Chemical Warfare,

[Sean the Nailer]

Yo all,

So it has been quite some time since either myself or My Lady have been sick. It seems that with her being at the hospital each day, she brought something home a few weeks ago, and she's been working through it and whatnot. And yes, while she was sick, she wasn't there working with dad. She lost her voice and everything.

But now, a few days go, I get sick. I guess it was inevitable. We each have had our flu shots each year, and it's been quite some time since we've been affected with this Biological Warfare. I'm sure it's the Russians, the Japanese with their oranges, or maybe even the Scandehoovians.... but someone out there is trying to take over the world for global domination. Evil bastages.

So, we go to 'the kit' to bring out the regular crap that works. Over the years we've found what is effective, and what is an expensive label. We only keep what is effective. Gotta neutralize Biological Warfare with a Chemical Cocktail to both bolster one's own defenses (read: Personal Toxicity) as well as overtake/poison the offending germabugs and greeblies.

So there I am, lining up shots of Buckley's. You know, that stuff that tastes bad. Except this stuff tastes bad. Really bad. Can you imagine how bad Buckley's must be, for something that tastes bad to REALLY taste bad. As in, it wasn't a 'good bad', but a 'bad bad'????

So I begin looking at the bottle, and it seems to have expired. In November. Of 2009.

That shit's Chemical Warfare, right there! So then I grab the next bottle, which is the 'nicer' one that My Lady prefers because she can't stand the taste/aftertaste of the Buckley's.... and it is some sort of Benylin stuff. (she prefers the prettier flavor) I go to give that crap a swig, and pour some right into my mouth.

Except it doesn't pour out. I stand the bottle back up again, and it swishes back down to the bottom. I tilt my head back, and go to slam some again (clearly, I'm not firing on all cylinders) and sure enough, the contents all flow to the front but NOTHING comes out the neck of the bottle. "What the hell,,," says I???

I look at this stuff, with the bottle upside down, and it has "gel-icized" (or whatever you call that transition a substance takes when they turn from a pourable liquid to a semi-solid/semi-fluid blob of gel) and then I look at the label closerly and it too expired. July, of 2007.

More EVIL Chemical Warfare.

So, the whole point of this blathering diatribe, is that for any of ya'll that have the fancy-schmancey "First Aid Kits" that you can suture up an impromptu Cesarean Section, or using 3 sticks, 5 chicken-bones and a rock perform a lobotomy whilst someone else is holding a chem-light.... once in a while perform an inventory of 'consumables/expendables' and refresh what's needed.

The future of Mankind, Health, Happiness, and Survivability ALL depend on you. Oh, and you're kids probably do too!

Note to self.....

 

[lash]

Lol! Been there!

Time flies by, but expiration dates don’t move. I’ve grabbed a bottle of medicine before, think that it was only a year or so old, only to find out it expired four or five years ago.

What a pain. And usually it’s when you feel lower than a dung beetle in a rat’s nest and in no shape to run to the pharmacy.

 

[clcustom1911]

This definitely is the most "Bear Pit" thread of the day.

Well done.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

ROTATE, ROTATE, ROTATE!

As a former retail manager I have lost count of how many times I had to remind the staff of that ONE golden rule when it comes to dealing with anything remotely perishable.

You NEVER just stockpile and forget. The only thing that you can do that with is black powder. I have had several cans of real old-timey DuPont that a friend found while cleaning out his grandfather's attic and the stuff fired absolutely fine. But I am digressing.

Always inventory what you have stockpiled. When you receive new shipments of the item, place all of the newer stuff in the back and use the old ones. A notebook and a pen, as well as a good old Sharpie marker, will save a lot of headaches here.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Blue-Sky, you're right, and that's all fine-and-dandy.

Except for the fact that we hardly ever think of, let alone.... 'touch' the "I'm dying" box. That stuff is put away, we know where it is, but seeing as it only has BAD memories, we definitely don't want to think about bringing it out and 'reliving old times'.

That doesn't fix the problem. I get that. But who wants to reminisce about "hawking up loogies" that can be used as squash-balls?

 

[XLR308]

Inventory check list
1) Lemon
2) Honey
3) whiskey
Two of the ingredients never go bad and if that wont cure what ails you let it run its course. ???

 

[brianf]

Lol! Been there!

