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Cali Bolt gun owners, they are coming after YOU!

diego-ted

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I am sorry for posting this here, but this is so important, we need to get the word out. And for you non Cali readers, if this passes here, they will come after you too! All shooters should call and eamail as a united front!!

Diego

For Immediate Release: August 7, 2012

SENATOR YEE AMENDS SB 249 INTO A MASSIVE, UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUN BAN

CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL KAMALA HARRIS ENDORSES SB 249 REQUIREMENT TO USE DETACHABLE MAGAZINE FIREARMS

Reference: SB 249 Fact Sheet at http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uplo...act_sheet1.pdf

SAN CARLOS, CA, AND MADERA, CA – In an egregious and deliberate move to ban hundreds of thousands of legal firearms and harm law-abiding California gun owners, California Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) has amended his bill SB 249 to make possession of all Bullet Button, or “maglocked”, firearms a criminal act as of July 1, 2013. Sen. Yee’s chief-of-staff, Adam Keigwin, has said that California should ban all guns, even bolt-action hunting rifles.

Joining Senator Yee in his effort to take away hundreds of millions of dollars of currently-legal guns are co-authors Senate President pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento), Senator Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), Senator Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley), Senator Ted Lieu (D-Torrence), Assemblyman Anthony Portantino (D-La Cañada Flintridge), and Assemblyman Mike Feuer (D-Los Angeles).

Explaining his support for the gun ban, Senator Steinberg told the Sacramento Bee that “no one will convince me it's anything other than a joke to say that having multiple clips and semi-automatic weapons that can shoot 100 or more bullets at a time is necessary in this state or in this country. It’s ridiculous."

Also on record as supporting SB 249, the Los Angeles Times reports Attorney General Kamala Harris as saying, “I applaud the Legislature's interest in addressing this problem and support efforts to pass legislation needed to" [ban Bullet Button firearms].

SB 249, if it were to become law, would categorically ban all “maglocked” semi-automatic firearms that are in common use, such as those which use the Bullet Button device. SB 249 does not provide for any grandfathering of existing firearms nor does it have a method of compensating gun owners for the firearms the proposed law would require to be destroyed or removed from California. The net effect would be what is perhaps the single largest unconstitutional government taking in California history.

More, SB 249 would subject gun owners to criminal liability as of July 1, 2013, for the mere possession of firearms that Senator Yee and Attorney General Harris have both said are legal under current law. Ex post facto laws, such as SB 249 would create if passed, are expressly unconstitutional.

Interestingly, however, SB 249 would create a de facto requirement that gun owners , hunters, and competitors in California use only “featureless” firearms, such as AR and AK-style guns employing compliance parts like the Solar Tactical KYDEX Grip Wraps, MonsterMan Grips, or Exile Machine’s Hammerhead Grip, which not only allow for the lawful use of factory magazine releases but large-capacity magazines as well. California does not ban the possession of large-capacity magazines. Wes Morris, owner of Ten Percent Firearms, demonstrates this is an excellent YouTube video you can view at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhC8LpHPbRQ.

Senator Yee’s bill is currently before the Assembly Appropriations Committee and is expected to be heard on August 15, though it could be heard as soon as August 8. The bill must pass both the Assembly and the Senate by August 31.

The Calguns Foundation and Cal-FFL, through their pathbreaking grassroots initiative platform StopSB249.org, have created many free, easy-to-use tools for you to help combat this massive gun ban. Please forward this message to your friends, family, favorite gun dealers and manufacturers, and your social networks, like Facebook and Twitter. Working together, we can Stop SB 249 - but we need you to TAKE ACTION NOW!

The SB 249 Fact Sheet is available for download at http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uplo...act_sheet1.pdf.

Donate to The Calguns Foundation and help Stop SB 249.

Stop SB 249's Take Action page with many free tools to fight SB 249 can be found at http://stopsb249.org/take-action.

Website banners with html code are avalable at http://stopsb249.org/get-banners-for-your-website.

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The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization which serves its members by providing Second Amendment-related education, strategic litigation, and the defense of innocent California gun owners from improper or malicious prosecution. The Calguns Foundation seeks to inform government and protect the rights of individuals to acquire, own, and lawfully use firearms in California.

California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees (www.calffl.org) is California's premier non-profit industry association of, by, and for firearms manufacturers, dealers, collectors, training professionals, shooting ranges, and others, advancing the interests of its members and the general public through strategic litigation, legislative efforts, and education. For more information or to join Cal-FFL, please visit calffl.org.
 
