Buy American, or???

[Animal357]

Don't buy made in China.
If that's not possible, at least buy "Assembled in USA"
If that's not possible, at least buy "Proudly Packaged in USA"

 

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"proudly packaged"??.....what next, "proudly sold in the USA"?

get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

 

[Steel head]

"proudly packaged"??.....what next, "proudly sold in the USA"?

get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

 

[Romeo458]

If we made anything in this country anymore I'd buy American. I do when I can though

 

[E. Bryant]

1) Buy American
2) Buy from democracies that are strategic allies and which support a quality of life that we would find acceptable
3) Buy from countries which are at least not strategic adversaries of the US and/or openly hostile to its workforce

 

[Animal357]

"proudly packaged"??.....what next, "proudly sold in the USA"?

get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

Then we can say "Proudly purchased in the USA from Shitcom"

 

[AngryKoala]

Wait, does that mean I have to buy a shitty Kalashkinov USA AK instead of the Arsenal I bought because muh made in America?

 

[E. Bryant]

Wait, does that mean I have to buy a shitty Kalashkinov USA AK instead of the Arsenal I bought because muh made in America?

Yes, that's exactly what we mean.

PM me for shipping information so we can properly dispose of your contraband. The same offer also applies to a number of other shitty imported firearms, a wide variety of foreign tobacco and alcohol products, and a select number of German and Japanese vehicles.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

What is needed for manufacturing on large scale to come back to the USA is a few different things BUT one of the largest fixes needed is an American "Factory" workforce.

That workforce is gone via different reasonings. Hard to bring back large scale manufacturing to the USA without a workforce.

The modern era "factory" workforce consists of:
1. I am not working for that payment.
2. I am not standing in same spot all day doing that.
3. You mean I have to pick that 10lbs up that many times a day.

Just look at how many good paying jobs are on USA Gov Jobs.....cannot even fill them; much less a factory manufacturing job.

The Slogan needed is:
Buy American, By American

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[diverdon]

Wait, does that mean I have to buy a shitty Kalashkinov USA AK instead of the Arsenal I bought because muh made in America?

No! It means buy a AR15 or just knit yourself a vagina hat.

 

[diverdon]

Hi,

What is needed for manufacturing on large scale to come back to the USA is a few different things BUT one of the largest fixes needed is an American "Factory" workforce.

That workforce is gone via different reasonings. Hard to bring back large scale manufacturing to the USA without a workforce.

The modern era "factory" workforce consists of:
1. I am not working for that payment.
2. I am not standing in same spot all day doing that.
3. You mean I have to pick that 10lbs up that many times a day.

Just look at how many good paying jobs are on USA Gov Jobs.....cannot even fill them; much less a factory manufacturing job.

The Slogan needed is:
Buy American, By American

Sincerely,
Theis

At the right money Americans will do the jobs. If the product is not worth what they need to be paid then do without.

 

[Holliday]

Just like proper immigration, there is nothing wrong with buying foreign made products. The problem is when we are overwhelmed, especially by one country, and it displaces our own manufacturing/ jobs to the point where it currently has.

 

[AngryKoala]

No! It means buy a AR15 or just knit yourself a vagina hat.

I diversify my portfolio.

 

[E. Bryant]

Just like proper immigration, there is nothing wrong with buying foreign made products. The problem is when we are overwhelmed, especially by one country, and it displaces our own manufacturing/ jobs to the point where it currently has.

Fair trade is a fine concept. But what we have with China is not fair, and it's not free. Much like planting a tree, the best time to stop trade with China would have been about 20 years ago, and the second-best time is today.

 

[AngryKoala]

At the right money Americans will do the jobs. If the product is not worth what they need to be paid then do without.

Yea, go work at amazon observe the laziness while being paid $15-$18. I know because I witnessed it first hand while I worked there.

A nice infusion of hard working immigrants is what America needs.

 

[Holliday]

Fair trade is a fine concept. But what we have with China is not fair, and it's not free. Much like planting a tree, the best time to stop trade with China would have been about 20 years ago, and the second-best time is today.

