If you had to choose, which would it be: USO ST-10 or 6-24x50 PST? Will straight 10x limit me, or will the added clarity of USO glass make up for the loss of magnification? Nice features like illuminated reticle don't mean alot to me, but seeing my target does.
Rifle Scopes Clarity vs. Magnification?????
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Re: Clarity vs. Magnification?????
Really depends on your target. If its 2MOA plus 10X probably would be fine. Personally I shoot at targets that are 1/2 MOA or so. I need a bit more than 10X. So my vote would be the 6-24 PST.
Plus at 62+ my vision ain't what it used to be.
Really depends on your target. If its 2MOA plus 10X probably would be fine. Personally I shoot at targets that are 1/2 MOA or so. I need a bit more than 10X. So my vote would be the 6-24 PST.
Plus at 62+ my vision ain't what it used to be.
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Id go with the ST-10. The glass on the one I had was great, it was super clear.
Id go with the ST-10. The glass on the one I had was great, it was super clear.
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Honestly I haven't had the chance to look through any USO products. In fact I'm kinda afraid to. They say once you see the best you'll settle for nothing less, and this poor boy can't afford the best right now. The ST-10 seems to be a good compromise. And the fact that it holds it's value is nice too. Any other thoughts?
Honestly I haven't had the chance to look through any USO products. In fact I'm kinda afraid to. They say once you see the best you'll settle for nothing less, and this poor boy can't afford the best right now. The ST-10 seems to be a good compromise. And the fact that it holds it's value is nice too. Any other thoughts?
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What is its primary purpose?
I can hit steel at 1500+ yds. with 10x. Shooting sub-1/2 MOA groups at 800 yds... a little harder.
It's been said before here that the mission defines the equipment.
You've described a high dollar orange and a budget apple. Forget price. Which fruit do you need?
John
What is its primary purpose?
I can hit steel at 1500+ yds. with 10x. Shooting sub-1/2 MOA groups at 800 yds... a little harder.
It's been said before here that the mission defines the equipment.
You've described a high dollar orange and a budget apple. Forget price. Which fruit do you need?
John
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Just start eating the raman now and the price of the ST-10 drops to real easy really quick when you aren't spending good rifle money on food. If you stop drinking then it will happen even faster
Magnification, bells and whistles are all ok, but when you look through USO glass, nothing else is good enough, unless of course it's free, then of course you can whore yourself out for the latest shit that way
Just start eating the raman now and the price of the ST-10 drops to real easy really quick when you aren't spending good rifle money on food. If you stop drinking then it will happen even faster
Magnification, bells and whistles are all ok, but when you look through USO glass, nothing else is good enough, unless of course it's free, then of course you can whore yourself out for the latest shit that way
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As pointed out above - It's all about the mission.
Still, as somebody said on another thread:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Occasionally I wished for more magnification. But never did I wish "if only I had a scope with less magnification."</div></div>
If you need less than max - just crank it down. But if you need more than 10x max of that scope (e.g. because your target is smaller than a steel plate) - what are you going to do?
As pointed out above - It's all about the mission.
Still, as somebody said on another thread:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Occasionally I wished for more magnification. But never did I wish "if only I had a scope with less magnification."</div></div>
If you need less than max - just crank it down. But if you need more than 10x max of that scope (e.g. because your target is smaller than a steel plate) - what are you going to do?
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I find that I have more of a problem of 10x being too much rather than too little. Its nice to be able to zoom down when you want a bigger field of view or if you are trying to find targets quickly.
I used a S&B fixed 10x for about a year, after switching to variable I would not go back to fixed 10x.
If I were you I would save up for a variable USO or try to find a used NF for around $1200.
I find that I have more of a problem of 10x being too much rather than too little. Its nice to be able to zoom down when you want a bigger field of view or if you are trying to find targets quickly.
I used a S&B fixed 10x for about a year, after switching to variable I would not go back to fixed 10x.
If I were you I would save up for a variable USO or try to find a used NF for around $1200.
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If I do get a variable scope I would like it to be FFP. Another question, how does IOR hold up to these two? the 3-18x42 FFP Snipershide addition from Liberty Optics looks pretty appealing, and might even be a suitable compromise between a variable USO and the Vortex PST. I don't here very much about them, but all I have heard has been positive.
Sorry for all the questions. I would love to test out some of these different scopes, but the nearest big city is 2 hrs away. None of the three small shops in my town could even imagine carrying this kind of glass.
If I do get a variable scope I would like it to be FFP. Another question, how does IOR hold up to these two? the 3-18x42 FFP Snipershide addition from Liberty Optics looks pretty appealing, and might even be a suitable compromise between a variable USO and the Vortex PST. I don't here very much about them, but all I have heard has been positive.
Sorry for all the questions. I would love to test out some of these different scopes, but the nearest big city is 2 hrs away. None of the three small shops in my town could even imagine carrying this kind of glass.
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IOR is known to have some of the best glass in the industry, on the level of Zeiss and S&B and better than USO, NF, Leupold etc.
That being said, a lot of people have had problems with the durability of the scopes, with many having internal problems and needing to be sent back. According to Scott at Liberty optics, this has been corrected for in Gen4, but that remains to be seen.
IOR is known to have some of the best glass in the industry, on the level of Zeiss and S&B and better than USO, NF, Leupold etc.
That being said, a lot of people have had problems with the durability of the scopes, with many having internal problems and needing to be sent back. According to Scott at Liberty optics, this has been corrected for in Gen4, but that remains to be seen.
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I never realized how important "clarity" and "definition of target" was until I looked through my first set of Swarovski 8X56 SLC's. When you can count the pieces of bark on a Sycamore tree at a couple of hundred yards. And see the individual colors of the pieces of bark. Then you realize what quality of glass is. I will take quality of glass any day over magnification.
I have never owned a USO scope, so I cannot speak to their quality of glass. But I have several Zeiss, Swaro., and S&B scopes and binocs. And I wil take a 10X glass of that quality any day over the magnification. Tom.
I never realized how important "clarity" and "definition of target" was until I looked through my first set of Swarovski 8X56 SLC's. When you can count the pieces of bark on a Sycamore tree at a couple of hundred yards. And see the individual colors of the pieces of bark. Then you realize what quality of glass is. I will take quality of glass any day over magnification.
I have never owned a USO scope, so I cannot speak to their quality of glass. But I have several Zeiss, Swaro., and S&B scopes and binocs. And I wil take a 10X glass of that quality any day over the magnification. Tom.
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Tom, you have a good point. But if your applications include small(er) targets at much longer distances than a couple of hundred yards - inability to crank your magnification above 10x would hinder your ability to take the shot regardless of how well you could count pieces of bark at 200 yd.
While scopes with great clarity and great magnification range do exist - they cost accordingly. So we're back to making a compromise considering required capabilities (that include clarity), cost - and money available for that (either from your own pocket that's probably not bottomless, or from your department's pocket which sometimes is even shallower).
Tom, you have a good point. But if your applications include small(er) targets at much longer distances than a couple of hundred yards - inability to crank your magnification above 10x would hinder your ability to take the shot regardless of how well you could count pieces of bark at 200 yd.
While scopes with great clarity and great magnification range do exist - they cost accordingly. So we're back to making a compromise considering required capabilities (that include clarity), cost - and money available for that (either from your own pocket that's probably not bottomless, or from your department's pocket which sometimes is even shallower).
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