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caliber for 1000yds but under 30 cal.

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I am getting a rem700 la currently chambered in 30-06. Am going to put a new barrel on it, with a mcree precision stock. I am looking at caliber choices for under a 30cal. Anything you guys would recomend, would like it to be something that can go out to or past 1000 yds. My initial thoughts had been a 260rem but now not sure.

What I am asking, is what chambering?
Barrel length and diameter?
Anything else you guys can think of?

The one thing I dont want though is for it to be a big barrel burner.
 
Re: caliber for 1000yds but under 30 cal.

With your LA action you might want to look at the 6.5-284 or the 7mm-.284, both are excellent at 1000y.

SMaller caliber means more of a barrel-burner. Taking the same case size as the 30-06, I don't think you have any caliber with better ballistics that will also last as long.
 
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The .284 win with a 28" varmint/sendero (.85-.9 at muzzle) contour would be good choice if you want to keep the same boltface. You have to handload though.
The 280AI would also be interesting to shoot.
I would shoot the 162amax which I have had great success with my 7WSM.
Check out this link:
http://www.6mmbr.com/7mm284.html#284win
 
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on the 6.5-284, how long will I get out of the brass and the barrel? It was one of my thoughts.
 
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Depending on your load and your belief... 1500-2500.
 
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7mm anything will do just fine. .284/7WSM/7SAUM
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7mm anything will do just fine. .284/7WSM/7SAUM </div></div>

I have a 300wsm that when the barrel is shot out, I am going to put a 7wsm on it.
 
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Another vote for 7 WSM...
 
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7wsm is an EXCELLENT cartridge but, why not look at doing a 243 28 or 30" 7.75 twist barrel shooting the 105's or 115's. Go with a muzzle diameter between .750 & .950" You'll use less powerder and have less recoil. It'll get you where you want to go, brass is cheap and everyone makes it.

I know, its a long action but so what.
 
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I agree with goin'hot. 243, 1 in 7.5 twist. 26 inch barrel minimum. I have one. Shoot out to 1000 yards with it on a regular basis. Like it a lot.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: freerunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with goin'hot. 243, 1 in 7.5 twist. 26 inch barrel minimum. I have one. Shoot out to 1000 yards with it on a regular basis. Like it a lot. </div></div>

Agree. I have a 243 also and it loves the 105 grains. BUT, the 7WMS, 7mmRM will make louder "bangs" I suppose....
 
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I just got a R700 trued and chambered for .243. Bartlein 1/7.5 26",I hope to get a range report soon. Lapua Brass, Fed 210M,VV-N-165, 115 DTAC Boron Nitride coated.
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what about chambering for the 6.5x47 lapua? I am fairly new to long range shooting but from the research ive done the 6.5x47 is said to be fairly accurate. Please feel free to correct me on this.
 
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I am gonna do the 7wsm, just in time. For right now, I was thinking something 6.5. The 6.5x47 lapua sounds good, just havent done much research on it.

If I go and get a barrle with 1.25muzzle or a .9, other than weight what would be the benifits/minus.

Thanks for the help so far, gonna be a lot of reading!
 
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A larger diameter will be stiffer and allow more shot before heat becomes an issue. The added weight will also soak up recoil but, that won't be an issue with the smaller cartridges.
 
Re: caliber for 1000yds but under 30 cal.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am getting a rem700 la currently chambered in 30-06. Am going to put a new barrel on it, with a mcree precision stock. I am looking at caliber choices for under a 30cal. Anything you guys would recomend, would like it to be something that can go out to or past 1000 yds. My initial thoughts had been a 260rem but now not sure.

What I am asking, is what chambering?
Barrel length and diameter?
Anything else you guys can think of?

The one thing I dont want though is for it to be a big barrel burner. </div></div>

284 Win,27"-9 twist,tubb contour Schneider barrel,throated for 180's at just above the neck shoulder junction.Use slower powders and medium loads for optimium barrel life.You might get up to 3000 rounds if your lucky.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7wsm is an EXCELLENT cartridge but, why not look at doing a 243 28 or 30" 7.75 twist barrel shooting the 105's or 115's. Go with a muzzle diameter between .750 & .950" You'll use less powerder and have less recoil. It'll get you where you want to go, brass is cheap and everyone makes it.

