Does anyone know if Blackops Precision and Defiance have merged?
Noticed Mike Bush was in the Defiance outfit working at the Defiance booth.
Noticed Mike Bush was in the Defiance outfit working at the Defiance booth.
Blackops Precision and Defiance
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Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
Pretty certain they haven't merged. I believe they simply shared a booth...
Pretty certain they haven't merged. I believe they simply shared a booth...
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohica121</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know if Blackops Precision and Defiance have merged?
Noticed Mike Bush was in the Defiance outfit working at the Defiance booth. </div></div>
More than a few vendors will work out of the same booth sometimes. You gotta realize how much that damn space costs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohica121</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know if Blackops Precision and Defiance have merged?
Noticed Mike Bush was in the Defiance outfit working at the Defiance booth. </div></div>
More than a few vendors will work out of the same booth sometimes. You gotta realize how much that damn space costs.
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
Don't speculate, that is exactly how rumors get started. Let Mike come on here and clear things up.
Don't speculate, that is exactly how rumors get started. Let Mike come on here and clear things up.
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
I'd like to see some pics too - I am sure they both had something new to display.
Both companies seem to be on top of their game!!!
I'd like to see some pics too - I am sure they both had something new to display.
Both companies seem to be on top of their game!!!
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
I have heard form several people that this is true, but i think we should wait and see what Mike has to say before anyone jumps the gun. I have sent him an email asking him to let everyone know the status of Black Ops and the status of unfufilled orders, including my own. Mike is a good guy and I'm sure he won't leave everyone hanging.
I have heard form several people that this is true, but i think we should wait and see what Mike has to say before anyone jumps the gun. I have sent him an email asking him to let everyone know the status of Black Ops and the status of unfufilled orders, including my own. Mike is a good guy and I'm sure he won't leave everyone hanging.
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
Based on the way this post came about, I had no intention of making an event out of it, but the rumor mill doesn't disappoint.
I recently accepted a position (01-13-12) as a Design Engineer with Defiance Machine. My roll will be to Design and Develop new products, as well as help Defiance customers in any way possible to ensure their success. Very simple. I'll also staunchly report that there has been no merger between BlackOps Precision and Defiance Machine.
In addition, BlackOps Precision is not closing up. I'm still running BlackOps Precision and anyone that has a rifle build in process has nothing to worry about. The rifle builds will still be conducted in my shop by the same people that have been building the rifles that our customers expect to see and we're shipping a steady stream of rifles.
It isn't untrue that we've been slow to deliver over the last six months of 2011, but the slow down has been a direct product of a lawsuit (that we faired very well with) and my agreement to change my company name. The greatest challenge during this process was waiting for a new marking variance. Historically, my variances have been processed in far less than 30 days, but I was out of production for 106 days while waiting for the ATF to process the variance on the Model 911. Afterwards, the variance for the Model 605 Rimfire Repeater was processed in about 15 days.
Any future changes in the direction of BlackOps Precision will occur as transparent to my customers as possible, but the fact remains, I am still in the drivers seat and any questions can be directed to me personally.
Based on the way this post came about, I had no intention of making an event out of it, but the rumor mill doesn't disappoint.
I recently accepted a position (01-13-12) as a Design Engineer with Defiance Machine. My roll will be to Design and Develop new products, as well as help Defiance customers in any way possible to ensure their success. Very simple. I'll also staunchly report that there has been no merger between BlackOps Precision and Defiance Machine.
In addition, BlackOps Precision is not closing up. I'm still running BlackOps Precision and anyone that has a rifle build in process has nothing to worry about. The rifle builds will still be conducted in my shop by the same people that have been building the rifles that our customers expect to see and we're shipping a steady stream of rifles.
It isn't untrue that we've been slow to deliver over the last six months of 2011, but the slow down has been a direct product of a lawsuit (that we faired very well with) and my agreement to change my company name. The greatest challenge during this process was waiting for a new marking variance. Historically, my variances have been processed in far less than 30 days, but I was out of production for 106 days while waiting for the ATF to process the variance on the Model 911. Afterwards, the variance for the Model 605 Rimfire Repeater was processed in about 15 days.
