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BEST GUN REST TO SET SCOPE SITES ON REM 700 .308

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#1
Hello everyone,
just got my Rem 700 with a NIghtforce and wanted to know what the best shooters bench would be to really zero in the scope. Looking for something that will take the recoil and stay put. Thanks in advance for any help. Looking to purchase asap
 
#3
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Maybe Im from the other side of the fence but...

Are you always going to shoot it in a rest?

Why not just zero it from the prone or however it will be shot?

Its only a 308, not like it will break your shoulder.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe Im from the other side of the fence but...

Are you always going to shoot it in a rest?

Why not just zero it from the prone or however it will be shot?

Its only a 308, not like it will break your shoulder.

</div></div>

while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe Im from the other side of the fence but...

Are you always going to shoot it in a rest?

Why not just zero it from the prone or however it will be shot?

Its only a 308, not like it will break your shoulder.

</div></div>

while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest </div></div>

I can see your side of this and to each thier own. Just throwing my opinion out there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest </div></div>

How much closer can you get than dead on?

Zero it how you use it.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest </div></div>

How much closer can you get than dead on?

Zero it how you use it.
</div></div>

Nice to see that Im not that crazy lol.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest </div></div>

How much closer can you get than dead on?

Zero it how you use it.
</div></div>

not everyone shoots off a bipod or any type of rest all the time
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RM700NIGHTFORCENXS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow so many off topic opinions! I don't shoot with a rest just on tuning in the scope the first few times out then I rely on eyesight... </div></div>

Not really off topic if you think about it.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RM700NIGHTFORCENXS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow so many off topic opinions! I don't shoot with a rest just on tuning in the scope the first few times out then I rely on eyesight... </div></div>

Then why do you need a rest to sight it in?

I have scoped and zeroed many a rifle. Never needed a rest. This includes M82A1A's capable of engaging targets at 2000+ yards.

If you can shoot a rifle accurately, then you can hold it yourself when you shoot. So my ON TOPIC answer to the question is the BEST REST for sighting in is the rest you will use to shoot it. If that's the hood of a truck, a ruck, or whatever, then roll with it.

Now if I really want to try for gnat's ass accuracy from a rifle and be able to do it all day (after I can't do my part anymore), I break out the Caldwell Rock BR. I can shoot better off the bipod or pack at the beginning of the session, just not at the end of the day once fatigue takes over. The difference is far less than MOA and it's crazy overkill for just "sighting in" rifles. I really got it because I thought it would be funny to take the AE Mk II to a benchrest shoot.

I don't feel any benchrest is "best" for your application. Then again, some folks get pissed when they hear answers that they don't like.
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RM700NIGHTFORCENXS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow so many off topic opinions! I don't shoot with a rest just on tuning in the scope the first few times out then I rely on eyesight... </div></div>
Retarded...seriously, if you can't group and adjust to zero, you've got issues.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Megahoser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RM700NIGHTFORCENXS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow so many off topic opinions! I don't shoot with a rest just on tuning in the scope the first few times out then I rely on eyesight... </div></div>
Retarded...seriously, if you can't group and adjust to zero, you've got issues.</div></div>
get a life who asked your opinion.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RM700NIGHTFORCENXS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow so many off topic opinions! I don't shoot with a rest just on tuning in the scope the first few times out then I rely on eyesight... </div></div>

Then why do you need a rest to sight it in?

I have scoped and zeroed many a rifle. Never needed a rest. This includes M82A1A's capable of engaging targets at 2000+ yards.

If you can shoot a rifle accurately, then you can hold it yourself when you shoot. So my ON TOPIC answer to the question is the BEST REST for sighting in is the rest you will use to shoot it. If that's the hood of a truck, a ruck, or whatever, then roll with it.

Now if I really want to try for gnat's ass accuracy from a rifle and be able to do it all day (after I can't do my part anymore), I break out the Caldwell Rock BR. I can shoot better off the bipod or pack at the beginning of the session, just not at the end of the day once fatigue takes over. The difference is far less than MOA and it's crazy overkill for just "sighting in" rifles. I really got it because I thought it would be funny to take the AE Mk II to a benchrest shoot.

I don't feel any benchrest is "best" for your application. Then again, some folks get pissed when they hear answers that they don't like.</div></div>

thank you your opinion is well taken! thanks for the advice bud.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest </div></div>

How much closer can you get than dead on?

Zero it how you use it.
</div></div>

Nice to see that Im not that crazy lol. </div></div>

Would not go that far.....still think you are right though......
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: force_multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
while I do see what you're saying, I do like to get the zero as clse as posible, so I like a rest </div></div>

How much closer can you get than dead on?

