Alright I'm coming to the experts. What's the story about breaking in the barrel on a new rifle? How important is it? And how many rounds / trips to the range before it's broken in.....
Breaking in your new rifle.
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Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> read all of this and you will form your own opinion </div></div>
Well Handled!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> read all of this and you will form your own opinion </div></div>
Well Handled!
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
If you're able to remove the steel of you're barrel by pushing a piece of cotton down the barrel you might consider buying a better gun.
If you're able to remove the steel of you're barrel by pushing a piece of cotton down the barrel you might consider buying a better gun.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
thank you, interesting stuff. My opinion..... well.... if your asking I'm of the opinon after reading this information that unless you spent a couple mortgage payments on a rifle..... you should just work on shooting to the best of your ability and enjoy the ride. I appreciate your input.
thank you, interesting stuff. My opinion..... well.... if your asking I'm of the opinon after reading this information that unless you spent a couple mortgage payments on a rifle..... you should just work on shooting to the best of your ability and enjoy the ride. I appreciate your input.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
they sell breakin bullets witch have different textures like sandpaper from a course to a fine... 4 different grits 10 of each and the job is done....
they sell breakin bullets witch have different textures like sandpaper from a course to a fine... 4 different grits 10 of each and the job is done....
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
The whole shoot and clean method seems really superstitious to me. Perhaps it was a conspiracy by the ammo and cleaning supplies manufactures of the world in an attempt to make people consume more of their product.
I am a fan of just going to the range and shooting it.
The whole shoot and clean method seems really superstitious to me. Perhaps it was a conspiracy by the ammo and cleaning supplies manufactures of the world in an attempt to make people consume more of their product.
I am a fan of just going to the range and shooting it.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
Never get tired of this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjbnYm_HmXg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg
Bottom line is....it is your gun, your money bought it. Decide on which method you believe is best for you....
Never get tired of this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjbnYm_HmXg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg
Bottom line is....it is your gun, your money bought it. Decide on which method you believe is best for you....
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
This has been discussed many times on the forum. It's all a matter of personal preference. I listen to the manufacture of the weapon or the barrel. If GAP tells me to shoot this course of fire, I will do it. They built it and I want it to last. For regular factory rifles, you're going to wear the barrel out faster by shoot, clean, shoot, clean, than you will with regular shooting. Try this search link to pull up the different oppinions on barrel break in:
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010955838166721108978:qcbx5qqy10o&hl=en
This has been discussed many times on the forum. It's all a matter of personal preference. I listen to the manufacture of the weapon or the barrel. If GAP tells me to shoot this course of fire, I will do it. They built it and I want it to last. For regular factory rifles, you're going to wear the barrel out faster by shoot, clean, shoot, clean, than you will with regular shooting. Try this search link to pull up the different oppinions on barrel break in:
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010955838166721108978:qcbx5qqy10o&hl=en
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
Barrel break in = waste of time.
I have experimented with doing it and not doing it in factory and custom barrels. I never saw any noted difference. Just shoot it.
Barrel break in = waste of time.
I have experimented with doing it and not doing it in factory and custom barrels. I never saw any noted difference. Just shoot it.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tac243</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they sell breakin bullets witch have different textures like sandpaper from a course to a fine... 4 different grits 10 of each and the job is done.... </div></div>
LMAO
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tac243</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they sell breakin bullets witch have different textures like sandpaper from a course to a fine... 4 different grits 10 of each and the job is done.... </div></div>
LMAO
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
Shoot the sonofabitch..., a lot. When it is really dirty, clean it. Then shoot it a lot more.
Shoot the sonofabitch..., a lot. When it is really dirty, clean it. Then shoot it a lot more.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO </div></div>
Great post, very informative, I like how you carefully and thoroughly explained your point of view.
I've done the clean and shoot method, but I couldn't really say with any certainty that it improved the barrel more than what just shooting it would've accomplished. On my next rifle I'm going to try the clean and shoot method, then follow that by creating a lead plug, applying polishing compound, and hand lapping it to see if the groups get any smaller or bigger.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO </div></div>
Great post, very informative, I like how you carefully and thoroughly explained your point of view.