Re: Cali Bolt gun owners, they are coming after YOU!

This shit is posted all over calguns. I give up on CA. There noone that will stand up for gun rights here now. The people are NOT organized. Have a forum and having support behind it is NOT organized pro gun movement. They ONLY way to change this is to VOTE the people out of office and challenge the current laws. Also the current shootings did NOT help the cause.....

And another problem is noone gives a fuck about CA. I hate to say it but sooner or later they will come for ALL the states. Its NOT just CA thats gona have restrictive gun laws. I would say in my lifetime, theres a AW ban and a AW gun grab.
 
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All that is true, but individuls have to stand up and be accounted for!! Otherwise they will roll over and quash us. We need to get pissed off and get off our lazy butts and do something, anything even if it's just a call or an e-mail through the provided links. They will attempt to get this passed, belive it!!

Diego
 
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get ready to get good with a shotgun my friends, i'm goin to practice up on my compound bow skills and bow staff cuz there are not enough guns in our fight (as the expression goes). Rational arguments don't work, and the ignorance is growing in the general public fueled my a biased media. I'm goin to paint my face like braveheart and carry a scottish claymore, bring it on bitches "FREEDOM!!!!!"
 
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I can tell you NOONE on calguns is going to stand up for shit. I got banned for say this. They are all cowards over there. The current ideas of them are well its too bad this happens but we stil cant do anything because its the government. There needs to be leadership from the PROGUN movenment. NRA or CAPRA (or whatever its called, needs to be WAYYYYYYYYYY more hands on. People dont care enough right now, they will jsut say I sold my guns or they were stolen. Whats the use of even owning them then..... Its a tough sell to people to support this and take this to public knowledge. I always try to teach people about guns and take them shooting...... People in the 18-30 age range are the future and right now ALOT are anti gun.
 
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Saying that it's unnecessary is what really pisses me off. Alcohol and tobacco aren't necessary, and we haven't gotten rid of either. How many people die from DUI each year, and how many from gunshots? It's called freedom, assholes.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">get ready to get good with a shotgun my friends, i'm goin to practice up on my compound bow skills and bow staff cuz there are not enough guns in our fight (as the expression goes). Rational arguments don't work, and the ignorance is growing in the general public fueled my a biased media. I'm goin to paint my face like braveheart and carry a scottish claymore, bring it on bitches "FREEDOM!!!!!" </div></div>

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no i am not... sorty and do what i can man. but trying to reason with people like that is insane. they are so set in their ignorance its mind blowing. I take anyone who asks shooting, i also try to help with the next generation but they are so set on being technology nerds and sit on their couch it is very disheartening. There are not enough motivated people to fight this stuff especially not in california. Banning drugs works so well for stopping them from being in this country doesn't it. Guns are here to stay no matter how many times the government stomps their feet and throws a tantrum. Sadly the only ones it will effect are the ones who are law abiding
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saying that it's unnecessary is what really pisses me off. Alcohol and tobacco aren't necessary, and we haven't gotten rid of either. How many people die from DUI each year, and how many from gunshots? It's called freedom, assholes. </div></div>

Were I live there are ALOT of accident from DUI's..... When I was in canada, they asked why we have so much crime. I explained..... In Canada there are LESS people in the whole damm country then in CA. Most of the people live on the US Canadian Border in 3 major cities. Everybody is spread out otherwise. And in ur MAJOR cities you have high crime too. Its not fair to tell us that we have a HUGE crime rate compaired to other countrys. We have so many people living in such tight areas (LA, San Fan, New York, Miami, exc) that these places are PRONE to have high crime rates. Even if its guns violence, or other. On top of that I have been told (atleast by be in fresno) MOST of the gun violence is from ILLEGAL or stolen firearms.

NOW my big question is this.... Why is America itself persecuting law abiding citizens instead of going after the law breakers and people who ILLEGALLY obtain firearms and use them in crimes? Also people who commit crime in general.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There are not enough motivated people to fight this stuff especially not in california. </div></div>

My friend, you hit that RIGHT ON THE HEAD. Theres many reasons why.......

#1 I think is, NOONE wants to become a "outlaw" Most people who own guns are family people and wont ever break a single law on purpose. The thought of handing over ur gun or making sure your family had a good house, food and stuff for survival is the MOST important thing TO ANYONE. Its a EASY choice.
 