Zero it how you use it.
</div></div>

Nice to see that Im not that crazy lol. </div></div>

Would not go that far.....still think you are right though...... </div></div>

Touche Sir... And thank you... I hope to never show you my full extent of crazy. LOL
 
#20
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What knight & lonewolf said. You just might find you shoot better prone than off a bench.

Make a rear bag out of a mil sock & shelled corn. Spend the money you saved on ammo/loading components.
 
#21
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Best way to zero is a machine rest and good rear bag. Then once zeroed, practice the way you plan to shoot it.

Even competitive Palma shooters will set zero off a machine rest. When zeroing you want to eliminate as much human element as possible.
 
#22
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If the support method used to zero is significantly different from your shooting method, the effort is wasted. A rifle that is locked into a mechanical device that is heavy and rigid, will not allow it to recoil the same as a rifle shot off a pack. The zero from one rest is not the same as the zero from another. While locking a rifle down in a rest may add consistancy, it may not be consistant with how the rifle is shot.
 
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You should also sight it in, in a tunnel (as to avoid any wind)
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LAME.
 
#26
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I think you can't beat some good old sandbags. I've tried all sorts of things and sandbags are hard to beat. Bench rest boys use specialized equipment for a specialized discipline which isn't what I need but I do like to do my basic zero on a comfortable shooting platform. Bags filled with all sorts of things are a boon to get that comfortable position.

With a new rifle and scope set up its nice to get everything just right like matching ammunition to the rifle. This requires consistent shooting and I'll use whatever I can to do it. Again sandbags are great, but so is a fine summers day with little if no wind and minimal mirage (a dull calm summers morning is best).
Once I have everything well bolted down and know what the rifle combination can do I can start shooting the rifle for real. If I get the zero day right, and it takes a day or at least a couple of goes to get right, then I can leave the rifle alone; sometimes for years.

Frankly, its all a confidence boost so that I can concentrate on my marksmanship. Shoot and know your rifle; the above exercise is part of the learning curve. If the bullets aren't hitting the mark its your marksmanship or external influences. Rarely is it the rifles fault. (If it is then you can check off bags again; but make sure its a long way off before fiddling). I see far too much fiddling with kit by those with no confidence in it or themselves.

I've done and seen a lot of zeroing off the bonnet of a truck. Sometimes that is all you can get but its no way to build confidence in a rifle. The effective range for a truck zeroed rifle is whatever you shoot to. Having a long perfect zero day practicing on the range, with aids, is a pleasant way to shoot anyway.

Spend $$$ on bags if you want but sand filled bags will do. Its actually shooting that will get you shooting better. The last shot I took I was on a mountain side holding on with my bol..cks trying to take a well aimed shot. That day on the range seemed a long time ago, but I am happy I did.
 
#27
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With the set-up you have, you probably just need a good set of bags. If you use a big mechanical rest that holds the rifle for you, it would be akin to letting someone else "sight in" for you, like so many dipsticks want their friends to do the week before hunting season. The rifle will shoot differently as it is held differently. With a good set of bags, you will have the rest you need and you will be able to learn to shoot before you try to get further ahead than you are able. If you can hold your shots to sub-moa consistently from the bags, then you will be able to reach out with confidence and know why you miss, (and you will) because you will know what went wrong.(wind, cheek weld, etc.) These guys on here are not wanabees, they know what they are talking about. Although you will find a smart-azz or two as everywhere else, you will get good info if you listen and read. When you get crap from your questions, understand that you are a newby and most of your questions can usually be answered by looking around for the info. I have just started my quest for the one shot hit at whatever the distance, and I spend a majority of my time reading this site and a couple others. I am starting to use what I read here to evaluate what happens in the field. I am very constricted to how much I can shoot, due to money and family activities, so I am trying to learn from others as much as I can. I am hoping it will allow me to make better decisions in the field, and be more efficient. I now have a rifle that will outshoot me, so I will be trying to catch up with it when the weather allows. I would not waste money an a big mechanical rest, I think you will find it will not be at all important after you have shot for a while.
 
#29
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External influences: there are all sorts of things that can change the point of impact other than the rifle. Here are two:

You have zeroed from bags and everything is spot on. The first shot you take in the field is from a wood fence post. The shot goes a foot high; why? It has nothing to do with the rifle but everything to do with the harmonics of stock on wood and body interaction. Less bad with heavy rifles and I've never quite worked out why. Solution don't use field rests but use crossed sticks that you have practiced with.

I have a really stable sitting position but it throws my shot 7 inches right at 200m. It has done for years with several weapon systems. Solution is to compensate for this when forced to take that position. Another shooter might never have this problem.

Enjoy finding out, but remember once your rifle is set its rarely the rifle's problem. A rifle that shoots an inch left, right, high, low a week after your zero session leave well alone as another week later it will shoot the opposite or go straight in again.


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