Cant wait until govt controls health care....

[pmclaine]

@308pirate

Looks like there will have to be a new rate for ammunition carrier between decks.

Guessing this is more doom reporting than reality, probably working they just need some bureacrat to sign off on their elevator permit......but still get those elevators working.

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[MarinePMI]

LOL! That was an interesting article (though not surprising).

On a similar note, the ban hammer has been coming down on Navy procurement of late...lot of O-6/SES/Flag Officer's being "rotated out of cycle" to other assignments. Navy acquisition is a fucking joke, and has next to nothing to do with delivering capability to the fleet. It does however, have everything to do with those same O-6/Flag officers getting a promotion or "all outstanding" FITREP.

Been on the contractor side for over 20 years now, and I have to tell you, the government wastes so much money playing rice bowl politics it ain't even funny. Especially when the government folks, after getting called on it, then try to blame it on the contractor ("They cost too much!"). Right. The reason we cost so much isn't our pay rates, it's because you government "white collar welfare" schmucks make decisions based on political convenience, rather than technical or operational impact. Which then causes more delays for some OTHER government schmucks to handle their part of the "pay to play" scheme to move a system through the government process that "ensures an solid efficient system is delivered to the fleet"...5 years late, meeting all the contractual "requirements" legally, but providing fuck all usable capability to the fleet. Grrr...

Sorry for venting, but I have to deal with Navy bullshit almost every day. It's fucking sad that they have such incompetent people running these acquisition programs. Smdh...

 

[FS1]

I think Congress should go first with Gov controlled coverage. Then they can let us know how they like it.

PS they could solve the problem by having AJ follow them with his ammo barge.

 

[308pirate]

@308pirate

Looks like there will have to be a new rate for ammunition carrier between decks.

Guessing this is more doom reporting than reality, probably working they just need some bureacrat to sign off on their elevator permit......but still get those elevators working.

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There's already a rating (rate is your rank) to hump ammo from the magazines to the hangar and flight decks:

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Get them redshirts in good shape. If they need help they can run fwd to the bosun's locker for some tackle.

As for the elevator problems, I agree with your that the truth is somewhere in between the "all is A-OK" official Navy/shipyard line and the "this ship will never sail" grandstanding from congress.

 

[MarinePMI]

The days of the carrier as the premier warship of the fleet are long gone...

 

[pmclaine]

The days of the carrier as the premier warship of the fleet are long gone...

Not that Im anywhere old enough to have any association with it I am nostalgic for a world big enough to support Battleships roaming the seas.

As technology "grows" the actual planet shrinks.

Kind of romantic, certainly unachievable to return to, but I liked a "vast" planet where China was 3-4 weeks of ocean travel away.

Time and distance are compressed by technology.

The fastest elevator in the world still wont be fast enough.

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Now in war we are confronted with conditions which are strange.
If we accept them we will never win.
Since by being realistic, as in mundane combats fistic,
We will get a bloody nose and that's a sin.

To avoid such fell disaster, the result of fighting faster,
We resort to fighting carefully and slow.
We fill up terrestrial spaces with secure expensive bases
To keep our tax rate high and death rate low.

But with sadness and with sorrow we discover to our horror
That while we build, the enemy gets set.

So despite our fine intentions to produce extensive pensions
We haven't licked the dirty bastard yet.

For in war just as in loving, you must always keep on shoving
Or you'll never get your just reward.
For if you are dilatory in the search for lust and glory
You are up shit creek and that's the truth, Oh! Lord.

So let us do real fighting, boring in and gouging, biting.
Let's take a chance now that we have the ball.
Let's forget those fine firm bases in the dreary shell raked spaces.

Let's shoot the works and win! Yes, win it all!

General George S Patton Jnr

 

[pmclaine]

There's already a rating (rate is your rank) to hump ammo from the magazines to the hangar and flight decks:

Get them redshirts in good shape. If they need help they can run fwd to the bosun's locker for some tackle.

As for the elevator problems, I agree with your that the truth is somewhere in between the "all is A-OK" official Navy/shipyard line and the "this ship will never sail" grandstanding from congress.

