Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

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#1
Hey guys, I had a HS percision stock on my sps v barreled action.

It was shooting about.5 moa. I recently picked up a choate tactical stock. I liked the looks and the vertical grip of the tactical stock better.

I have only shot 3 groups with the choate on but it only groups about .7 moa. I havent shot it at my normal spot though. Im shooting it in the woods, and im shooting pretty fast (6 shots in a minute). Its not my property so I shoot fast and get the hell out.
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I havent shot 4-5 groups in a row for about 45 minutes like I did the HS precision. Would this make a difference?

Thanks for the help
 
#3
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what brand of crack are you huffing ?


</div></div>

lol. Just the local stuff. Im cheap man...
 
#6
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

Sounds like you answered a lot of your own questions, Capt. Obvious.

But I had a Choate Tactical stock on my Savage and noticed a large difference in my groups when moving the bi-pod further back on the fore-stock. I think the Choate is a strong durable stock but that plastic adds a bit of "springiness" to it and was getting vertical groups. Once the bi-pod was moved back another inch or two, my vertical shrank in half. Its just a thought but try that and see if it helps.

Also, for the record, I was shooting a 7mm-08 from a concrete bench using a Harris non-swivel bipod and a rear bag. I was still working on controlling bi-pod hop. Since moving to a Atlas setup, and practicing a lot, I can stay on target after each shot and no longer have any hop.

Mike
 
#7
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would check the torque on the screw thingies.....and aquire a rabbits foot </div></div>

So you dont think the choate could ever group as well as the hs precision?


Both are free floated and aluminum bedding blocks. I dont see why not.

Care to educate me?
 
#8
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1k3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you answered a lot of your own questions, Capt. Obvious.

But I had a Choate Tactical stock on my Savage and noticed a large difference in my groups when moving the bi-pod further back on the fore-stock. I think the Choate is a strong durable stock but that plastic adds a bit of "springiness" to it and was getting vertical groups. Once the bi-pod was moved back another inch or two, my vertical shrank in half. Its just a thought but try that and see if it helps.

Also, for the record, I was shooting a 7mm-08 from a Concrete bench using a Harris non-swivel bipod and a rear bag. I was still working on controlling bi-pod hop. Since moving to a Atlas setup, and practicing a lot, I can stay on target after each shot and no longer have any hop.

Mike </div></div>

I thought that might have been the case so I shot off a bag today. no difference.
 
#10
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

the choate is a load....but can be tweeked to allow some good shooting.....but alas its lipstick on a pig.

you see its a top loader.....the HS stock can be made to accomodate some bottom metal which then allows you to compete and run with the big boys....its also lighter too....


don't let the pistol grip run you decision making process....them stipples can be abrated off so it do not bite.....but....its still lipstick.....trust me on this..



....no charge.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trey Warren</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well first off, shoot on your own property or at the range so you can put some time into it. then if you still see results you aren't happy with, bed the action and go from there </div></div>

I try to. I have propriety to shoot on its just 2 hours away and Ive been waiting to shoot this thing for a week now. I just dont have lots of time on my hands to go drive 2 hours, shoot 2 hours, and drive another 2 hours.
 
#12
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the choate is a load....but can be tweeked to allow some good shooting.....but alas its lipstick on a pig.

you see its a top loader.....the HS stock can be made to accomodate some bottom metal which then allows you to compete and run with the big boys....its also lighter too....


don't let the pistol grip run you decision making process....them stipples can be abrated off so it do not bite.....but....its still lipstick.....trust me on this..



....no charge. </div></div>

Ok thanks
 
#13
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

Maybe just more practice then with the newer stock? .5moa to .7moa isn't a huge difference. Just breathing differently can easily cause that. Too much coke (all kinds)?

I did eventually bed my Choate stock too but later switched to the HS stock myself. I liked the Choate but I like the feel of the HS better.

Could just be harmonics are a little different? Could be just you thinking it should shoot different? Holding it different? You're going to need a lot of data points to prove its anything one way or the other. Good luck though!

Mike
 
#14
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I kinda agree with Bolt on the Choate analogy. Its not a bad stock but if you are willing to invest in high quality optics, machine work, hand loading, you might as well go the next step and get a quality stock.

Its a large hunk of molded plastic. They can call it what ever they want, its plastic. Extremely durable and probably will last forever but the quality sucks. I spent several days and nights working on mine to get rid of mold lines. Bed it so the action sat straight, etc.

Its a good stock for say basic shooters. But . . . basic shooters aren't concerned with .2MOA. I mean come on, 1/4" at 100yds? If you are that concerned, you need to look at McMillan, HS, Manners, etc. Try to shoot it some more and get back with us.

Mike
 
#15
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

I'm going to guess that since you were out shooting on someone else's land without their permission that you were not shooting from the bench on a known distance range, taking the time to insure that your trigger control, breathing and follow through were at their optimum.

I have a choate tactical, it is a good stock, I don't know why you would go from an HS to a Choate, I like my Choate, while it was a huge upgrade over the hogue, I would not consider it an upgrade over an HS.

For another 50 bucks or so you could have gotten an HS 700P stock from midway, or you could have gotten a B&C light tactical.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't know why you would go from an HS to a Choate, </div></div>

I wanted to try the choate specifically for the vertical grip and extra weight. I dont shoot competitions so maneuverability isnt a issue, and the extra weight makes this thing kick like a 223.


I assumed that an aluminum bedding block was an aluminum bedding block and as long as it was free floated it really wouldnt make that much of a difference.


I will shoot it some more and see how it does.
 
#17
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

All blocks are not the same. I've owned and worked on B&C Medalist, Choate Tactical, and HS stocks (all for Savage). The B&C block was either machined crooked or molded into the stock wrong but the barrel would start out straight and go to the left after 10 shots or so. Skim bedding fixed that.

The Choate Tactical has a V-block which should self center the action in the stock. Great idea but poorly executed. The aluminum block is soft and will give way to the steel action. You wind up with only two linear contact points down the sides of the action. Any change in pressure or tension on the action to stock interface and that linear contact points would change. Bedding fixed this as well and made the stock very consistent.

The HS stocks I have seen have a better bedding block. Nice smooth surface. The action usually sits straight and level. Just better quality. Skim bedding makes them nearly perfect. Again, there are just different levels of quality in nearly every aspect of guns. You get what you pay for most of the time. If you don't, send it back.
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Mike
 
#18
Re: Choate stock not grouping as well a HS Persicion?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1k3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All blocks are not the same. I've owned and worked on B&C Medalist, Choate Tactical, and HS stocks (all for Savage). The B&C block was either machined crooked or molded into the stock wrong but the barrel would start out straight and go to the left after 10 shots or so. Skim bedding fixed that.

The Choate Tactical has a V-block which should self center the action in the stock. Great idea but poorly executed. The aluminum block is soft and will give way to the steel action. You wind up with only two linear contact points down the sides of the action. Any change in pressure or tension on the action to stock interface and that linear contact points would change. Bedding fixed this as well and made the stock very consistent.

The HS stocks I have seen have a better bedding block. Nice smooth surface. The action usually sits straight and level. Just better quality. Skim bedding makes them nearly perfect. Again, there are just different levels of quality in nearly every aspect of guns. You get what you pay for most of the time. If you don't, send it back.
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Mike </div></div>

I was trying to find some info on the Choate stocks' quality compared to others. It seems like you may have answered them. The plastic nature of the stock allows some flex at the far tip under the barrel, but nothing flexes closer to the trigger guard.

I was thinking about bedding the stock and on the fence...now it looks like I'll definitely try my hand at bedding.
 
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