Re: Cali Legal R-700 XCR 308?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LongRangeDDS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only whacky CA law directly applied to a centerfire bolt rifle is the 10-round magazine limit. You cannot posses a silencer.
Concerning "subsonic" rifles (there is no PC definition what this is, therefore it doesn't exist)... It is clearly not a device or attachment.
12500. The term "silencer" as used in this chapter means any device or attachment of any kind designed, used, or intended for use in silencing, diminishing, or muffling the report of a firearm. The term "silencer" also includes any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling a silencer or fabricating a silencer and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
12520. Any person, firm, or corporation who within this state
possesses a silencer is guilty of a felony and upon conviction
thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison or by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000) or by both.
12501. Section 12520 shall not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(a) The sale to, purchase by, or possession of silencers by
agencies listed in Section 830.1, or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties.
(b) The possession of silencers by regular, salaried, full-time peace officers who are employed by an agency listed in Section 830.1, or by the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States when on duty and when the use of silencers is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
(c) The manufacture, possession, transportation, or sale or other transfer of silencers to an entity described in subdivision (a) by dealers or manufacturers registered under Chapter 53 (commencing with Section 5801) of Title 26 of the United States Code, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
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The point that a rifle is subsonic has nothing to do with the law. there is no law stating you cant have a brake on a subsonic cartridge chambered rifle however a brake is a "device or attachment of any kind designed" and on a subsonic cartridge rifle that Does exist, will effect the report of a rifle. If the rifle were to be tested and there is no crack of the bullet going downrange it could be considered a silencer. Someone is not going to pick on a specific rifle because it is a subsonic caliber, most non gun people don't know which rounds are subsonic but if it came down to it a brake or flash hider is still a device on the end of a barrel. If the rifles round travels slower than the speed of sound it will be quieter than another rifle right next to it that the projectile goes faster than the speed of sound. now what if for this testing reason only the rifle with the subsonic round had a brake on it, less gun intelligent people will automatically assume its a silencer. Thats all I'm stating. This was not intended to be an argument, simply a warning to anybody, that for some reason, has a brake or flash hider on a rifle with a projectiles that are subsonic. As for the definition, when I said subsonic rifle I was referring to the bullets velocity not the rifles velocity. I'm not saying its illegal to have a muzzle device on a rifle with a subsonic round, I know nothing about law, I'm just passing the word from one gun owner to the next that it could be considered a "silencer." I doubt it would ever really be an issue but there is always a chance. And who here really has a brake or hider on a subsonic round rifle anyways? especially in a state where a suppressor is illegal. Not many if any at all. If you don't like this suggestion of not having a brake on a subsonic cartridge chambered rifle then don't listen just move on. Don't try to prove me wrong because I don't really care. Again it was just a warning to me and all I'm doing is passing it on to other gun owners to keep in the back of their mind. take it or leave it.
Thanks,
Vic