Any future changes in the direction of BlackOps Precision will occur as transparent to my customers as possible, but the fact remains, I am still in the drivers seat and any questions can be directed to me personally.
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackOps Tech</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on the way this post came about, I had no intention of making an event out of it, but the rumor mill doesn't disappoint.
I recently accepted a position (01-13-12) as a Design Engineer with Defiance Machine. My roll will be to Design and Develop new products, as well as help Defiance customers in anyway possible to ensure their success. Very simple. I'll also staunchly report that there has been no merger between BlackOps Precision and Defiance Machine.
In addition, BlackOps Precision is not closing up. I'm still running BlackOps Precision and anyone that has a rifle build in process has nothing to worry about. The rifle builds will still be conducted in my shop by the same people that have been building the rifles that our customers expect to see and we're shipping a steady stream of rifles.
It isn't untrue that we've been slow to deliver over the last six months of 2011, but the slow down has been a direct product of a lawsuit (that we faired very well with) and my agreement to change my company name. The greatest challenge during this process was waiting for a new marking variance. Historically, my variances have been processed in far less than 30 days, but I was out of production for 106 days while waiting for the ATF to process the variance on the Model 911. Afterwards, the variance for the Model 605 Rimfire Repeater was processed in about 15 days.
Any future changes in the direction of BlackOps Precision will occur as transparent to my customers as possible, but the fact remains, I am still in the drivers seat and any questions can be directed to me personally.</div></div>
oh my!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackOps Tech</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on the way this post came about, I had no intention of making an event out of it, but the rumor mill doesn't disappoint.
I recently accepted a position (01-13-12) as a Design Engineer with Defiance Machine. My roll will be to Design and Develop new products, as well as help Defiance customers in anyway possible to ensure their success. Very simple. I'll also staunchly report that there has been no merger between BlackOps Precision and Defiance Machine.
In addition, BlackOps Precision is not closing up. I'm still running BlackOps Precision and anyone that has a rifle build in process has nothing to worry about. The rifle builds will still be conducted in my shop by the same people that have been building the rifles that our customers expect to see and we're shipping a steady stream of rifles.
It isn't untrue that we've been slow to deliver over the last six months of 2011, but the slow down has been a direct product of a lawsuit (that we faired very well with) and my agreement to change my company name. The greatest challenge during this process was waiting for a new marking variance. Historically, my variances have been processed in far less than 30 days, but I was out of production for 106 days while waiting for the ATF to process the variance on the Model 911. Afterwards, the variance for the Model 605 Rimfire Repeater was processed in about 15 days.
Any future changes in the direction of BlackOps Precision will occur as transparent to my customers as possible, but the fact remains, I am still in the drivers seat and any questions can be directed to me personally.</div></div>
oh my!!!
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
Here's a copy of the Press Release that was released at SHOT:
DEFIANCE MACHINE ADDS FIREARMS PRO TO DESIGN TEAM
Las Vegas, Nevada, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 – Expanding upon its many pioneering
achievements in firearms design and manufacturing for the shooting sports industry,
Defiance Machine, Inc., of Columbia Falls, Montana, announced today it has added
firearms engineer Mr. Mike Bush, of BlackOps Technologies, LLC., of
Columbia Falls, Montana, to its team of design professionals.
“We are extremely fortunate to have such an accomplished firearms designer and experienced rifle-maker in our camp,” said Defiance Machine founder Glen Harrison. “The list of innovative products Mike has designed and developed over the years is impressive by anyone's standards, and he has many more on the drawing board Defiance will soon be introducing to the industry.”
According to Harrison, some of the current products Mr. Bush is bringing to Defiance Machine include the Enhanced Heavy-Duty DBM with Magazine Pre-Load, a Precision Rimfire Repeater Action, AICS Style Rimfire Magazine, SPECTER Bolt-Action BUIS System, 40XB Repeater Conversion Kits, Switch Barrel/Take-Down Technology, and numerous accessory-mounting systems.
- more -
Defiance Machine - continued
“Mike is also a dedicated rifleman,” Harrison concluded, “who has specialized in designing and manufacturing ultra-accurate rifle platforms utilizing proprietary
components, and special tooling and procedures to ensure shot-after-shot accuracy.”
