"Biden admin takes aim at hunters in latest regulation: 'Preventing Americans from hunting'"

[xsn10s]

"Under the settlement, the FWS promised to expand lead ammunition prohibitions in its 2023-2024 annual rule, the plan proposed Thursday."

Biden admin takes aim at hunters in latest regulation: 'Preventing Americans from hunting'

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced new prohibitions on lead ammunition and lead tackle usage across public refuges, a move hunting groups blasted.

www.foxnews.com

 

[samadisoulcrusher]

With never ending inflation and food processing plants going up in flames. A fertilizer shortage and food
shortages., coming. Plus multiple attacks on energy production. More people will be looking for ways to get basic necessities and food. More people will start thinking about hunting again.
I see this as just another attack vector on the average citizen.

 

[xsn10s]

From the article:

""This is the latest example of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service creating rules that punish hunters, threaten conservation funding and advance special interests without sound scientific evidence that traditional lead ammunition cause is causing detrimental wildlife population impacts," said Lawrence Keane, the senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation."

 

[eca7891]

Ummmm.

Isn’t lead already banned on US wildlife hunting areas.

Or is it waterfowl only.

If only waterfowl then how big of an impact is it going to be to put a ban on other species?

 

[Blue Sky Country]

One of the chief MOs of a globalist organization is to stop citizens from being able to rely on themselves and the land for sustenance and only rely on the state through welfare handouts and eventually rations and access to one's own funds restricted or enabled depending on the person's social credit score.

We have seen since 2020 so far:

The war against uncensored online health and medical information.

The war against guns, which have always been ongoing.

The war against the nuclear family, via LGBT perversion.

The war against homeschooling.

The war against masculinity and traditional gender roles.

The war against garden farming and owning your own seed stocks.

The war against internal combustion vehicles in favor of EVs which are far easier to restrict and regulate remotely.

The war against certain home appliances like wood burning stoves which decreases public reliance on the state controlled power grids.

The war against hunting and fishing and the education and culture associated with such, now escalated into withholding funding from schools that teach traditional riflecraft, archery, and outdoor survival.

The war against public mobility by aggressively pushing for "15 minute bubble cities" where residents are to spend their entire lives without traveling more than 10 miles from where they reside.

And now, with the construction of the cyberpunk and dystopian Saudi Arabian and WEF funded "closed metropolis" project called "The Line" well underway in the Arabian desert and with a completion date set for 2027, they are eager to implement and experiment with this new serfdom that they plan to carry out globally. Those young socialist hotheads who have sent in their applications to live in The Line once it is done have no idea what is about to hit them. If Burning Man 2023, a completely open and pretty much capitalistic "commune" can be turned into the shitshow of the decade by a couple of desert monsoon storms, imagine what a 100% state controlled and fully egalitarian police state inside a vast glass enclosure would turn out like in just a few months to a year...

 

[Maggot]

Iz fo de chillin's

 

[xsn10s]

Ummmm.

Isn’t lead already banned on US wildlife hunting areas.

Or is it waterfowl only.

If only waterfowl then how big of an impact is it going to be to put a ban on other species?

Nope just shotgun ammo for waterfowl. Imagine if they get there way they will extend it for all shooting on federal lands.

 

[lash]

Ummmm.

Isn’t lead already banned on US wildlife hunting areas.

Or is it waterfowl only.

If only waterfowl then how big of an impact is it going to be to put a ban on other species?

I take it that you don’t fish or hunt. “Why should it matter to me?”

Take off your selfish blinders.

 

[eca7891]

I take it that you don’t fish or hunt. “Why should it matter to me?”

Take off your selfish blinders.

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I do both.

Just not on federal land. Lol

 

[Blue Sky Country]

 

[xsn10s]

I do both.

Just not on federal land. Lol

Do you hunt, fish, shoot on BLM lands?

 

[xsn10s]

It doesn't really matter because the majority of us hunt/ fish/ shoot on public/ federal lands. Which means they are on there way to getting rid of most, if not all lead ammo.