So much, as I stated.......

 

[THEIS]

At the right money Americans will do the jobs. If the product is not worth what they need to be paid then do without.

Hi,

I understand that concept but it is not that simplistic.

IF it were there would not be 100K a year jobs available on USA.Gov.

Also there is a big disconnect between what "Right money for Americans to actually do the job" and "What job is worth".

There is no way that a fast food worker is worth $20 per hour...they cannot even achieve 80% accuracy on orders.

There is no way that some of the current generations workforce are worth the pay they THINK they need to get in order to actually get them to work.

The shop cleaner wants same money as machine operator.
The machine operator wants same money as floor manager.
The floor manager wants same money as operations manager.

Cycle continues because everyone is the same due to participation trophies and sports/academic associations are not allowed to "cut" someone off the team.

We have "cycled" out an entire generation of factory workforce and opened Pandora's box to an entitled workforce.

Sadly I think there is only 1 way to reverse the situation and I do not want it but it may be the only way......WWIII

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[AngryKoala]

Hi,

I understand that concept but it is not that simplistic.

IF it were there would not be 100K a year jobs available on USA.Gov.

Also there is a big disconnect between what "Right money for Americans to actually do the job" and "What job is worth".

There is no way that a fast food worker is worth $20 per hour...they cannot even achieve 80% accuracy on orders.

There is no way that some of the current generations workforce are worth the pay they THINK they need to get in order to actually get them to work.

The shop cleaner wants same money as machine operator.
The machine operator wants same money as floor manager.
The floor manager wants same money as operations manager.

Cycle continues because everyone is the same due to participation trophies and sports/academic associations are not allowed to "cut" someone off the team.

We have "cycled" out an entire generation of factory workforce and opened Pandora's box to an entitled workforce.

Sincerely,
Theis

Infuse immigrants whom have not had the opportunity to experience American comfort and we can have our manufacturing back. This is the path I see for those wanting to come to America.

 

[THEIS]

Infuse immigrants whom have not had the opportunity to experience American comfort and we can have our manufacturing back. This is the path I see for those wanting to come to America.

Hi,

That only works if you remove ALL the illegal immigrants first in order to correctly identify what infusion is needed.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[powdahound76]

@THEIS

Also, so so many of our young people are pushed and bought into the “I have yo go to college” idea.


My dad didnt go to college.
Retired at 60 comfortably.

Buddy I went to high school with bought into it. 4 yrs of college.
Works for his stepdad at his lawncare, landscaping, plowing, and storage business.
Fine work, woulda been better without any student debt and years wasted not earning.

I say this as I work on my stuff for grad school (doctorate level), and I have a clear path and major increase in earning potential.
Got to so I can get one of those MEH rifles some dude is building in LA.

 

[AngryKoala]

Hi,

That only works if you remove ALL the illegal immigrants first in order to correctly identify what infusion is needed.

Sincerely,
Theis

Could we not use some that are here willing to work and kick out the leaches?

 

[roostercogburn98]

The STEM push probably started out with good intentions, but it sure has backfired. Put shop and carpentry classes back in high schools. The gifted ones will find a niche and forget all about a traditional college degree. People need to reevaluate what they consider “honest” work and how if reflects a person. Just because someone is a plumber doesn’t mean they are uneducated. Trade and apprenticeship programs are usually long and hard for most trades people rely on everyday.

 

[powdahound76]

Thats like making some drug dealers pharmacy techs cause they know the business.

Gotta draw the line somewhere.

How else do you prove a point about breaking the law?

Wont ever happen no matter what.
So its no matter

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Note the uproar when a $25 an hour EMT, $54K plus OT a year, says she has an online account to make ends meet. The libs want $15 an hour to make ends meet. They are already pushing for $25 plus an hour as the next step. The average lib wants a cheap global economy, free school, and universal income because not every waitress with international relations and economics degrees can quit their job and be elected to Congress.