I know, its a long action but so what. </div></div>

I'd do something similar, except run the 6mm Super LR for a fast 6mm. Same case as 243, but an improved neck length and shoulder angle for better throat life adn accuracy.

The 280 Rem is a great 7mm round that will use common brass and bolt face with your current 30-06. Also, if you're not set on getting rid of that 30-06 just yet, you might try loading it heavy and stuffing some 208's down it to see how it does. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Some of the other things you might try are a 6.5mm-06 and a straight 284 throated for 162 Amax (gives the option for 168 and 180 Bergers as well, and the 180 JLK's)

The 6.5-06 will outrun a 6.5-284 and if you're not shooting it fast, you can have the same barrel life (if not slightly better) than the 6.5-284

Another option for a very capable 6.5mm round that has a good balance between performance and barrel life is the 6.5x55 Swede, not anything to sneeze at in it's own right.

Another's the 7mm Mauser for a medium bore 7mm that's easy on the shoulder and barrel, but still enough snot to throw the 162's a long way.

You have lots of options out there, in fact, the 6mm Rem is made from the 7mm Mauser and a 6mm Rem Ack Impr. will hammer the 115 class bullets out at incredibly high velocities. It's going to be a barrel burner akin to the 6.5-284 or 6.5-06, but for 115's or 117's running 3300 fps... there's always a trade off.
 
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Give the 6x47L a look, running the 6mm DTAC 115s around 3k fps or the 105 Berger VLDs above 3100 fps yeilds great accuracy beyond 1000 yards, flat trajectory and good wind deflection. All this with next to no recoil.....

The only drawback to the 6/6.5 cartridges will be shorter barrel life, although a fine custom barrel should still yeild 4-5k rounds (or more) before you see accuracy fade.

Kirk R
 
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I have to admit it! 6x47L is a great cartridge
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The big 30 cal comes out if I know I'm stretching past a 1000 yards though.There's not much a 240SMK moving along at 2925 fps won't accomplish.
 
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For a barrel burner, like the 7wsm, or 6.5x284 would getting the barrel treated with melonite be a good option?
 
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Not trying to be a S.A. or anything, but forget about barrels, they are part of shooting. In this area of shooting, it is all about performance. I am "very" attached to the 6.5x284. This round has everything a shooter has ever desired when it comes to Long Range shooting. 1,500 rounds is a lot of matches. Order the new barrel and keep shooting , alot of shooters are seeing around 2000 rouns if you arent scorching them. That being said, the 260 is a very close second. Can't go wrong IMO either way.
Wind
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Its not the cost of the barrel, its the fact of building up a new load for a new barrel. I do not enjoy sitting at a reloading bench, being very very meticulous, I like to know my measurements, charges, not have to weigh bullets, and just go to reloading. WHen I try new loads, I feel like I need to weigh bullets, do the .5 charges and blah blah, wanna spend my time shooting instead of reloading.
 
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For 1000 yards?

I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned 7mm-08

No need for a magnum for 1000 yard target shooting.
 
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I've got a very accurate 264 Win Mag and think it's a very underrated caliber. FActory loads suck (underloaded), but I use the Berger 140 VLDs iwth good distance.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For 1000 yards?

I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned 7mm-08

No need for a magnum for 1000 yard target shooting. </div></div>

I would like something that is capable to make hits out past 1000, but right now, I have nowhere to do that safely.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For 1000 yards?

I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned 7mm-08

No need for a magnum for 1000 yard target shooting. </div></div>

I would like something that is capable to make hits out past 1000, but right now, I have nowhere to do that safely. </div></div>

Well just be aware that you can't have low recoil, flat shooting, long supersonic range, small bore diameter, and long bore life all at the same time.