 

[eca7891]

Do you hunt, fish, shoot on BLM lands?

Nope

 

[xsn10s]

Nope

so that leaves private lands. Once they get lead ammo banned on public lands they'll go after private. But it won't matter because the damage will have been done.

 

[xsn10s]

For the record I've been fishing/ hunting for over fifty years. I've never until today heard of anyone fishing/ hunting only on private lands.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

In the mean time, the cartels are adding colloidal lead made from old car batteries to the tons of Marijuana they send over the border... because it sweetens the taste and adds significant 'weight' to the shipments for very low cost. Most of the lead comes from old car batteries cut up and ground in Mexico.

So fine for the stoners to inhale it... But can't use it to be self-suffient.

Buy more lead... by the time it's banned everyone should have at least 200 lbs, and a mold. Because you gonna need it.

Sirhr

 

[eca7891]

For the record I've been fishing/ hunting for over fifty years. I've never until today heard of anyone fishing/ hunting only on private lands.

All private, state or county.

 

[lash]

I do both.

Just not on federal land. Lol

Right! Therefore, no skin off your nose now is it?

Except look to CA, where they’ve already taken the next step to ban it statewide. Gee, that’s okay too right, you’ll just shoot your lead rounds at a range. Oh wait, that’s going to be illegal too.

You getting it yet?

 

[eca7891]

Right! Therefore, no skin off your nose now is it?

Except look to CA, where they’ve already taken the next step to ban it statewide. Gee, that’s okay too right, you’ll just shoot your lead rounds at a range. Oh wait, that’s going to be illegal too.

You getting it yet?

You sound…… unprepared.

 

[n2ishun]

3 words

Corbin Bullet Swage

 

[xsn10s]

It won't matter if you have lead or the means to swage bullets. If they make it illegal to shoot them (period) then we're on our way to banning and confiscation.

 

[lash]

You sound…… unprepared.

No. What I don’t sound like is someone who just takes the constant erosion of our rights sitting down with a shrug just because a particular regulation doesn’t impact me right now. I’m also not someone that thinks that we must first start Armageddon and win out against all odds against the evil empire. Because first of all that’s all bullshit and braggadocio in your mind.

Secondly, I’m almost 65 and prepared for whatever life throws at me. But more so, I don’t give up my rights with a shrug.

You really don’t get it yet, do you?

 

[Blue Sky Country]

If they ban lead....I'll just switch to .458 lott with solids and hunt my deer for the glory of the empire.....

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....Now to find a monocle and a pith helmet....

You can exchange that single box of .458 Lott for a Hi Point 10mm and still have some funds left over for a couple of 20 round boxes of 10mm Winchester Silvertips...

 

[eca7891]

No. What I don’t sound like is someone who just takes the constant erosion of our rights sitting down with a shrug just because a particular regulation doesn’t impact me right now. I’m also not someone that thinks that we must first start Armageddon and win out against all odds against the evil empire. Because first of all that’s all bullshit and baggidacio in your mind.

Secondly, I’m almost 65 and prepared for whatever life throws at me. But more so, I don’t give up my rights with a shrug.

You really don’t get it yet, do you?

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Lol

And you think I’m the one not getting it.

You sir need to wake up and realize the real world in which we live.

Get prepared because clearly you are not and you really need to be.

Or you can sit back and cast stones at those of us who are or at least are trying to be.

 

[xsn10s]

For the record once a socialist/ communist state takes away firearms they go after land.

 

[lash]

Lol

And you think I’m the one not getting it.

You sir need to wake up and realize the real world in which we live.

Get prepared because clearly you are not and you really need to be.

Or you can sit back and cast stones at those of us who are or at least are trying to be.

Okay, I’ll bite one more time. Please provide a full explanation of what you consider being prepared. If you mean religiously, you’ll be wrong again. I’m aware of what the revelation will bring and am prepared for that. But more than anything, the Bible teaches us that the Lord helps those that help themselves. Sitting at home and praying while around you the world burns is not being prepared.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

For the record once a socialist/ communist state takes away firearms they go after land.