Time flies by, but expiration dates don’t move. I’ve grabbed a bottle of medicine before, think that it was only a year or so old, only to find out it expired four or five years ago.

What a pain. And usually it’s when you feel lower than a dung beetle in a rat’s nest and in no shape to run to the pharmacy.

Unless it’s a liquid, tabs last much longer.

I have stability (fda expiration date data) for Tylenol that lasts 6 years.

All OTC (ibuprofen, aspirin etc) are synthetic, no moisture to worry about.

We only sell 3 year exp to limit exposure in the market.

Softgels and liquids have micro issues etc, those I wouldn’t take more than 6-12 months past exp.

Tabs, don’t worry.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Blue-Sky, you're right, and that's all fine-and-dandy.

Except for the fact that we hardly ever think of, let alone.... 'touch' the "I'm dying" box. That stuff is put away, we know where it is, but seeing as it only has BAD memories, we definitely don't want to think about bringing it out and 'reliving old times'.

That doesn't fix the problem. I get that. But who wants to reminisce about "hawking up loogies" that can be used as squash-balls?

But think of it this way though: The reason why you would assemble a "I am dying" box, is so that you and everyone in your care will NOT have to face dying when the turds hit the fan. And that means it is an investment that should be kept as meticulously charged and ready for use as an emergency power supply system out in the boonies.

 

[brianf]

All OTC’s product on the shelf, not product behind the pharmacy counter are really “masking agents”.

There are only about 15 active ingredients that are used in different combinations and labels.

Advil doesn’t fix your slipped disk it masks the pain, same with the flu. It drops the fever and shakes for comfort while your body does the fighting.

For a real death box m/shtf you need antibiotics. Z packs/ broad spectrum if you can.

Trying not to bite you guys with the particulars..

Pills are my day job when I’m not on the hide posting. Lol

 

[flyer]

Nonsense, expiration dates are a conspiracy originally designed to get people to throw out perfectly good Twinkies.

If I believed in them I would have to buy a new defibrillator and Twinkies.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

All OTC’s product on the shelf, not product behind the pharmacy counter are really “masking agents”.

There are only about 15 active ingredients that are used in different combinations and labels.

Advil doesn’t fix your slipped disk it masks the pain, same with the flu. It drops the fever and shakes for comfort while your body does the fighting.

For a real death box m/shtf you need antibiotics. Z packs/ broad spectrum if you can.

Trying not to bite you guys with the particulars..

Pills are my day job when I’m not on the hide posting. Lol

We get the similarities between "cover and concealment" being synonymous with the "heal vs. hide" of medications.

By all means, please feel free to contribute more. There's so much that I don't know, and am willing to learn. But one thing I am NOT willing to do, is constantly throw money away each year, simply because "one might".... Things are bad enough as it is, with vehicle insurance, house insurance, etc. If this stuff was cheap, then it MIGHT be a different story. But you know, that each name brand item is about 20ish bucks. (at least it is up here in Canada) and for all the different items, I ain't about to continuously re=cycle that stuff continuously.

Call me cheap, but I'd rather put the money towards something viable like ammo, or groceries with the family, etc. I am 100% all for the 'actual home-made' stuff using base ingredients that each has a half-life instead of a shelf-life. And it's not like I/we need this stuff often. It's just that when we do, we need something that WORKS. And practically nothing else matters.

Whiskey, Lemon, and Honey. Yep, always keep them on hand. Same goes for the cayenne, but that isn't for everyone. A bottle of Ascorbic Acid powder has many uses, and lasts a long time, too. Just a few examples.

I have a hard time throwing money away, because of a name/label. We're living of Disability Income here, so 'expenditures' are limited and considered. Hence why I'm a cheap-bastard. I've no choice.

I learned many years ago, Chrome don't get you Home, and performance is HUGELY more important than 'pretty'. Function over fashion with all things material.

I respect the chemists and apothecary's of old. If you've formula's you want to share, I'd be most interested. Just as long as it ISN'T like my grandfather's "2 drops of kerosene onto a teaspoonful of sugar to break a fever" type of thing. I may be archaic, but I'm not THAT archaic.

 

[TheGerman]

Its ze Germans

 

[brianf]

We get the similarities between "cover and concealment" being synonymous with the "heal vs. hide" of medications.