It's all a trade off. And if someone gave me a free 7mm-08 tube for my .308, I'd install it tomorrow.

Just a thought...
 
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the 260 Rem is all you need brother. Mine puts 123 grain scenars at 2870fps to a mile flyin straight. The low recoil and lack of upward muzzle flip helps keep you on sight picture

good luck,

MLMC
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flying Dutchman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With your LA action you might want to look at the 6.5-284 or the 7mm-.284, both are excellent at 1000y.

SMaller caliber means more of a barrel-burner. Taking the same case size as the 30-06, I don't think you have any caliber with better ballistics that will also last as long. </div></div>


...7mm-.284...a new wild cat...???...
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Re: caliber for 1000yds but under 30 cal.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flying Dutchman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With your LA action you might want to look at the 6.5-284 or the 7mm-.284, both are excellent at 1000y.

SMaller caliber means more of a barrel-burner. Taking the same case size as the 30-06, I don't think you have any caliber with better ballistics that will also last as long. </div></div>

+1 this says it all for me
 
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i have heard great things about 7x57. for being one of the oldest modern rifle cartridges, it can beat the snot out of some of ther factory magnum loads. i'm building a mauser at the moment from an old mexican action in this caliber. it has more case capacity than the 7-08 and with the right loads they are still haulin ass at 1000 yds. i'll be loading with 162gr a max's and 4350.
 
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Just got another 1000yd rifle back from my smith, 223AI 700sa with 30" Kreiger ss barrel 1/8 twist, pillar & skim bedded.. Just waiting on the Jewel trigger, Laupa brass and 90gr VLD's
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's all a trade off. And if someone gave me a free 7mm-08 tube for my .308, I'd install it tomorrow.

Just a thought... </div></div>

My silhouette 7-08 has been transitioned into a precision rifle role. Tomorrow it'll get tried out at 1000 F-Class. I've got high hopes for it, but if my older Douglas tube doesn't stabilize the 162 Amax's at 1K it will back in silhouette trim or on the chopping block to get into a 260.
 
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Why don't you want the 30-06? If the bbl is burned out then have it set back. It will save you the cost of a new bbl. That is unless the profile of the bbl is not what you want. All I am saying is that the 06 is a great cartridge and is fully capable of reaching the distance. I know that it is not thought to be a top caliber choice for most tactical rifles but It will deff get the job done. And like wind50cal said, forget about bbls, They are like tires on your car, they are meant to be replaced. If a benchrest guy says the bbl is shot out that doesnt mean its useless, it just is not at its peak. If your not shooting out to a grand yet it shouldnt matter. I hope you plan on shooting a bbl out, even a 6-284 will give you alot of good shoting.Not saying to go to that but It takes alot of shooting before it is no longer accurate. My choice is .260. Mine has 1400 rds through it and shows NO SIGN of giving out.I am going to put alot more down it fore I even think about replacing it. Whatever you go with SHOOT IT. It don't matter what caliber you have it you don't practice. I hope the best for you in whatever you choose.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not the cost of the barrel, its the fact of building up a new load for a new barrel. I do not enjoy sitting at a reloading bench, being very very meticulous, I like to know my measurements, charges, not have to weigh bullets, and just go to reloading. WHen I try new loads, I feel like I need to weigh bullets, do the .5 charges and blah blah, wanna spend my time shooting instead of reloading.</div></div>

Shooting at 10 meters or 1000 yards is the same, that's to say the marksmanship is the same; but, because sight alignment and recoil are angular concepts, increasing with distance, LR is more demanding, it will unmask errors not appreciated at SR. The point is that LR is all about perfection, which, in addition to being able to hold hard, will include taking the time to massage ammunition for the lowest ES and SD that can be mustered.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CWCruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depends on how efficiently you want to get there....7wsm all the way</div></div>

Shooting depends only on the bullet getting all the way to the target nose-on. Winning in LR competition at the highest levels requires, mostly, refined basic prone marksmanship skills. Of course, a low drag bullet, to minimize the consequence of wind effects not countered correctly, is helpful.
 
