lug.
I would bed 1.25" of the barrel forward of the recoil lug with the lug only touching on the back side using the two layer of masking tape method on the other surfaces of the lug.
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To give my opinion on the OPs question, Id bed 1.5" infront of lug and pillar bed the action area. Then tighten the action screws to 60inch/lbs.
I dont tighten over 50lbs without pillars. Might not matter but thats what I do.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would bed 1.25" of the barrel forward of the recoil lug with the lug only touching on the back side using the two layer of masking tape method on the other surfaces of the lug. </div></div>
Why do you feel the front of the lug must be relieved in that situation?
I kinda like the idea of only taping off the sides and bottom of the lug. Allowing the front to make contact, and hold the lug firm against the rear. Plus it stiffens the forend just a little.
Especially when bedding 1.5" infront of the lug.
Your thoughts?
To give my opinion on the OPs question, Id bed 1.5" infront of lug and pillar bed the action area. Then tighten the action screws to 60inch/lbs.
I dont tighten over 50lbs without pillars. Might not matter but thats what I do.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would bed 1.25" of the barrel forward of the recoil lug with the lug only touching on the back side using the two layer of masking tape method on the other surfaces of the lug. </div></div>
Why do you feel the front of the lug must be relieved in that situation?
I kinda like the idea of only taping off the sides and bottom of the lug. Allowing the front to make contact, and hold the lug firm against the rear. Plus it stiffens the forend just a little.
Especially when bedding 1.5" infront of the lug.
Your thoughts?
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I used to not tape the front of my lugs too when bedding. I felt the same as you, that it helps hold the lug rearward making full contact all the time. I have changed in the last year to taping in front. It just makes removing the barreled action easier. Not so much of an issue for me, but sometimes my customers take there rifles out of the stock and it just makes the job easier on them.
I used to not tape the front of my lugs too when bedding. I felt the same as you, that it helps hold the lug rearward making full contact all the time. I have changed in the last year to taping in front. It just makes removing the barreled action easier. Not so much of an issue for me, but sometimes my customers take there rifles out of the stock and it just makes the job easier on them.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beanland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not so much of an issue for me, but sometimes my customers take their rifles out of the stock and it just makes the job easier on them. </div></div>
That's something I worry about. I round the edges of the bottom of the lug so much that(in theory) it helps to prevent ever scraping bedding off the walls or causing marks of any kind when dropping the barreled action back in. Doesn't make it much easier to get out though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beanland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not so much of an issue for me, but sometimes my customers take their rifles out of the stock and it just makes the job easier on them. </div></div>
That's something I worry about. I round the edges of the bottom of the lug so much that(in theory) it helps to prevent ever scraping bedding off the walls or causing marks of any kind when dropping the barreled action back in. Doesn't make it much easier to get out though.
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I believe how far out to bed the chamber depends on barrel contour. In other words, I bedded the whole chamber today because the barrel was light, sporter, but that is the only reason I bedded that far out; to stiffen and quell wild vibrations adverse to accuracy.
I believe how far out to bed the chamber depends on barrel contour. In other words, I bedded the whole chamber today because the barrel was light, sporter, but that is the only reason I bedded that far out; to stiffen and quell wild vibrations adverse to accuracy.
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I take it a step further now and gently round off the corners of the bedding material around the recoil lug to help avoid chipping. I've had two come back where the customer wiggled the action back and forth to get it out of the bedding and then chipped off the corner in the process. Its still a fully functional bedding job even after the chip but it doesn't look as nice. With the rounded corner, I've yet to have one come back chipped.
I also tape the front of the lug but I have yet to bed past the lug. I stick to mostly Savages and just haven't seen any that have benefited by bedding past the lug.
mike
I take it a step further now and gently round off the corners of the bedding material around the recoil lug to help avoid chipping. I've had two come back where the customer wiggled the action back and forth to get it out of the bedding and then chipped off the corner in the process. Its still a fully functional bedding job even after the chip but it doesn't look as nice. With the rounded corner, I've yet to have one come back chipped.
