Maggie’s Burning Man 2018- Too Commercial or Dirty Hippy
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Back in the day when it was a few thousand people and it was about the art, rather than drugs and partying, I would have been game. You couldn’t pay me to go today. Well, Maybe if we’re going in a tank I’ll think about it...
I heard back in the early days of burning man they had a shooting range and you could do a drive by. I read an article last year about how millionaires from Silicon Valley are taking it over and driving up ticket costs so the poor hippies couldn’t afford it. They’re also setting up multi million dollar camps. Either way there are some smoking hot girls that go.
I have "worked" Burning Man. I always thought I was a sexual deviant in need of serious psychiatric therapy until I went. After going there I soon realized there wasn't a damn thing wrong with me.
About 5,000 bicycles were abandoned in the desert at this year's festival (2017)
I used to live in Humboldt county, hippies are hardcore litterbugs.About 5,000 bicycles were abandoned in the desert at this year's festival (2017)
Driving from Reno to Winnemucca today and there were many stragglers making their way home. We have a great time in the area shooting rifles and launching rockets. Some of the rockets launched are unbelievable and hit altitudes that are mind blowing. The BlackRock desert is a wonderful place but not because of Burning Man.
Reno is my home but I have never been and don't want to, they sure make a mess coming and going.
Some of the pics I see every year are cool.
Some of the pics I see every year are cool.
Let me get this straight , go into a desert and not get paid for it , but actually pay to be there ?
Most festivals like this follow a familiar pattern : they start out as quite innovative expressions of
music and and art , then gradually get ruined by commercial interests , drug dealers and other
elements trying to milk a dollar .
There is a few smaller scale events like this in Aus : ‘ Splendour in the grass ‘ started out as a hippy ish
thing , it’s now corporate event management , raking in over $ 20 million a year .
Most festivals like this follow a familiar pattern : they start out as quite innovative expressions of
music and and art , then gradually get ruined by commercial interests , drug dealers and other
elements trying to milk a dollar .
There is a few smaller scale events like this in Aus : ‘ Splendour in the grass ‘ started out as a hippy ish
thing , it’s now corporate event management , raking in over $ 20 million a year .
Meh, A big concentration of "Hey look at me!"
Used to go to the Harley Rendezvous in Duanesburg New York.
Similar thing "Hey look at me!" - music, motorcycles, drinking, chicks walking around, blowing their boyfriends or screwing in plain view with a bunch of guys standing around watching.
Gets old pretty quick.
Used to go to the Harley Rendezvous in Duanesburg New York.
Similar thing "Hey look at me!" - music, motorcycles, drinking, chicks walking around, blowing their boyfriends or screwing in plain view with a bunch of guys standing around watching.
Gets old pretty quick.
Nude bicycle ride. Lots of Dongs too. Can post those or the Pink
.....Wear a condom, just sayin'
Commercialism isn't really an issue.
The problem is it's supposed to make you suffer for art but a bunch of billionaires and celebrities are making "luxury camps" so they don't get an authentic experience and it's just out of place there, changing things for the typical crowd.
As far as litter goes, the festival has a good record of cleaning up the site after the event, to and from I'm not sure about.
There are certainly the right kind of people and the wrong kind of people who go there. The right kind understand it's a leave no trace event and are prepared to do a complete cleanup. The wrong kind of people show up unprepared for not only the cleanup but also the realities of basic survival in the desert and they leave a wake of mooch and litter across the event.
Ticket price is high but no one is getting rich off of the event, it's expensive because they have to create inferstructure for a temporary city, they sponsor art and they have to employ a large crew to run the whole thing.
It can be fun if you're an art lover.
If you just want to see cute naked hippy chics, realize that is a very small minority.
The problem is it's supposed to make you suffer for art but a bunch of billionaires and celebrities are making "luxury camps" so they don't get an authentic experience and it's just out of place there, changing things for the typical crowd.
As far as litter goes, the festival has a good record of cleaning up the site after the event, to and from I'm not sure about.
There are certainly the right kind of people and the wrong kind of people who go there. The right kind understand it's a leave no trace event and are prepared to do a complete cleanup. The wrong kind of people show up unprepared for not only the cleanup but also the realities of basic survival in the desert and they leave a wake of mooch and litter across the event.
Ticket price is high but no one is getting rich off of the event, it's expensive because they have to create inferstructure for a temporary city, they sponsor art and they have to employ a large crew to run the whole thing.
It can be fun if you're an art lover.
If you just want to see cute naked hippy chics, realize that is a very small minority.
No one is getting rich off the event? HA HA HA!! good one
It's always about money:
In April 2011, Larry Harvey announced that the LLC was beginning a three-year process to transfer ownership and control of the event over to a new non-profit organization called the "Burning Man Project." The move towards becoming a non-profit organization was the result of "bitter infighting" between members of the board. At one point it looked like all of the board members were going to hire lawyers. Corporate appraisers were brought in to determine how much the company was worth, which Larry Harvey found "abhorrent" and against all of the values that Burning Man stood for.[37]
An earlier agreement stated that each member of the LLC would only receive "sole compensation for many years of service, a golden parachute of $20,000." But the members now consented to an arrangement whereby each member of the LLC would receive an undisclosed sum prior to the transfer of their ownership rights to the Burning Man Project. Marian Goodell, board member and head of communication, addressed concerns about the lack of transparency with this statement: "When you’re in the middle of a storm, if you’re going to explain all of how you got there, and how you’re going to get out, it often sets more panic among the survivors than if you just sail the boat out of the darkness."[38]
It was announced in March 2014 via the official Burning Man Blog that the non-profit transition was complete.[39] Under the new non-profit structure Black Rock City LLC, the longtime for-profit responsible for the event, would be a subsidiary of the non-profit Burning Man Project. Although unmentioned in the initial announcement, the Terms and Conditions for ticket buyers were changed to reflect an alteration in the structure of the business. Under the new terms it was made known that a new LLC was created, Decommodification LLC, which in the new non-profit business structure, owns all of the intellectual property associated with the Burning Man brand, including ownership over logos and trademarks, and will be responsible for enforcement thereof.[40] The non-profit Burning Man Project licenses usage of all intellectual property associated with Burning Man from Decommodification LLC. After questions were raised by the community about this new LLC within the comment section on the original non-profit announcement Larry Harvey confirmed that he and the other founders were the sole owners of this new LLC.
