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Chop or Not

Jedi

Team AndiCapp
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Minuteman
Dec 10, 2003
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Since i started shooting my X47
308 is just gathering dust
mostly coz x47 is so much easier to shoot kinda like cheating.

308 best suited to light 155 bullets n lets face the bc still sucs compared to 6, 6.5, 7mm bullets.

So in order to have a more usable rig as x47 is a match rifle. So thinking hunting n some light tactical work

So
heres my thinking
After much number crunching thru QL/QT

20" no taper truck axle or something real close
7saum

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tabular trajectory data at Non-Std. Atmosphere
Gunsite altitude : 1000 ft.
Air density : 0.067756 lb./ft³
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Gun / Ammunition : 7 mm Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet : .284, 168, JLK VLD 28168
Bullet weight : 168 grains or 10.89 Grams
Muzzle velocity : 2933 fps
Crosswind speed : 10 Mph
Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1):
C1=0.690@V>0 fps;


Optimum trajectory information :
Optimum sight-in range (X) = 210 Yds.
with max. ordinate above LOS at range (M)= 127 Yds.
and max. point blank range (P)= 243 Yds.
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Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 0.915 cm/100 yd. or 0.36 in/100 yd.
Height of sight above bore axis = 5.0 cm or 1.969 inch
Gun is zeroed-in at 100 yds,
by sighting-in at level firing
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Range Velo Time of Energy Path Deflection Total Sight correction Target
city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
LOS of 10.0 Mph zero range 33 fps
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•Yards fps s ft.lbs. in. in. MOA in. Clicks MOA yds •
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| 0 2933 0.0000 3210 -2.0 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
| 50 2871 0.0519 3076 -0.4 0.1 0.26 0.5 +2.5 +0.86 0.57
M 96 2815 0.1007 2958 0.0 0.4 0.44 1.9 0.0 0.00 1.10
X 100 2811 0.1050 2947 0.0 0.5 0.46 2.1 0.0 0.00 1.15
| 150 2750 0.1592 2823 -0.6 1.0 0.65 4.8 +1.2 +0.42 1.74
P 180 2715 0.1922 2750 -1.6 1.4 0.76 7.0 +2.5 +0.85 2.10
| 200 2691 0.2145 2702 -2.4 1.7 0.83 8.6 +3.4 +1.18 2.35
| 250 2633 0.2708 2586 -5.4 2.7 1.02 13.7 +6.1 +2.09 2.96
| 300 2575 0.3282 2474 -9.6 3.8 1.19 19.9 +9.0 +3.08 3.59
| 350 2518 0.3864 2365 -15.1 5.0 1.36 27.4 +12.0 +4.13 4.23
| 400 2461 0.4464 2260 -21.9 6.6 1.56 36.3 +15.3 +5.25 4.88
| 450 2406 0.5080 2159 -30.3 8.4 1.78 46.7 +18.7 +6.44 5.56
| 500 2351 0.5714 2062 -40.2 10.6 2.02 58.6 +22.3 +7.69 6.25
| 550 2297 0.6363 1968 -51.6 13.0 2.25 72.1 +26.1 +8.98 6.96
| 600 2243 0.7026 1878 -64.8 15.7 2.49 87.3 +30.0 +10.33 7.68
| 650 2190 0.7705 1790 -79.6 18.6 2.73 104.2 +34.1 +11.71 8.43
| 700 2138 0.8397 1706 -96.2 21.8 2.97 122.8 +38.2 +13.14 9.18
| 750 2087 0.9103 1625 -114.6 25.2 3.21 143.2 +42.5 +14.60 9.95
| 800 2036 0.9818 1547 -134.6 28.8 3.44 165.4 +46.8 +16.09 10.74
| 850 1986 1.0554 1471 -156.8 32.7 3.68 189.6 +51.3 +17.64 11.54
| 900 1936 1.1317 1399 -181.5 37.2 3.94 216.3 +56.0 +19.27 12.38
| 950 1888 1.2106 1330 -208.7 42.0 4.23 245.6 +61.1 +21.00 13.24
| 1000 1841 1.2919 1264 -238.7 47.4 4.52 277.6 +66.3 +22.81 14.13
| 1050 1794 1.3755 1201 -271.3 53.1 4.83 312.2 +71.8 +24.69 15.04
| 1100 1749 1.4613 1141 -306.7 59.2 5.14 349.7 +77.5 +26.65 15.98
| 1150 1704 1.5490 1084 -345.0 65.6 5.45 390.0 +83.3 +28.66 16.94
| 1200 1661 1.6387 1029 -386.1 72.4 5.76 433.1 +89.4 +30.74 17.92
| 1250 1618 1.7302 977 -430.1 79.5 6.07 479.2 +95.6 +32.88 18.92
| 1300 1576 1.8235 926 -477.1 86.9 6.38 528.2 +101.9 +35.06 19.94
| 1350 1535 1.9185 879 -527.2 94.6 6.69 580.4 +108.5 +37.31 20.98
| 1400 1495 2.0166 834 -581.3 102.9 7.02 636.5 +115.3 +39.67 22.05
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M = Peak vs. L.O.S, X = Set Zero, P = Max. Point Blank Range
Elevation above Angle of Site (0.0 deg.) = 0.0647 deg.
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Thats 47" of drift 10mph wind and 23MOA @ 1k

Now what kinda recoil can i expect? thou plan is to run a CAN eventually which will help

What you guys reckon do it or stay 308
 
Re: Chop or Not

7 SAUM is a good round. Recoil would be negligible in a rifle with a truck axle/sewer pipe barrel. I would not go below 21 3/4" with this round.

Chopping up your 308 would require: Opening the bolt face or buying a new PT&G bolt, new extractor (if you don't buy a new PT&G bolt), new follower and mag box.

It might be cheaper to sell your 308, and find a rem 700 donor action (either 7mm or 300 saum or any WSM short mag flavor) and built it from there.

Sounds like a fun project.

Bob
 
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What is the point of a 20" straight taper barrel? May as well have a 24" #7.
 
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Gun currently runs BADGER DBM n AICS mags so no issue there.

PTG bolt thats a good idea depends on $$ Mark will ask to open this one.



Sell the 308 nah its already got all the bells n whistles not a off the rack stick....luvin built by Randy (HateCa)

How ever I reran Numbers as suggested by a friend
straight 284 win
no bolt change....i,m cheap
Difference is nowt @ 1k 49 drift @ 10mph and 24.5 MOA
So
284 it is
22" barrel still short enuff for CAN, thats point of short barrel

thnx guys
 
Re: Chop or Not

Karl2U,

Yup, your rifle does have all the bells and whistles. 284 winny is another good round although feeding it can be a problem. You have a choice of Winchester Brass, that's it. Getting it to feed into from your box can also run into problems. But if you can get a AICS to feed WSM's, then I guess it would feed 284's.

Bob
 
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Lapua makes 6.5-284 brass should be pert easy to neck up
 
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I love that rifle. If its collecting dust, I'll remedy that for you.
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Guys, you outta see that rig up close. She is sexy.
 
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Shag
thnx for compliment, but i,m a lefty and after all $$ i put into something that began as a 700vs...its not going anywhere
Just fancy running a CAN and 284 outta 22" barrel does pert good

You had any luck with Dill boy and procuring reloading gear?

Most of my time is going into x47 and sorting it, then getting LNL AP running cranking out 223 and 9mm for cheap trigger time

Next shoot @ new Braunfels is 4th july, might see if i can sneak away for it...let me know if ya wanna go or any others that are local.