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Tell him to stop following Elmer Fudd on 24 hour camp fire.
Or, alternatively, tell him the bullet comes out of the barrel gyroscopically stabilized at 250,000-300,000 rpm and, ideally, at the top of the sine wave harmonic whip.
You don’t. You ask him to rationalize how that’s possible out loud.
Have him tell you what mystery force breaks the first law of motion.
That's a new one ... sleeping bullets. I honestly don't know WTF that even is.
I whisper sweet lullabies to my rounds as I chamber them. Shrinks my groups buy 1/4-3/8 MOA
Um ... right. More accuracy at longer distances for a round that starts inaccurately, and somehow ... wakes up downrange and decides to get back on the ballistic curve after taking a 150-yard "nap". OK ... I'm sure that's possible. Did I mention that Big-Foot is renting my AirBnB next week?
Dude...I wish I were making this up. This fairy tale is rampant in fudd circles particularly with fast twist magnums shooting heavies.
We think it’s a flinch that no one will ever admit to because theyre an amazing marksman and can easily shoot magnums sub moa
We think it’s a flinch that no one will ever admit to because theyre an amazing marksman and can easily shoot magnums sub moa
i shot a 220g SMK out of a 300wm with a muzzle brake and no ear pro once took me 2yrs to get rid on that flinch LOL.
I've "NEVER" shot anything more accurately at longer distances, than I was able to shoot at 100 yards ... end of story. Ballistically, that whole "sleeping bullet" thing is physically impossible. I mean ... literally ... the "physics" of that hypothesis simply don't work. Thanks for educating me on something I could never talk myself into believing. LOL
I did that with a 50-AE Desert Eagle ... just forgot the muffs ... hanging on my head but not covering my ears.
Spent the next 3 days answering the phone with nobody there.
My brother spends a lot of time learning about long range shooting from the Fudds at longrangehunting and told me about this a couple years ago. I told him the laws of physics didn't allow for such a phenomenon, but he insisted it was a thing. He also recently told me Huskemaw makes a great scope, I kid you not. 
I actually have, it was because at 100 yards I could easily see the groups and I’d try to muscle them in where as at 400 I’d just be relaxed and let the fly because I couldn’t really see what was happening.
Thankfully I got past that.
But that was "attitude" ... not "ballistics". LOL
I think a lot of attitude is confused for ballistics.
Sometimes it’s better just to agree, even if it’s wrong.....
Yes your bullets go to sleep after 100 yd
Savage is the same quality as AI
Scopes above $150 are a waste of $$
Your gun does shoot 1/4 MOA all day long
6.5 CM is the greatest caliber ever
Yes your bullets go to sleep after 100 yd
Savage is the same quality as AI
Scopes above $150 are a waste of $$
Your gun does shoot 1/4 MOA all day long
6.5 CM is the greatest caliber ever
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Have him stand in the line of fire right at the point where they supposedly fall asleep. And he can check it out personally!
Better still, get a new friend. This one is not worthy.
Sirhr
Better still, get a new friend. This one is not worthy.
Sirhr
When I took Frank’s class I discovered that I shot much tighter groups at further distances than I did 100yrds as did a few other students. Apparently it’s really common among less skilled/trained shooters. Being able to see really well let me see and try to correct all my little wiggles, making matters worse. Nothing to do with the gun or bullet of course. Just an indication of lousy fundamentals.
Don't. Morons will never stop being morons.
Bullets with boat tails do go to sleep, but it happens really quickly. Inside of 20 yds IIRC. That’s why 100 br guys all shoot FB bullets. I’m not sure that you want to even table this discussion point, but that much is true. NO bullets steer towards POA (tighten up) though.
I'd love to hear an explanation based on fluid dynamics. If you can't explain it, how can you make such a claim?
Does he work concrete?My brother spends a lot of time learning about long range shooting from the Fudds at longrangehunting and told me about this a couple years ago. I told him the laws of physics didn't allow for such a phenomenon, but he insisted it was a thing. He also recently told me Huskemaw makes a great scope, I kid you not.
How many bow kills does he have?
It’s an absurd conclusion that it had anything to do with the bullet or gun. The bullet is on a trajectory, even if it were less stable initially and become more stable in flight as it slowed, the initial instability would alter its angle of flight, and it would continue on that new angle. When I shoot 1moa at 100yrs and 1/3rd moa at 800 yards, that’s just me over correcting small movements that I can see at short distances.
Considering the idea is mentioned in Bartlein's FAQ on gain twist and has mentioned the idea on lowlight's podcast, maybe someone can get Frank Green to elaborate.
Personally, I think the idea is the noise people need to just tune out. Who cares if bullets do or don't go to sleep. All that matters is if you can accurately and repeatedly hit the target.
Personally, I think the idea is the noise people need to just tune out. Who cares if bullets do or don't go to sleep. All that matters is if you can accurately and repeatedly hit the target.
Well I guess someone with a slow mo camera set up that can track a bullet at difference parts its path should do some research and see if these mf things are literally catching some ZZZZZ's on the way to the target and then decide to wake up at exactly 101yds. I'll be willing to donate the ammo and rifle 
As much as those two know, they don't know as much about the subject as true ballisticians like Dave Emary and Bryan Litz.
And I'm pretty sure neither buys into the bullets sleeping bullshit
I saw an experiment conducted in Precision Shooting 20 years ago. It was demonstrable, but small.
The explanation is pretty easy. The boat tail is still in the bore as the gas escapes around it, any inconsistencies in bullet concentricity or crown imperfections impart gyroscopic instability on the bullet. It takes a moment to fully restabilize.
The explanation is pretty easy. The boat tail is still in the bore as the gas escapes around it, any inconsistencies in bullet concentricity or crown imperfections impart gyroscopic instability on the bullet. It takes a moment to fully restabilize.
Actually the take away from the experiment was that it happened much quicker than “most” guys thought it did.
Bullets settling down or going to sleep does NOT equal and has NEVER equaled what idiots say about bullets that steer towards POA or tighten up as the distance increases. That defies laws of physics.
I don't know shit, but I want it to be true.
This... This is the answer, can't believe some of you guys hear this shit and don't laugh out loud
Then it is, my friend ... at least for you.
Except one response so far has been that it’s real. They’re out there dude. Fudds.This... This is the answer, can't believe some of you guys hear this shit and don't laugh out loud
It's absolutely true.
It's also why I don't shoot matches... I never know when my bullets went out the previous night and are sleeping off the festivities.
Sometimes you can tell... The meplats are all bloodshot with dark circles around them. Disgraceful.
Mike
It's also why I don't shoot matches... I never know when my bullets went out the previous night and are sleeping off the festivities.
Sometimes you can tell... The meplats are all bloodshot with dark circles around them. Disgraceful.
Mike
Maybe they were shooting dum-dums...Well I guess someone with a slow mo camera set up that can track a bullet at difference parts its path should do some research and see if these mf things are literally catching some ZZZZZ's on the way to the target and then decide to wake up at exactly 101yds. I'll be willing to donate the ammo and rifle
Relevant Ballistic Data... There's something to spend your day thinking about not dumb shit someone heard from someone else in a coffee shop about a "theory"...
Tell them ELDM's enter a different dimension if you spin them past 320,000 rpm
Does running out of energy mean its time for a nap? They all go to sleep then!
Do we need to write the official SH bullet lullaby?
I was told a while back, that some rounds tumble once they leave the barrel.
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He had a young acolyte with him at the range.
The amount of dribbleshit he filled that young fellas head with.
This is due to starting with minimum load data.
He had a young acolyte with him at the range.
The amount of dribbleshit he filled that young fellas head with.
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