Already doing so in Europe. Those huge protests in the Netherlands by farmers last year were not carried out because the farmers were bored and wanted more Pepsi vending machines in the rural areas...

 

[lash]

Lol

And you think I’m the one not getting it.

You sir need to wake up and realize the real world in which we live.

Get prepared because clearly you are not and you really need to be.

Or you can sit back and cast stones at those of us who are or at least are trying to be.

You sound like somebody who has accepted defeat in this world.

 

[eca7891]

Sigh…..

There are a ton of work around for everything you listed.

Worried about not being able to hunt federal land using lead? Use copper solids.

Worried about target shooting lead on federal land. Use copper, go to a gun range, private ground etc.

Worried about them coming around and confiscating lead bullets. Lmao ( this was my favorite). Do you not think we would be in a civil war at that point?

 

[eca7891]

You sound like somebody who has accepted defeat in this world.

I’m a realist and have a really good idea what’s coming.

 

[xsn10s]

You sound like somebody who has accepted defeat in this world.

I don't think his beliefs are realistic. Lead ammo bans are not based on science imo. They use the lead ammo ban to weaken 2A rights which will lead to a firearms ban. Or it will become so costly that ONLY the rich will be able to hunt/fish/ shoot. Much like when Kings ruled England.

 

[xsn10s]

A lead ban doesn't have to happen. but if people will only be concerned with their own little part of the world then it will happen.

 

[eca7891]

Oh.

And if you are worried about not being able to get those lead bullets, powder or primers then there is no better time than the present.

 

[lash]

Sigh…..

There are a ton of work around for everything you listed.

Worried about not being able to hunt federal land using lead? Use copper solids.

Worried about target shooting lead on federal land. Use copper, go to a gun range, private ground etc.

Worried about them coming around and confiscating lead bullets. Lmao ( this was my favorite). Do you not think we would be in a civil war at that point?

I’m not worried. I’m saying don’t just shrug and find another way. That’s a defeatist attitude. Like I said, you’ve already conceded the fucking war and don’t care about the battles. Wake up man!

You’re already girding your loins for civil war instead of actually caring about the small battles that matter.

A wholly defeatist attitude that has helped get us where we are today.

 

[xsn10s]

Sigh…..

There are a ton of work around for everything you listed.

Worried about not being able to hunt federal land using lead? Use copper solids.

Worried about target shooting lead on federal land. Use copper, go to a gun range, private ground etc.

Worried about them coming around and confiscating lead bullets. Lmao ( this was my favorite). Do you not think we would be in a civil war at that point?

If they ban using lead on public lands they WILL ban it later on private lands.

 

[xsn10s]

I’m not worried. I’m saying don’t just shrug and find another way. That’s a defeatist attitude. Like I said, you’ve already conceded the fucking war and don’t care about the battles. Wake up man!

You’re already girding your loins for civil war instead of actually caring about the small battles that matter.

A wholly defeatist attitude that has helped get us where we are today.

Yup exactly.

 

[xsn10s]

If people won't fight against a simple thing like a lead ammo ban do we really think they'll fight a civil war? Again realistic expectations.

 

[eca7891]

No…

What I think is time it takes to do something as complicated as removing the existence of lead ammo from the United Stares that a war will have already taken place.

Damn. Just look at military surplus ammo alone.

First you would have to ban the manufacture or selling of lead ammo, ban the importation of such, then find a way to remove all the existing lead ammo. THAT I find totally unrealistic.

I’ll take it more seriously when they ban lead in military ammo.

So no, I’m not going to get my panties in a bunch over this.

Do I support it? No


Unltil then I have far greater concerns to keep an eye on.

 

[xsn10s]

Again that's short sighted. I said nothing about removing it. They won't need to and I doubt that is in their plans. I said banning it. banning lead ammo will raise the cost of ammo making shooting/ hunting go on the decline. When that pattern starts we're on our way to not having any 2A rights. So if you don't care about 2A right then this isn't any or your concern.