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As a California resident, I am sick and tired of this. If this bill passes, which every passing day it looks more likely, then that will seal the deal for me. As soon as I'm done with school in a year I am getting out of this hopeless state.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As a California resident, I am sick and tired of this. If this bill passes, which every passing day it looks more likely, then that will seal the deal for me. As soon as I'm done with school in a year I am getting out of this hopeless state. </div></div>
Im on that band wagon too. Dr's in hand im GONE.
 
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I have no where to move, all my family and home is here, we need to stop complaining and start fighting this the best we can!!

Diego
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diego-ted</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no where to move, all my family and home is here, we need to stop complaining and start fighting this the best we can!!

Diego </div></div>

Have you seen how unorganized our fight is? Go to Calguns and see just how much of a clusterfuck it is over there about this, no proper action is being taken. Hell, they can't even get 10,000 signatures for their petition, which has been going on for months now.
 
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Sent an email to the members of the assembly appropriation committee, reminding them that the gun owners of this state have the same rights as the rest of the citizens of this country and we will not stand for being treated like second class citizens, and eventually will have no choice but to move our families and business to a place where we feel represented. Everyone should be alarmed at this regardless of where they live, Dianne Feinstein is itching to pass another federal assault weapons bill and if the President is re elected there would be no resistance to it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Have you seen how unorganized our fight is? Go to Calguns and see just how much of a clusterfuck it is over there about this, no proper action is being taken. Hell, they can't even get 10,000 signatures for their petition, which has been going on for months now. </div></div>

Thats what im saying....... All that sight is for is the forsale section. Its become about selling guns for profit period. I think they should charge for membership there and have some kind of organization.
 
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I'm afraid it's way too late for California, now that they got their switch in primaries to that stupid system where everybody from every party is in the same primary & the 2 top canidates run against each other, it is pretty much guaranteed to devolve into a government filled solely with the most crazed liberal democrats.

The harder you work if you are living in CA, the more you are helping those that hate you.

My suggestion is to read Atlas Shrugged.

There is a good chance of slowing the crazy train down, but until CA totally crashes all the way down to 3rd world level there is no real hope of changing it around.

You simply can't outvote millions of illegals and others that are there solely to live on the government taxing your hard work and giving it to them for free.
 
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No worries guys!

Surely the NRA will get their lawyers on the case and get our constitutional rights back and stop CA from taking more from us.

I'm a member. Not sure why?
Oh yeah, the rifle range requires it.
 
Re: Cali Bolt gun owners, they are coming after YOU!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm afraid it's way too late for California, now that they got their switch in primaries to that stupid system where everybody from every party is in the same primary & the 2 top canidates run against each other, it is pretty much guaranteed to devolve into a government filled solely with the most crazed liberal democrats.

The harder you work if you are living in CA, the more you are helping those that hate you.

My suggestion is to read Atlas Shrugged.

There is a good chance of slowing the crazy train down, but until CA totally crashes all the way down to 3rd world level there is no real hope of changing it around.

You simply can't outvote millions of illegals and others that are there solely to live on the government taxing your hard work and giving it to them for free. </div></div>

Typical........
 
Re: Cali Bolt gun owners, they are coming after YOU!

There's a reason I left CA long ago....It isn't called the LEFT Coast for no reason...
 
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I'm from Oregon and even though there is little hope for CA, I'll help out. Submitted.
 
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My entire family signed it, but I still have little hope of its effectiveness...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ShOoTiN2KiLl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Real change require blood shed... </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">get ready to get good with a shotgun my friends, i'm goin to practice up on my compound bow skills and bow staff cuz there are not enough guns in our fight (as the expression goes). Rational arguments don't work, and the ignorance is growing in the general public fueled my a biased media. I'm goin to paint my face like braveheart and carry a scottish claymore, bring it on bitches "FREEDOM!!!!!" </div></div>

hope you have a single shot, shotgun....
firing pin with a serial number microstamp....
& numbered/registered ammunition....
 
Re: Cali Bolt gun owners, they are coming after YOU!

How'd that state get so f-ed up.
 
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California has gone to the sh#$s...

Countless millions of doll-hairs will be lost from tax revenue from banning such firearms...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DubGunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How'd that state get so f-ed up. </div></div>

Los Angeles and the San Francisco bay area politicians run the whole state. The land of fruits and nuts.
If it were not for my business and family I would have been gone years ago, and not just for the gun problems either. We are so screwed up in so many ways it is sickening..........
 