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Given a 0.473 bolt face LA to work with, 284 Win set up for 180 Bergers would be a solid choice.

280 AI (factory Nosler brass) would be another valid option.

260 or 7-08 set up optimized free bore to take advantage of longer OAL wouldn't be bad choice either.

284, 9 twist, chamber set up for 180 Bergers would be my first choice. Wouldn't be giving up much, if anything, to 7mm short mags and no added expense of adding Sako extractor.
 
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7mm-270wsm

or

7mm Jazz. (338L Norma brass, necked to 7mm)
180g @ 3200fps.


xdeano
 
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Just to reiterate my comments for a 30-06 with heavy bullets and support the comments made by another. This is the JBM prediction for my rifle with 208 Amax and RL22 @ 2875fps MV

I ran the prediction out to 1500y for laughs, I've shot it to 1400 a couple times. At 600, the prediction is dead nuts.


Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (MOA) (mil) (MOA) (mil) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (MOA) (mil)
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2744.1 2.492 3477.1 0.107 0.0 0.0
200 -1.3 -0.4 0.0 0.0 2616.2 2.376 3160.5 0.219 0.0 0.0
300 -3.3 -1.0 0.0 0.0 2491.5 2.262 2866.5 0.336 0.0 0.0
400 -5.6 -1.6 0.0 0.0 2370.2 2.152 2594.1 0.460 0.0 0.0
500 -8.2 -2.4 0.0 0.0 2252.3 2.045 2342.4 0.590 0.0 0.0
600 -11.1 -3.2 0.0 0.0 2137.9 1.941 2110.7 0.726 0.0 0.0
700 -14.1 -4.1 0.0 0.0 2027.1 1.841 1897.5 0.870 0.0 0.0
800 -17.4 -5.1 0.0 0.0 1919.5 1.743 1701.5 1.023 0.0 0.0
900 -21.0 -6.1 0.0 0.0 1814.8 1.648 1520.9 1.183 0.0 0.0
<span style="font-weight: bold">1000 -24.8 -7.2 0.0 0.0 1712.9 1.555 1354.8 1.353 0.0 0.0</span>
1100 -29.0 -8.4 0.0 0.0 1613.4 1.465 1202.1 1.534 0.0 0.0
1200 -33.6 -9.8 0.0 0.0 1516.6 1.377 1062.1 1.726 0.0 0.0
1300 -38.6 -11.2 0.0 0.0 1422.3 1.291 934.1 1.930 0.0 0.0
1400 -44.0 -12.8 0.0 0.0 1331.0 1.209 818.0 2.148 0.0 0.0
1500 -50.0 -14.5 0.0 0.0 1242.9 1.129 713.4 2.382 0.0 0.0
 
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I am biased but I have to agree that a .260 is all you need. I am very comfortably at 2800 fps, 47.5 4831SC, 8.5 twist 140VLD reamer, 26" barrel, very little recoil, longer barrel life than the hotter WSM's and 6.5-284,
 
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Here is my new toy to serve this purpose. 7mm BAT (7mm/300wsm) pushing the 180vld at 2925fps. Only 36 rounds down the tube so far but she is a shooter. The certification target from APA is .122 at 100 yards.

- Badger M2008 with Spiral fluted bolt
- AI 2.0 Folder FDE
- 26" Bartlein barrel
- APA Fat Bastard Brake
- Jewel Trigger
- All Metal finished in Matte Black


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Thanks,
Oneshot
 
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I have a 7-08 that I built for tactical competition. It's been out to 1K twice now with good results. 162 A Max at 2750 with RL17. It bucks the wind similar to a 260 but should have alot better barrel life. It stays supersonic to over 1300 yards.
 
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Thanks for all the replies. I would of just shot the 06 barrel but was getting just the action no barrel. Ended up getting a good deal on a 700 5r though. When I go to rebarrel it I think 260 is the route I will go. But will definitely consider all the advice given here.