By all means, please feel free to contribute more. There's so much that I don't know, and am willing to learn. But one thing I am NOT willing to do, is constantly throw money away each year, simply because "one might".... Things are bad enough as it is, with vehicle insurance, house insurance, etc. If this stuff was cheap, then it MIGHT be a different story. But you know, that each name brand item is about 20ish bucks. (at least it is up here in Canada) and for all the different items, I ain't about to continuously re=cycle that stuff continuously.

Call me cheap, but I'd rather put the money towards something viable like ammo, or groceries with the family, etc. I am 100% all for the 'actual home-made' stuff using base ingredients that each has a half-life instead of a shelf-life. And it's not like I/we need this stuff often. It's just that when we do, we need something that WORKS. And practically nothing else matters.

Whiskey, Lemon, and Honey. Yep, always keep them on hand. Same goes for the cayenne, but that isn't for everyone. A bottle of Ascorbic Acid powder has many uses, and lasts a long time, too. Just a few examples.

I have a hard time throwing money away, because of a name/label. We're living of Disability Income here, so 'expenditures' are limited and considered. Hence why I'm a cheap-bastard. I've no choice.

I learned many years ago, Chrome don't get you Home, and performance is HUGELY more important than 'pretty'. Function over fashion with all things material.

I respect the chemists and apothecary's of old. If you've formula's you want to share, I'd be most interested. Just as long as it ISN'T like my grandfather's "2 drops of kerosene onto a teaspoonful of sugar to break a fever" type of thing. I may be archaic, but I'm not THAT archaic.

Concerning OTCs (Advil , Tylenol cold etc), always buy the generic "cvs" brand.

I'll make a batch of 5.5 million tablets or 55000 bottles of 100 count (trade name for Tylenol), I'll put in different bottles and labels for different customers.

If the product is sold as "compare to" that means it pass s certain testing, physical and packaging criteria which when scored. If it passes it means that the FDA ok's it as a alternate compared to the name brand.

They really break down to:
A nasal decongestant (drain sinuses) (phenylepherine, pseudophedrine)
Caugh suppressant (dextromorphan)
Pain fever reducer (ibuprofen, aspirin, acetametophen)
Exploratent (when you cough phlegm comes up) (guaifenesen)
antihistamine (Claritin, Benadryl)

There a few more raw materials buy they all try to have the same effect.

Every bottle you buy will have a combination of those raw materials usually at the same strength.

If you have cancer buy the brand name but for fun of the mill stuff, there is no difference at all.

I actually buy Tylenol powder from the same supplier they do, so my compare testing is always spot on.

All of those raw materials have been around forever, buy the solid dose form/tablet...5 years no prob as long as they are not in the trunk all summer very summer.

They don't turn harmful, they just become less potent.

 

[brianf]

I'm on my kids iPad...which means pain in the ass...but if you have particular questions I might be able to help with, make a list.
You can pm or open forum, up to you.
I'll get answers from my rd guys if I don't know, on Monday (back to work).
Sean if you are tight on cash and don't have the info, send me a list of "regular pills" you have or like, take a pic of the label.
I'll give you some direction.

Brian

 

[Strykervet]

Man, I hope you get to feeling better. I HATE being sick. I'm always dealing with something so it's just a kick in the balls is all it is. I get the quadrivalent vaccine every year (now they have a pentavalent shot, I'll beg for that one next year).

But hey! They sell cocodamol or T3 there OTC, so in worst case you can always get some of those, some gasoline, acetone, caustic soda and a few other doo dads and whip up a batch of desomorphine, AKA krokodil! I hear that stuff'll kick a cold right in the ass. Your arm may rot off, but hey, side effects are side effects. (Seriously, ever see that woman that has EXPOSED arm bones?)

Take it easy on the total tylenol intake though, that stuff is pure liver poison.

 

[Slash0311]

So not only "buy more ammo" but now " buy more meds"...

Can we just say "lead and meds"?

 

[brianf]

I sell to a lot of different countries...I wish I could lead the meds., or a broker sells etc.

Ill leave you guys to think what type of countries I’m talking about, by seeing a few of my other posts.

You older guys 81 mg aspirin really does work, let alone pay my Ammo bills.

 

[Crang]

I recall reading a military study some years back on the effectiveness of expired meds. Since they stockpile such large quantities it makes sense. The gist was properly stored pills are still good for an extra 10 years but lose their potency. Simply increase dosage. The one giant glaring exception was the -cycline category of antibiotics which breaks down into something quite toxic.