I also tape the front of the lug but I have yet to bed past the lug. I stick to mostly Savages and just haven't seen any that have benefited by bedding past the lug.
mike
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beanland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not so much of an issue for me, but sometimes my customers take their rifles out of the stock and it just makes the job easier on them. </div></div>
That's something I worry about. <span style="font-weight: bold">I round the edges of the bottom of the lug so much that(in theory) it helps to prevent ever scraping bedding off the walls or causing marks of any kind when dropping the barreled action back in. </span>Doesn't make it much easier to get out though.
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Keith,
FWIW, after our conversation at school, I did that also.
I also found that polishing the lug real nice made my Remington that had no tape on the lug slip in and out nicely.
There is friction, but it comes out nice and smooth, and goes back in the same way.
Mark
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beanland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not so much of an issue for me, but sometimes my customers take their rifles out of the stock and it just makes the job easier on them. </div></div>
That's something I worry about. <span style="font-weight: bold">I round the edges of the bottom of the lug so much that(in theory) it helps to prevent ever scraping bedding off the walls or causing marks of any kind when dropping the barreled action back in. </span>Doesn't make it much easier to get out though.
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Keith,
FWIW, after our conversation at school, I did that also.
I also found that polishing the lug real nice made my Remington that had no tape on the lug slip in and out nicely.
There is friction, but it comes out nice and smooth, and goes back in the same way.
Mark
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I belive it's good on a remington action that due to a large ejectionport is pretty weak. Stiffer actions like surgeon, tikka t3 etc Will likely be better off without bedding on the barrel to minimeze effects from the forend.
That said for an new expensive build i would chose an optimized Action, with fairly small ejectionport and integrated scoperail.
Håkan
I belive it's good on a remington action that due to a large ejectionport is pretty weak. Stiffer actions like surgeon, tikka t3 etc Will likely be better off without bedding on the barrel to minimeze effects from the forend.
That said for an new expensive build i would chose an optimized Action, with fairly small ejectionport and integrated scoperail.
Håkan
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuhr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I belive it's good on a remington action that due to a large ejectionport is pretty weak. Stiffer actions like surgeon, tikka t3 etc Will likely be better off without bedding on the barrel to minimeze effects from the forend.
That said for an new expensive build i would chose an optimized.
Håkan </div></div>
Ouch man something was lost in translation.
And roger that Mark. I may soon be trying your silly putty idea. It obviously works I just haven't used up my clay yet.
m1k3, I do the same thing but just barely. I break the edge behind and infront of the lug with 220 grit and blow it out with compressed air. Leaves a nice little rounded edge there that wont chip nearly as easy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuhr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I belive it's good on a remington action that due to a large ejectionport is pretty weak. Stiffer actions like surgeon, tikka t3 etc Will likely be better off without bedding on the barrel to minimeze effects from the forend.
That said for an new expensive build i would chose an optimized.
Håkan </div></div>
Ouch man something was lost in translation.
And roger that Mark. I may soon be trying your silly putty idea. It obviously works I just haven't used up my clay yet.
m1k3, I do the same thing but just barely. I break the edge behind and infront of the lug with 220 grit and blow it out with compressed air. Leaves a nice little rounded edge there that wont chip nearly as easy.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And roger that Mark. I may soon be trying your silly putty idea. It obviously works I just haven't used up my clay yet.
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Yeah it cleans up real nice. The only downside I found is that over time the stuff flows a little bit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And roger that Mark. I may soon be trying your silly putty idea. It obviously works I just haven't used up my clay yet.
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Yeah it cleans up real nice. The only downside I found is that over time the stuff flows a little bit.
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Agree with Hakan. My weak actions (M700s) are all barrel bedded. My stiff actions (Anschutz, Barnard) are floated.
Agree with Hakan. My weak actions (M700s) are all barrel bedded. My stiff actions (Anschutz, Barnard) are floated.