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All you say is true;however, we need to take action on the immidiate problem at hand. One letter is not enough call, call and call, let them know there will be a price to be paid for the stupidity!! If it passes and you did little to protest then you have NO right to complain. That's just the way it is in the world we live in.

Diego
 
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Bump for the weekend crowd, there has been a surge in signatures lately. Come on guys GET UR DONE!!

Diego
 
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Maybe those of us from other states should write our representatives and ask them to draft a bill that gives ownership of California to Mexico. Might as well make it official and all.

I'm not sure if it would cure the infection, but it might slow it down a little.
 
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Too late for that............
 
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How does this affect bolt rifles again?
 
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Its not just cali, they proposing an assualt rifle ban in the great socialist state of illinois right now!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does this affect bolt rifles again? </div></div>

I believe it has to do with detachable magazines of any type.
 
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Wrong, it only applies to semi-autos. In CA there are almost no restrictions on bolt guns. You can have a detachable mag, 16" barrel with threaded muzzle, as long as it's OAL is 26+ inches and not chambered in .50BMG.

As much as I hate the situation with SB249, the OP makes it sound like it will affect bolt action rifles as well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does this affect bolt rifles again? </div></div>

I believe OP was referring to this line in the first paragraph:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Sen. Yee’s chief-of-staff, Adam Keigwin, has said that California should ban all guns, even bolt-action hunting rifles.</div></div>
 
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They will never stop trying too ban all firearms........Kalifornia is run by ultra liberal socialists in both the fiscal and otherwise. Look at all the counties and cities going bankrupt here, the state is next.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong, it only applies to semi-autos. In CA there are almost no restrictions on bolt guns. You can have a detachable mag, 16" barrel with threaded muzzle, as long as it's OAL is 26+ inches and not chambered in .50BMG.

As much as I hate the situation with SB249, the OP makes it sound like it will affect bolt action rifles as well. </div></div>

Sounds good, Just sit on ur ass and dont make an effort to call or write. Then when they decided to take away all rifles, what will you do then? Ohh gosh? Get with the program, their isnt paper hat brigades or tin foil hats anymore.......
 
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Oh give me a break. I was just trying to point out that this bill is targeted at semi-autos, NOT bolt guns, as the title in the OP says. I guess spreading FUD is only a tactic of the anti-gunners?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh give me a break. I was just trying to point out that this bill is targeted at semi-autos, NOT bolt guns, as the title in the OP says. I guess spreading FUD is only a tactic of the anti-gunners? </div></div>

SB249 is targeting semi-autos, but the OP's title is still perfectly relevant. They are coming after our bolt guns, as evident by the line I quoted. It's not FUD, and is entirely relevant, because, given the chance, they will come after all of our guns. It's necessary to stop them here and now, because the more we give up, the closer they get to their goal.
 
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Do you know how to eat an elephant??? One bite at a time until it is gone..........
That is exactly where we are in this day and age dealing with the anti-gunners. They will not be satisfied until they are ALL banned
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SB249 is targeting semi-autos, but the OP's title is still perfectly relevant. They are coming after our bolt guns, as evident by the line I quoted. It's not FUD, and is entirely relevant, because, given the chance, they will come after all of our guns. It's necessary to stop them here and now, because the more we give up, the closer they get to their goal.</div></div>

In other words, nothing has changed then. We already know this and that's why we're involved in the fight against these laws. We donate to the NRA, Calguns Fund, etc, write our representatives, sign petitions. Again, nothing new. So I disagree, the way the OP makes it sound like there's a law specifically targeting bolt guns.
 
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Senator was quoted as saying this "Sen. Yee’s chief-of-staff, Adam Keigwin, has said that California should ban all guns, even bolt-action hunting rifles." I take it as an attack on bolt guns no if and or but about it.

So Dogtown, do you have an in we are not aware of, you seem to be very complacent about this?? I say, any restriction on our weapons should be greated with fierce oppisition!

Diego
 
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i thought cali had that mag lock law along time ago. i have a cousin living there and he has had to have his rifle equipped in that manner for a while.
 
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I'm a new SH member, a CalGunner, NRA supporter, tatical firearms Instructor and this impacts all of us. Other states could follow.... I have sent my letters, posted on Facebook, sent to all of my contacts and that is all we can do until our elected officials are out in November. As one said, it is to late, I hope not because I'm not moving again. Everyone out there, tell your friends in CA to vote this down, b/c it could be something you need help with very soon.