 

[eca7891]

Again that's short sighted. I said nothing about removing it. They won't need to and I doubt that is in their plans. I said banning it. banning lead ammo will raise the cost of ammo making shooting/ hunting go on the decline. When that pattern starts we're on our way to not having any 2A rights. So if you don't care about 2A right then this isn't any or your concern.

You will will die from food and energy issues before lead bullets are of concern

 

[eca7891]

Again that's short sighted. I said nothing about removing it. They won't need to and I doubt that is in their plans. I said banning it. banning lead ammo will raise the cost of ammo making shooting/ hunting go on the decline. When that pattern starts we're on our way to not having any 2A rights. So if you don't care about 2A right then this isn't any or your concern.

The second amendment isn’t about shooting sports or hunting.

You mix shooting sports and hunting in a legal argument and you will be laughed out of a court room if you are making a 2nd amendment argument.

And yes, it could end up there.

Want a better solution to all this??? Take back your state rights. Like abortion.

 

[xsn10s]

The second amendment isn’t about shooting sports or hunting.

Obviously. Like I said this lead ammo ban is geared towards weaken/ taking away your 2A rights.

 

[xsn10s]

The second amendment isn’t about shooting sports or hunting.

You mix shooting sports and hunting in a legal argument and you will be laughed out of a court room if you are making a 2nd amendment argument.

And yes, it could end up there.

Want a better solution to all this??? Take back your state rights. Like abortion.

I think you are completely missing the point. The lead ban isn't about hunting or shooting. It's a tactic to get rid of firearms use by making shooting firearms so expensive you won't need to ban firearms. Go ahead and try to divert the argument but that is the focus of lead banning. It leads to firearms banning.

 

[BurtG]

Nope just shotgun ammo for waterfowl. Imagine if they get there way they will extend it for all shooting on federal lands.

Yes this

Eventually a lead ban on all ammo


Just the tip then

 

[lash]

He’s too busy prepping to be bothered with something as silly as rights and the government.

 

[xsn10s]

He’s too busy prepping to bothered with something as silly as rights and the government.

I agree and the reality is prepping won't work. If we are speaking of a government that wants to take away 2A Rights then we just look at how socialist/ communist governments have done it throughout history. Once they take away the firearms they round up any dissidents. After that they confiscate lands. All that prepping becomes property of the government. I'm sure they'll be happy with their planning and prep work.

 

[eca7891]

I think you are completely missing the point. The lead ban isn't about hunting or shooting. It's a tactic to get rid of firearms use by making shooting firearms so expensive you won't need to ban firearms. Go ahead and try to divert the argument but that is the focus of lead banning. It leads to firearms banning.

Pick one or the other arguments and stop mixing them. Second amendment or hunting.

If you are worried about your ability to hunt with lead then use copper.

If you are worried about them banning lead bullets ( or ingots as another stated) then buy them now. There are plenty of military surplus sellers on the market or you can buy second or pulled if you need to. Find a private landowner that will let you shoot on his property if it gets that bad.

There are a million other things to worry about ( and die from when it’s completely in government control) then if they get a lead bullet ban in place on federal land.

The way things are going they could mandate vaccines through the food change and kill us all unless we take a knee. To me this is a bigger threat than banning lead on federal land. Tre lead thing would seem more likely to be a distraction from something else Trey would rather us not see.

 

[eca7891]

I agree and the reality is prepping won't work. If we are speaking of a government that wants to take away 2A Rights then we just look at how socialist/ communist governments have done it throughout history. Once they take away the firearms they round up any dissidents. After that they confiscate lands. All that prepping becomes property of the government. I'm sure they'll be happy with their planning and prep work.

More comments from boomers that think hunting is a constitutional right.

And little faith that Americans will stand up when they actually have to.

 

[EddieNFL]

 

[xsn10s]

You're not the boss of me youngster lol.