Also:
Revealed: The 'non-profit' Burning Man festival makes $32.4M revenue a year and the CEO earns over $200,000 - but $30M is plowed back into creating the next festival
Vehicle passes are then $50 each.
The only thing available to buy at Burning Man is coffee and ice, which brought in $200,000 in 2014, the documents noted.
By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:39 EDT, 19 December 2015 | UPDATED: 13:38 EDT, 19 December 2015
In April 2011, Larry Harvey announced that the LLC was beginning a three-year process to transfer ownership and control of the event over to a new non-profit organization called the "Burning Man Project." The move towards becoming a non-profit organization was the result of "bitter infighting" between members of the board. At one point it looked like all of the board members were going to hire lawyers. Corporate appraisers were brought in to determine how much the company was worth, which Larry Harvey found "abhorrent" and against all of the values that Burning Man stood for.[37]
An earlier agreement stated that each member of the LLC would only receive "sole compensation for many years of service, a golden parachute of $20,000." But the members now consented to an arrangement whereby each member of the LLC would receive an undisclosed sum prior to the transfer of their ownership rights to the Burning Man Project. Marian Goodell, board member and head of communication, addressed concerns about the lack of transparency with this statement: "When you’re in the middle of a storm, if you’re going to explain all of how you got there, and how you’re going to get out, it often sets more panic among the survivors than if you just sail the boat out of the darkness."[38]
It was announced in March 2014 via the official Burning Man Blog that the non-profit transition was complete.[39] Under the new non-profit structure Black Rock City LLC, the longtime for-profit responsible for the event, would be a subsidiary of the non-profit Burning Man Project. Although unmentioned in the initial announcement, the Terms and Conditions for ticket buyers were changed to reflect an alteration in the structure of the business. Under the new terms it was made known that a new LLC was created, Decommodification LLC, which in the new non-profit business structure, owns all of the intellectual property associated with the Burning Man brand, including ownership over logos and trademarks, and will be responsible for enforcement thereof.[40] The non-profit Burning Man Project licenses usage of all intellectual property associated with Burning Man from Decommodification LLC. After questions were raised by the community about this new LLC within the comment section on the original non-profit announcement Larry Harvey confirmed that he and the other founders were the sole owners of this new LLC.
Also:
Revealed: The 'non-profit' Burning Man festival makes $32.4M revenue a year and the CEO earns over $200,000 - but $30M is plowed back into creating the next festival
- The festival's tax documents were made public for the first time after the organization recently became a non-profit
- They showed the 2014 festival made $32.4 million in revenue, but that $30 million was put back into the creation and running of the event
- Most of the revenue was generated through ticket sales
- An extra $200,000 was made through the sales of ice and coffee - the only things available for purchase at the event
- Burning Man CEO was paid a salary of $242,500 in 2014 and president Larry Harvey was paid $197,500
Vehicle passes are then $50 each.
The only thing available to buy at Burning Man is coffee and ice, which brought in $200,000 in 2014, the documents noted.
By DAILYMAIL.COM REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:39 EDT, 19 December 2015 | UPDATED: 13:38 EDT, 19 December 2015
And the permit you forgot the cost of the permit from BLM........... 1 million dollars goes to the taxpayer!
That is incredibly fair compared to music festivals where the promoters can suck millions out.
A hint for you here, I have made the aquaintence of the co-founder of the event who has been out of the picture for a lot longer than 2014 and he told me the arguments between the organizers have always been about creative control rather than money.
The reason why the co-founder is out of the picture is because he didn't need a full time job of organizing it.
I also know a woman who was one of the full time organizers that got pushed out a couple years ago. Again, it wasn't over money, just legal stuff changing.
Somewhat behind the scenes, the language in the contracts that Burning Man gives to artists, employees and suppliers has been changing. It's not about money, it's about control and liability. A lot of people don't like it. Of all the contention surrounding Burning Man, the contracts are at least 95% and the other 5% is stuff like how people want to swim at the hot springs Burning Man bought near Gerlach.
The reality is the organizers are paid a lot less than they would be doing the same work for a big music festival and while there is some drama behind the scenes, it's not about money.
A hint for you here, I have made the aquaintence of the co-founder of the event who has been out of the picture for a lot longer than 2014 and he told me the arguments between the organizers have always been about creative control rather than money.
The reason why the co-founder is out of the picture is because he didn't need a full time job of organizing it.
I also know a woman who was one of the full time organizers that got pushed out a couple years ago. Again, it wasn't over money, just legal stuff changing.
Somewhat behind the scenes, the language in the contracts that Burning Man gives to artists, employees and suppliers has been changing. It's not about money, it's about control and liability. A lot of people don't like it. Of all the contention surrounding Burning Man, the contracts are at least 95% and the other 5% is stuff like how people want to swim at the hot springs Burning Man bought near Gerlach.
The reality is the organizers are paid a lot less than they would be doing the same work for a big music festival and while there is some drama behind the scenes, it's not about money.
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