Yes but they shouldnt have to run that shit up a ladderwell.

........and based on the look current available recruits the only weight they hoist is boxes of Twinkies.

Fleet Powder Monkeys of yore they are not.

 

[308pirate]

The days of the carrier as the premier warship of the fleet are long gone...

As Mark Twain once said: reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Not that Im anywhere old enough to have any association with it I am nostalgic for a world big enough to support Battleships roaming the seas.

I too am definitely a "Battleship" advocate. Biggest guns, and missile carriers too. Not-for-nothing, but I'm building the BB-62 right now in 1:350, to which I'm going to mock one up to 1:200 or possibly 1:150, articulated.

Yeah, bring back the Battleships. Now, back to healing and convalescing. Sure is fun.

 

[MarinePMI]

As Mark Twain once said: reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

Funny, I remember reading where someone said this exact same thing about Battleships...

Don't get me wrong, the CVN's have value, but it is mostly against non-peer adversaries. They're great for beating up on third world countries, but against a peer adversary, they're 5,000+ people sized coffins. If there's one thing the public will not tolerate is the loss of life on that scale (never mind the intrinsic value that would be lost). Carriers are quickly becoming a support level ship (like they were in the beginning); the circle has come around (for now).

 

[pmclaine]

I too am definitely a "Battleship" advocate. Biggest guns, and missile carriers too. Not-for-nothing, but I'm building the BB-62 right now in 1:350, to which I'm going to mock one up to 1:200 or possibly 1:150, articulated.

Yeah, bring back the Battleships. Now, back to healing and convalescing. Sure is fun.

The USS Massachusetts its mothballed in Fall River, MA.

Im stunned by how fast we built these things back than and they seem to have done the job.

I dont think they have much relevance today when its easy to spend a million dollars on a swarm of missiles likely to send them to the bottom in short order.

The Navy is becoming one that belongs "under" the sea.

Infantry will need "under ground" capability should the realization of "Killer Bee" drones become closer to reality.

Its a sucky world we live in when you consider how efficient we are becoming at killing.

Nukes were the unthinkable threat, so bad they would never be used.

Now we have as lethal, just more discriminating.

Our only hope is a weapon technology that destroys the technology advantage/disadvantage and forces us to fight as cavemen.

Que @Gunfighter14e2 to present his dissertation on "EMP in the Modern Battlefield" here........

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

When they conger up an develop a new weapon, there are also people task to conger up an develop a counter for same. I doubt a EMP would bring down our Military per-say. However it would disrupt fringe items used more so for comfort/mundane tasks an civi resupply to military storage areas greatly. My best guess for swarms would be some type of Particle accelerator, be it ship mounted or a land transport system.

Done properly EMP's followed by graphite bombs are the biggest threat to the civi sector. One of the reasons I believe the probing of the power grid is going on. To see if it can be done via keystrokes is one thing but more so to find the more heavily loaded areas that could lead to baseload turbine trips if need be. A few turbine trips, opens many windows, for a short or prolonged engagement, if the protective relays fail or have had their set points changed just prior.

 

[MarinePMI]

The USS Massachusetts its mothballed in Fall River, MA.

Im stunned by how fast we built these things back than and they seem to have done the job.

I dont think they have much relevance today when its easy to spend a million dollars on a swarm of missiles likely to send them to the bottom in short order.

The Navy is becoming one that belongs "under" the sea.

Infantry will need "under ground" capability should the realization of "Killer Bee" drones become closer to reality.

Its a sucky world we live in when you consider how efficient we are becoming at killing.

Nukes were the unthinkable threat, so bad they would never be used.

Now we have as lethal, just more discriminating.

Our only hope is a weapon technology that destroys the technology advantage/disadvantage and forces us to fight as cavemen.

Que @Gunfighter14e2 to present his dissertation on "EMP in the Modern Battlefield" here........

Without getting into details you've hit on several key points...keep thinking along those lines.

ETA: Oh, and read the book "Ghost Fleet". A very interesting read on future naval warfare...among other things.