Visit Defiance Machine, Inc., at Booth #1861 for more information on the company's growing line of innovative firearms products and services.
Here's a copy of the Press Release that was released at SHOT:
DEFIANCE MACHINE ADDS FIREARMS PRO TO DESIGN TEAM
Las Vegas, Nevada, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 – Expanding upon its many pioneering
achievements in firearms design and manufacturing for the shooting sports industry,
Defiance Machine, Inc., of Columbia Falls, Montana, announced today it has added
firearms engineer Mr. Mike Bush, of BlackOps Technologies, LLC., of
Columbia Falls, Montana, to its team of design professionals.
“We are extremely fortunate to have such an accomplished firearms designer and experienced rifle-maker in our camp,” said Defiance Machine founder Glen Harrison. “The list of innovative products Mike has designed and developed over the years is impressive by anyone's standards, and he has many more on the drawing board Defiance will soon be introducing to the industry.”
According to Harrison, some of the current products Mr. Bush is bringing to Defiance Machine include the Enhanced Heavy-Duty DBM with Magazine Pre-Load, a Precision Rimfire Repeater Action, AICS Style Rimfire Magazine, SPECTER Bolt-Action BUIS System, 40XB Repeater Conversion Kits, Switch Barrel/Take-Down Technology, and numerous accessory-mounting systems.
- more -
Defiance Machine - continued
“Mike is also a dedicated rifleman,” Harrison concluded, “who has specialized in designing and manufacturing ultra-accurate rifle platforms utilizing proprietary
components, and special tooling and procedures to ensure shot-after-shot accuracy.”
Visit Defiance Machine, Inc., at Booth #1861 for more information on the company's growing line of innovative firearms products and services.
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
Just curious as how you are going to take on a Design Engineer pos with Defiance and keep up with the backlog/lead times with your rifles now?
Just curious as how you are going to take on a Design Engineer pos with Defiance and keep up with the backlog/lead times with your rifles now?
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dzlfarmboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious as how you are going to take on a Design Engineer pos with Defiance and keep up with the backlog/lead times with your rifles now? </div></div>
Although I appreciate your question, I won't discuss any further details on this forum. All of my customers still maintain a direct and open line to me personally and I will openly entertain questions directed to me via telephone and/or email.
Had this post been started by a known quantity on this forum, my approach would be different. However, and as a result, the back-channel chatter has absorbed the time and energy of many industry figures that have better things to do with their time. Any future posts regarding this topic will be directed to my responses in this post.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dzlfarmboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious as how you are going to take on a Design Engineer pos with Defiance and keep up with the backlog/lead times with your rifles now? </div></div>
Although I appreciate your question, I won't discuss any further details on this forum. All of my customers still maintain a direct and open line to me personally and I will openly entertain questions directed to me via telephone and/or email.
Had this post been started by a known quantity on this forum, my approach would be different. However, and as a result, the back-channel chatter has absorbed the time and energy of many industry figures that have better things to do with their time. Any future posts regarding this topic will be directed to my responses in this post.
Re: Blackops Precision and Defiance
After a few conversations with my customers, I now understand the concerns. I had a conversation about a month ago with a member here regarding CNC inletting customer stocks for my DBM. The conversation involved outside customers shipping stocks to this particular member and I would ship the DBMs to his shop. This would keep me from doing a large number of inletting jobs on a manual machine and provide the end customers with faster service....so I thought.
I now know that the conversation has been grossly misrepresented by that member. I will adamantly reiterate that there will be no contracting or outsourcing of any portion of anyone's rifle builds outside my shop. All rifle builds will be handled by my people and I, in my shop....period.
After a few conversations with my customers, I now understand the concerns. I had a conversation about a month ago with a member here regarding CNC inletting customer stocks for my DBM. The conversation involved outside customers shipping stocks to this particular member and I would ship the DBMs to his shop. This would keep me from doing a large number of inletting jobs on a manual machine and provide the end customers with faster service....so I thought.
I now know that the conversation has been grossly misrepresented by that member. I will adamantly reiterate that there will be no contracting or outsourcing of any portion of anyone's rifle builds outside my shop. All rifle builds will be handled by my people and I, in my shop....period.
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