 

[AngryKoala]

The STEM push probably started out with good intentions, but it sure has backfired. Put shop and carpentry classes back in high schools. The gifted ones will find a niche and forget all about a traditional college degree. People need to reevaluate what they consider “honest” work and how if reflects a person. Just because someone is a plumber doesn’t mean they are uneducated. Trade and apprenticeship programs are usually long and hard for most trades people rely on everyday.

There is nothing wrong with STEM and we need the gifted in STEM as that is what pushes our boundaries of technology forward.

 

[roostercogburn98]

@AngryKoala
Never said it was wrong. I said it is being misdirected. When states base funding and assistance based off how well these “paths” are doing, that creates the problem. Schools start focusing on what they can do to get the most money to have better things. In the focus, sight is lost on things this country truly needs to survive. Not every student is going to be a scientist, doctor, whizkid engineer. Most good machinist are great engineers and mathematicians as well. Guess where they went to school if they did? Probably a local trade school or community college to get a 2 year degree. On the other side, not every student will be a machinist, plumber, or electrician. The trick we have yet to achieve in the American education system is BALANCE. We need it all to function and grow internally.

 

[10ring'r]

I think that Colleges/Universities, need to go and bring back Vocational schools. Learn a trade, not sit in some F'n cubical and scratch your crotch all day or, if you want to punch keyboards, do it at/on a machine and actually produce something. jmo. Mac

 

[lariat]

The answer that I have come to is automation. If labor cannot be found and you want to keep your business and grow it then you have to automate.

Like it or not, there has been a change in the American workforce and the workforce marketplace. If we don't adapt we wont get manufacturing back.

 

[AngryKoala]

@AngryKoala
Never said it was wrong. I said it is being misdirected. When states base funding and assistance based off how well these “paths” are doing, that creates the problem. Schools start focusing on what they can do to get the most money to have better things. In the focus, sight is lost on things this country truly needs to survive. Not every student is going to be a scientist, doctor, whizkid engineer. Most good machinist are great engineers and mathematicians as well. Guess where they went to school if they did? Probably a local trade school or community college to get a 2 year degree. On the other side, not every student will be a machinist, plumber, or electrician. The trick we have yet to achieve in the American education system is BALANCE. We need it all to function and grow internally.

I agree, but it is not only the school but the parents that indoctrinate their kids. They make them believe college is the only path to success.

 

[AngryKoala]

I think that Colleges/Universities, need to go and bring back Vocational schools. Learn a trade, not sit in some F'n cubical and scratch your crotch all day or, if you want to punch keyboards, do it at/on a machine and actually produce something. jmo. Mac

Those already exist.

 

[Mister Ridge]

What is the minimum income needed to support an individual on a 40-50 hr work week without major sacrifice to quality of life?

 

[AngryKoala]

What is the minimum income needed to support an individual on a 40-50 hr work week without major sacrifice to quality of life?

Quality of life is subjective. The metric that use to be applied to that question has shifted which is why two individuals are required to support what society deems as a "quality" of life.

 

[Mister Ridge]

Quality of life is subjective. The metric that use to be applied to that question has shifted which is why two individuals are required to support what society deems as a "quality" of life.

I'm aware of that. I included that because I often see discussions about income and quality of life turn to one side continually whittling down "requirements" until the lower income Americans basically exist as worker drones living 20 years in the past. No luxuries and nothing bought new.

 

[AngryKoala]

I'm aware of that. I included that because I often see discussions about income and quality of life turn to one side continually whittling down "requirements" until the lower income Americans basically exist as worker drones living 20 years in the past. No luxuries and nothing bought new.

We also have to say "American" quality of life because even our low income class live far better than the low income in other countries. I think we truly undervalue access to clean water (minus flint), food and shelter.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Prop 65 has to be the biggest scam of all time brought to you by the Communist china to poison Americans and their insatiable appetite for cheap goods.

Its ok to sell you something that gives you cancer and can make you sick as long as I put this warning label on it.

 

[pmclaine]

Its an indicator that buying "Made in USA" works.