I've done the clean and shoot method, but I couldn't really say with any certainty that it improved the barrel more than what just shooting it would've accomplished. On my next rifle I'm going to try the clean and shoot method, then follow that by creating a lead plug, applying polishing compound, and hand lapping it to see if the groups get any smaller or bigger.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO </div></div>
Great post, very informative, I like how you carefully and thoroughly explained your point of view.
I've done the clean and shoot method, but I couldn't really say with any certainty that it improved the barrel more than what just shooting it would've accomplished. On my next rifle I'm going to try the clean and shoot method, then follow that by creating a lead plug, applying polishing compound, and hand lapping it to see if the groups get any smaller or bigger. </div></div>
In a previous thread on this subject Lowlight posted to say that they had run a test on two identical rifles - I think they were TRG's from memory.
One was broken in, one was not. After x thousand rounds the difference was not even noticable.
Hence my original post - you pays your money and takes your choice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO </div></div>
Great post, very informative, I like how you carefully and thoroughly explained your point of view.
I've done the clean and shoot method, but I couldn't really say with any certainty that it improved the barrel more than what just shooting it would've accomplished. On my next rifle I'm going to try the clean and shoot method, then follow that by creating a lead plug, applying polishing compound, and hand lapping it to see if the groups get any smaller or bigger. </div></div>
In a previous thread on this subject Lowlight posted to say that they had run a test on two identical rifles - I think they were TRG's from memory.
One was broken in, one was not. After x thousand rounds the difference was not even noticable.
Hence my original post - you pays your money and takes your choice.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
I used to do the clean, 1 shot, clean, 5 shot, etc...
My last new barrel, my break in consisted of cleaning it, shooting about 150 rounds and cleaning again. It has been by far my most accurate barrel to date.
You either have a good barrel or not, "breaking it in" isn't going to change that fact, imo.
I used to do the clean, 1 shot, clean, 5 shot, etc...
My last new barrel, my break in consisted of cleaning it, shooting about 150 rounds and cleaning again. It has been by far my most accurate barrel to date.
You either have a good barrel or not, "breaking it in" isn't going to change that fact, imo.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In a previous thread on this subject Lowlight posted to say that they had run a test on two identical rifles - I think they were TRG's from memory.
One was broken in, one was not. After x thousand rounds the difference was not even noticable.</div></div>
Which makes sense, you don't lap/break-in a barrel to extend the life of a barrel, you do it to get the tightest groups possible from the get-go. A barrel is going to degrade no matter how you break it in or shoot it, so comparing them at the end of their lifespans isn't going to show you anything, they'll both be worn out. Where you may see a difference is at the beginning of the barrel's life, when there are still fresh tooling marks that haven't been smoothed out over time. And this is with a factory barrel I might add, a lot of custom barrel makers already hand lap their barrels, so trying to "break in" one of those is pointless.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In a previous thread on this subject Lowlight posted to say that they had run a test on two identical rifles - I think they were TRG's from memory.
One was broken in, one was not. After x thousand rounds the difference was not even noticable.</div></div>
Which makes sense, you don't lap/break-in a barrel to extend the life of a barrel, you do it to get the tightest groups possible from the get-go. A barrel is going to degrade no matter how you break it in or shoot it, so comparing them at the end of their lifespans isn't going to show you anything, they'll both be worn out. Where you may see a difference is at the beginning of the barrel's life, when there are still fresh tooling marks that haven't been smoothed out over time. And this is with a factory barrel I might add, a lot of custom barrel makers already hand lap their barrels, so trying to "break in" one of those is pointless.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tac243</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they sell breakin bullets witch have different textures like sandpaper from a course to a fine... 4 different grits 10 of each and the job is done.... </div></div>
LMAO</div></div>
i drop 2400 on a rifle and told to do break it in, im going to...
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm
theres a reason for this....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tac243</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they sell breakin bullets witch have different textures like sandpaper from a course to a fine... 4 different grits 10 of each and the job is done.... </div></div>
LMAO</div></div>
i drop 2400 on a rifle and told to do break it in, im going to...
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm
theres a reason for this....
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
I know a guy who got a tactical m700 and broke it in using the shoot-clean-repeat method. Started out with normal sized groups, and by the end was shooting 1/2-inchers. That speaks well enough for me.
