Bryan Litz and MOBALL

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So how come this is the first I have heard of this? So Bryan any group buys in the future for your SH buddies?
http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/MOBALL.htm
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Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

Thats slick and the pricing is right considering the calculator itself is 200 bucks you are paying 90 for the program which seems like a good deal.

Wonder how rugged it is, gussing about as much as a phone or PDA (not the TDS versions of course).
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

Hey guys,

Originally MOBALL came about because I didn't feel there were enough portable ballistics computers that work with G7 BC's. With all things there are pros and cons. Here's my no BS run-down of the pros and cons of MOBALL compared to other mobile ballistics devices.

Pros:
1) Size. Large easy to operate buttons and easy to see screen. If you've ever used a toothpick to push the little buttons on a smartphone or tiny touch-screen you'll appreciate this.

2) The TI-Voyage is not a network device like an iPhone or smart phone. Benefit here is it's not intended to work with a data plan/subscription meaning no commitment to recurring fees.

3) Batteries. It will run for months on 4 regular AAA batts. No fancy expensive rechargeable deal that you need another plug for (pet peeve of mine).

4) Features. In addition to the regular variables required for basic solutions, MOBALL also has the option to account for spin drift, coriolis, and multiple winds in up to 3 zones.

5) Accuracy. The MOBALL solution compares well with JBM and other 'properly written' ballistics solvers. See the accuracy report.

6) Versatility. The device isn't networked, but it's still very useful as a calculator especially if you're a highschool or college student in math/science classes. The TI-Voyage is an impressive tool even without MOBALL.

7) Support. Upgrades and bug fixes are made available to past/existing MOBALL users. Updates are sent out via email and there are clear instructions for the user on how to install the upgrade. I'm available to answer questions and assist/troubleshoot any problems.

Cons:
1) Size. Although its size makes for easier operation, MOBALL is larger (more to carry) than most portable PDA/cell phone devices.

2) There is no library feature that includes BC's for a list of bullets; you have to find out and enter the BC of your bullet.

3) You can't save a 'set' of inputs. Some programs allow you to save a set of inputs that's unique for different rifles. MOBALL doesn't have this capability.

4) MOBALL doesn't output tables, only a single firing solution (windage and elevation) for a particular shot. That's what it's designed for. Running tables is homework for a PC IMO.

5) Durability. The unit isn't fragile; it's as durable as any normal electronic device (think cell phone, walkie talkie, GPS, etc) but it's not waterproof. It was made for a classroom/backpack/school bus environment so it's tough but don't drop it down a rock cliff into a frozen river and expect it to work like some of the 'ruggedized' mil spec PDA's out there.

6) Cost. You can <span style="font-style: italic">get away</span> with a handheld ballistics computer for less money if you just want a basic, ballpark solution or if you already have a iPhone you can get several good programs on it inexpensively. But if you need a very accurate and complete solution, and you don't already have an iPhone (and/or don't want to change your phone service provider) then this is a very reasonable option.

Here's a slide-show of all the MOBALL input blocks. The spin drift, coriolis and multiple winds are optional.

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Group buy? It's possible.

I'll be happy to answer any questions about MOBALL.

Take care,
-Bryan
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shark0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JBM ballistics is free...just saying</div></div>

And so portable. Apples and oranges dude.
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

Is the Ti-Voyager language comparable to the TI-89 language? That might be a solution for downsizing the package.

I've been using a Ti-89 almost daily for school and work for the past 10 years, they're fantastic. I know nothing about the Voyage except that the size appears to be about double.
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

The lack of a BC library kind of killed it for me. If I was not already running FTE on a Touch, I would consider it, but have no reason now.

That is one of the things I like about FTE, you can ounch in different bullet combos and do comparisons. No need to look up anything. The accuracy however...

I know you can thumb through Bryan's book to get the numbers, but having them onboard is handy.

ANY device/program that includes all of Bryan's BCs would be mine, no question!
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

Here's a testimonial I got recently from a MOBALL user:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brian,
Yesterday I sighted in two loads with my 6.5x284 target rifle,
one with 123gr SMKs and the other with 142gr SMKs. Elevation was
4170ft, 34 degrees F. I recorded muzzle velocity averages and noted
that the cold barrel shot was 29fps slower than the average and the
2nd shot 12fps slower than average.
Today I took it to a friends place who has gongs up to 1000yds.
The elevation was only 1800ft so the atmospheric pressure read by
my Kestral was quite different than from where I sighted in, as well
as being warmer. I made the assumption that the 100yd zero would
be the same at both elevations.
In the new conditions I had to resort to trial and error with
the Moball computer to find a sight-in range that gave me the same
100yd point of impact as when I sighted in the previous day under
different conditions.
The moment of truth was at hand. I decided to try it first at
1000yd. I input all of the conditions and used the G7 B.C.
published in your book. For the first shot I dialed in the "cold
barrel velocity" as being 29fps slower.
To make a long story short I nailed the 1000yd gong, which is
26" in diameter, with the first shot, and the 2nd, and the 3rd, etc.
I quit after 6 shots and no misses. This was with the 123gr SMK.
I then went through the input process again with the 142gr SMK
load, which during sight-in had produced an extreme spread of 5 and
a SD of 2. I fired 3 rounds, all center hits, and then asked each
of my spotters to try a shot. The resulting 5 shot group at 1000yd
was perfectly centered and looked to be about a 5" group.
Several hours later We tested the rifle and your ballistics at
rocks on a far hillside, having an uphill elevation of up to 12
degrees. We shot at 772yds, at 1\2 mile [880 yd], and at 999yd. In
all cases the elevation dialed in with the numbers produced by the
Moball computer were perfect, We did have a little more trouble on
the wind axis. The last shots of the day were at 999yd where I
fired 2 shots and each of my spotters fired one.. All shots hit the
rock which appeared to be about 9 inches in diameter.
In conclusion I cannot begin to tell you how pleased I am with
the performance of Moball using all of the understanding and B.C.s
provided by your book.</div></div>

We all know that accurate long range shooting takes work and good equipment. It's encouraging to know that first shot hits on distant targets are possible with proper preparation, and when the right tools are used for the job.

-Bryan
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

Well I got mine in and regrettably I haven't gotten to the field with it yet. Too much Super Bowl and Mardi Gras!!! But I'm going real soon!!

The library really doesn't mean much to me as I'm looking for field solutions for the shot at hand.

Will let you know as soon as I get some trigger time
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bryan Litz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

3) You can't save a 'set' of inputs. Some programs allow you to save a set of inputs that's unique for different rifles. MOBALL doesn't have this capability.

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Bryan,

Does this mean that *all* variables must be re-input for another firing solution? For instance, if you move back 400 yards on the same range (temp, altitude/barometric pressure, rifle and ammo remain the same). Does it keep the last set of input variables, allowing you to modify the one or two parameters that may have changed?

Thanks,

Darrell
 
Re: Bryan Litz and MOBALL

Darrell,

The program stores the last thing you put in. So if you're set up for a particular rifle on a particular day at 400 yards and you have a target at 600 yards, you just have to change the range. Everything else stays the same until you change it, even if you turn the unit off then back on.

-Bryan