They are trying to trick people to recapture lost sales.

Im not a purest with this shit.

Im guilty of buying an S&B scope.

If some country has a talent for building the best I will go there.

but

Its based on industry quality and features not price.

China does not have the market on any consumer good I can think of other than making copies cheaper.

Made in USA first, than look at features performance desired.

Buy made in USA if I get quality and value.

if not....

buy from country where I get performance and value.

China never gets chosen based on that decision process.

 

[Davesnothere]

Throw your iPhone in the trash.
I have an Athlon Midas.
I have an iPhone.
Good luck.

 

[Blutroop]

Wait, does that mean I have to buy a shitty Kalashkinov USA AK instead of the Arsenal I bought because muh made in America?

Sell it to a American then buy it back.. if a friend too then he might not price gouge you to bad..

 

[Blutroop]

Oh and buy used. The best American made stuff comes from when America actually was still ... America

 

[AngryKoala]

Sell it to a American then buy it back.. if a friend too then he might not price gouge you to bad..

Key word is too bad. Aks are hitting LMT money now.

 

[Blutroop]

Key word is too bad. Aks are hitting LMT money now.

Yup, I started with Ak’s before mil as I couldn’t afford ar then. It was interesting to see that flip in my lifetime. Had a side folding polytech legend I bought for 400 from under a chicken coup in the late 90’s. Thought I was doing great to sell it for 1000 after sandy hook. Looked at them recently..... oh my gosh! Over 3000! I was a poor then as now so..

 

[Im2bent]

Yes, that's exactly what we mean.

PM me for shipping information so we can properly dispose of your contraband. The same offer also applies to a number of other shitty imported firearms, a wide variety of foreign tobacco and alcohol products, and a select number of German and Japanese vehicles.

You forgot those Cohibas from filthy commie Cuba. They have to be burned for proper disposal.
AS far as prop 65 LOL. They put that on everything not so they can sell you stuff that causes cancer but because the libby libs actually think everything causes cancer. I suppose if you ate your keyboard it might even do it....
As far as a living wage depends on where you live . In the midwest you can get by on 20 an hour in Socal where a 1 bedroom apartment in a shitty neighborhood is 2000 a month not so much.
Edit oops glossed over the foreign tobacco my apologies.

 

[AngryKoala]

Yup, I started with Ak’s before mil as I couldn’t afford ar then. It was interesting to see that flip in my lifetime. Had a side folding polytech legend I bought for 400 from under a chicken coup in the late 90’s. Thought I was doing great to sell it for 1000 after sandy hook. Looked at them recently..... oh my gosh! Over 3000! I was a poor then as now so..

Even the Wasrs are commanding a grand or more. That Arsenal cost me $1800 lol. Bakelite mags more expensive than KAC mags. Selling a polytech for 3k isn't even hard on gunbroker.

It will be interesting to see if other imports become as valuable and to see what othe import bans occur.

 

[Blutroop]

Even the Wasrs are commanding a grand or more. That Arsenal cost me $1800 lol. Bakelite mags more expensive than KAC mags. Selling a polytech for 3k isn't even hard on gunbroker.

It will be interesting to see if other imports become as valuable and to see what othe import bans occur.

You know, there are Russian villages up here we’re you just don’t go unless you speak Russian. Someone that is fluent thanks to mil service should come up here with a little cash. I’ve personally seen crates and only 2 years ago paid 200 for a Russian # matching sks. I know there’s awesome stuff there, I just don’t know if they intended to help we the people or land grab when the turmoil starts.

 

[pmclaine]

Throw your iPhone in the trash.
I have an Athlon Midas.
I have an iPhone.
Good luck.

Doubt its made in USA but does everything a phone must do......

 

[Herb Stoner]

Note the uproar when a $25 an hour EMT, $54K plus OT a year, says she has an online account to make ends meet. The libs want $15 an hour to make ends meet. They are already pushing for $25 plus an hour as the next step. The average lib wants a cheap global economy, free school, and universal income because not every waitress with international relations and economics degrees can quit their job and be elected to Congress.