I know a guy who got a tactical m700 and broke it in using the shoot-clean-repeat method. Started out with normal sized groups, and by the end was shooting 1/2-inchers. That speaks well enough for me.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
your always going to have one guy that cant go with the flow.... they just want to swim up river... by breaking on a barrel you will remove small scratchs in the rifling from milling... this process will give you a smoother bore resulting in better accuracy... the process is different with every barrel....
your always going to have one guy that cant go with the flow.... they just want to swim up river... by breaking on a barrel you will remove small scratchs in the rifling from milling... this process will give you a smoother bore resulting in better accuracy... the process is different with every barrel....
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
As an aside one guy,say a little something about the "mill" used in barrel making and their remaining footprints.
Thank you.
As an aside one guy,say a little something about the "mill" used in barrel making and their remaining footprints.
Thank you.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
WOW!... It's no wonder the guy who invented "including break-in instructions with each custom barrel" did so. He was a freakin' genius! He knew that all he had to do was give the already anal retentive benchrest shooters something else to be anal retentive about! "I know... I'll include this bullshit shoot and clean, shoot and clean process with all of the Custom, already hand-lapped barrels I make so shooters will waste the best shots out of their new barrels following those instructions.
GENIUS!!!... Sheer Genius!!!
PS: No offense meant to benchrest shooters. I have the utmost respect for you guys... That's just not me.
WOW!... It's no wonder the guy who invented "including break-in instructions with each custom barrel" did so. He was a freakin' genius! He knew that all he had to do was give the already anal retentive benchrest shooters something else to be anal retentive about! "I know... I'll include this bullshit shoot and clean, shoot and clean process with all of the Custom, already hand-lapped barrels I make so shooters will waste the best shots out of their new barrels following those instructions.
GENIUS!!!... Sheer Genius!!!
PS: No offense meant to benchrest shooters. I have the utmost respect for you guys... That's just not me.
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WOW!... It's no wonder the guy who invented "including break-in instructions with each custom barrel" did so. He was a freakin' genius! He knew that all he had to do was give the already anal retentive benchrest shooters something else to be anal retentive about! "I know... I'll include this bullshit shoot and clean, shoot and clean process with all of the Custom, already hand-lapped barrels I make so shooters will waste the best shots out of their new barrels following those instructions.
GENIUS!!!... Sheer Genius!!!
PS: No offense meant to benchrest shooters. I have the utmost respect for you guys... That's just not me. </div></div>
That's an interesting story, just which barrel maker are you referring to and which hand lapped barrels do these break in instructions come with?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WOW!... It's no wonder the guy who invented "including break-in instructions with each custom barrel" did so. He was a freakin' genius! He knew that all he had to do was give the already anal retentive benchrest shooters something else to be anal retentive about! "I know... I'll include this bullshit shoot and clean, shoot and clean process with all of the Custom, already hand-lapped barrels I make so shooters will waste the best shots out of their new barrels following those instructions.
GENIUS!!!... Sheer Genius!!!
PS: No offense meant to benchrest shooters. I have the utmost respect for you guys... That's just not me. </div></div>
That's an interesting story, just which barrel maker are you referring to and which hand lapped barrels do these break in instructions come with?
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
Just google "Gale McMillan and barrel break in". The story came from him, not me. Mine is a loose interpretation. Mr. McMillan tells the story in far more detail... But he doesn't give up the name of the barrel maker. Check it...
Just google "Gale McMillan and barrel break in". The story came from him, not me. Mine is a loose interpretation. Mr. McMillan tells the story in far more detail... But he doesn't give up the name of the barrel maker. Check it...
Re: Breaking in your new rifle.
I did to one rifle....................then I got lazy and have not really done it since, I have maybe cleaned a couple of rifles once or twice in the first 10 shots.
I now think that anything other than live ammo going down the barrel has greater chance of doing some damaging that not completeing a break in.
I do clean when I first get a new rifle just to get any packing grease etc. out of the tube. Not sure if new custom barrels even require this ?
I did to one rifle....................then I got lazy and have not really done it since, I have maybe cleaned a couple of rifles once or twice in the first 10 shots.
I now think that anything other than live ammo going down the barrel has greater chance of doing some damaging that not completeing a break in.
I do clean when I first get a new rifle just to get any packing grease etc. out of the tube. Not sure if new custom barrels even require this ?