The issue is when the minimum wage worker (who wants higher wages, more / better American jobs, etc.) gets paid they run to wally world and drop their pay on a bunch of cheap imported crap rather than pay more for quality US made goods. The dollars put into minimum wage increases are mostly exported by way the the average American worker. With the higher wages the fast food worker may get paid more in the interest of "living wages" but the higher wages lead to higher costs and the $2 garbage sandwhich from the fast food joint is now $3 or $4 so the $15 an hour or whatever is no longer a "living wage". So the cycle continues and kills entry level opportunities for young people looking to learn a trade, etc. This stuff gets us nowhere unless Americans make more choices to buy American even if it means buying less "stuff". We love "stuff" here in the US!!

Been in a wally world exactly once in the last 20+ years and I eat very, very little fast food - it is all junk.

 

[pmclaine]

Oh and buy used. The best American made stuff comes from when America actually was still ... America

EBay - Camp gear, tools, old school Made in USA.

 

[pmclaine]

The issue is when the minimum wage worker (who wants higher wages, more / better American jobs, etc.) gets paid they run to wally world and drop their pay on a bunch of cheap imported crap rather than pay more for quality US made goods. The dollars put into minimum wage increases are mostly exported by way the the average American worker. With the higher wages the fast food worker may get paid more in the interest of "living wages" but the higher wages lead to higher costs and the $2 garbage sandwhich from the fast food joint is now $3 or $4 so the $15 an hour or whatever is no longer a "living wage". So the cycle continues and kills entry level opportunities for young people looking to learn a trade, etc. This stuff gets us nowhere unless Americans make more choices to buy American even if it means buying less "stuff". We love "stuff" here in the US!!

Been in a wally world exactly once in the last 20+ years and I eat very, very little fast food - it is all junk.

Minimum wage is meant to be paid to transient workers in jobs never intended to be careers.

In my youth these jobs were for the 15.5 (age at which you got working papers until maybe college grad age, 22.

Kids filled all those jobs learning about work ethic, discipline, responsibility.

Add retirees to that group that looked to supplement their accounts.

Now all those jobs are filled with adults that think bagging groceries should be a career.

My 13 year old went out shoveling yesterday. He made about $140 for maybe 4 hrs work.

He would ask for $20 people would pay $30.

One lady only let him finish the walkway and paid him $40 for a $20 job because it was still cold and blowing out and she felt bad for him.......maybe he is just a sucky shoveler.

I think people are just shocked to see a kid doing some manual labor.

I told him to back to those houses today and just do a quick clean up.

If he does I bet they pay him triple next storm.

If you are getting minimum wage its because you are worth less or worthless.

 

[AngryKoala]

Minimum wage is meant to be paid to transient workers in jobs never intended to be careers.

In my youth these jobs were for the 15.5 (age at which you got working papers until maybe college grad age, 22.

Kids filled all those jobs learning about work ethic, discipline, responsibility.

Add retirees to that group that looked to supplement their accounts.

Now all those jobs are filled with adults that think bagging groceries should be a career.

My 13 year old went out shoveling yesterday. He made about $140 for maybe 4 hrs work.

He would ask for $20 people would pay $30.

One lady only let him finish the walkway and paid him $40 for a $20 job because it was still cold and blowing out and she felt bad for him.......maybe he is just a sucky shoveler.

I think people are just shocked to see a kid doing some manual labor.

I told him to back to those houses today and just do a quick clean up.

If he does I bet they pay him triple next storm.

If you are getting minimum wage its because you are worth less or worthless.

Holy shit, $140 shoveling would have taken me a few days at least back when I was that young.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Quality of life is subjective. The metric that use to be applied to that question has shifted which is why two individuals are required to support what society deems as a "quality" of life.

Goes back to Women's Lib, two income families, and latch key kids. What was viewed as "extra" income was off set by more spending and higher prices. Now both incomes are used as a household standard.