I'm about to rebuild an old long range rifle that was done in a lazzeroni patriot and considering replacing the bolt with a new one grom CEG. Has anyone here used one of these yet. Any feedback would be appreciated. Rem 700SA, going back to 308 Win with 1x11.25 5r at 24 inches in mcmillan a3.
Gunsmithing competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
- Thread starter xxjbj
- Start date
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
Yes...Contact brand692. He was just showing that exact bolt to me at the range. It has an interesting extractor setup, but was flinging his 338 Lapua brass directly out of the ejection port with no contact to the windage knob.
Josh
Yes...Contact brand692. He was just showing that exact bolt to me at the range. It has an interesting extractor setup, but was flinging his 338 Lapua brass directly out of the ejection port with no contact to the windage knob.
Josh
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1969298
That is a write up I did about it. I haven't really followed up on it as I don't have a bunch of rounds on it yet.
Here is where it resides now.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1969298
That is a write up I did about it. I haven't really followed up on it as I don't have a bunch of rounds on it yet.
Here is where it resides now.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
Here is a pic of that extractor Josh was talking about. Notice how it positioned directly inside the right lug. It provides a nice 90 degree angle when it ejects brass. That is really nice considering the size of the turrets on some scopes. Particularly the Premier. The long cases combined with a big windage turret will equal dinged turret. Not a problem with this bolt.
In this pic, you see how the bolt handle comes out. The knob handle is not my favorite design-although the way it attaches to the one piece bolt is. I really like the KMW knob that you can get for the Surgeon. Well, Josh (MinorDamage) made a good point looking at it this weekend at the range. I think I will have someone make me a threaded piece that I will red locktite in the handle, and then thread the other end to accept a KMW (or similar style) handle:
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. The smith who put this rifle together is on this board as well. He may be able to offer you some more "gunsmith" type of advice.
Here is a pic of that extractor Josh was talking about. Notice how it positioned directly inside the right lug. It provides a nice 90 degree angle when it ejects brass. That is really nice considering the size of the turrets on some scopes. Particularly the Premier. The long cases combined with a big windage turret will equal dinged turret. Not a problem with this bolt.
In this pic, you see how the bolt handle comes out. The knob handle is not my favorite design-although the way it attaches to the one piece bolt is. I really like the KMW knob that you can get for the Surgeon. Well, Josh (MinorDamage) made a good point looking at it this weekend at the range. I think I will have someone make me a threaded piece that I will red locktite in the handle, and then thread the other end to accept a KMW (or similar style) handle:
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. The smith who put this rifle together is on this board as well. He may be able to offer you some more "gunsmith" type of advice.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
while removing alot of material from the locking lug to install that extractor and it still working fine kind of make you wonder why everybody is so adamit about the rem 700 action being to weak for the 338 lapua case!!
granted that will be mating with the bottm lug abutment which has alot less strength than the top one (on repeaters anyway) .
Looks like a very good desgine
while removing alot of material from the locking lug to install that extractor and it still working fine kind of make you wonder why everybody is so adamit about the rem 700 action being to weak for the 338 lapua case!!
granted that will be mating with the bottm lug abutment which has alot less strength than the top one (on repeaters anyway) .
Looks like a very good desgine
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The knob handle is not my favorite design-although the way it attaches to the one piece bolt is. I really like the KMW knob that you can get for the Surgeon. Well, Josh (MinorDamage) made a good point looking at it this weekend at the range. I think I will have someone make me a threaded piece that I will red locktite in the handle, and then thread the other end to accept a KMW (or similar style) handle:
</div></div>
I would think you could have what your thinking of made locally pretty easy. Figure out what diameter, how long and what threads on each end and your all set.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The knob handle is not my favorite design-although the way it attaches to the one piece bolt is. I really like the KMW knob that you can get for the Surgeon. Well, Josh (MinorDamage) made a good point looking at it this weekend at the range. I think I will have someone make me a threaded piece that I will red locktite in the handle, and then thread the other end to accept a KMW (or similar style) handle:
</div></div>
I would think you could have what your thinking of made locally pretty easy. Figure out what diameter, how long and what threads on each end and your all set.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">while removing alot of material from the locking lug to install that extractor and it still working fine kind of make you wonder why everybody is so adamit about the rem 700 action being to weak for the 338 lapua case!!
granted that will be mating with the bottm lug abutment which has alot less strength than the top one (on repeaters anyway) .
Looks like a very good desgine </div></div>
I guess I should note that this rifle was built with a Chromoly action and barrel. I read a thread, I think over on LRH, written by Kirby Allen specifically addressing the 338LM class of cartridges and the Remington 700. IIRC, he explained that he would not use a factory Remington SS receiver for a 338LM class cartridge. He had witnessed, first hand, lug setback with that class of cartridges in a SS Remington receiver.
I must caveat all this with the fact that I know nearly nothing about metallurgical processes, the strength of different steels, or anything gunsmithing.
What I do know is that Remington produces a 338LM from the factory and I haven't heard of a failure on one of them to date. I wanted a 338LM on a true 700 footprint without the longer tenon, larger diameter receiver body, or a different tang; but I didn't want a MLR. The donor action for this was a new chromoly 300RUM SPS. According to Larry at CEG, the bolt is 420 SS (he should know, he makes them). Midway mistakenly lists it as a 4140. It is most definitely not 4140.
Like I said,I don't have a lot of rounds on this setup. Time will tell if it will indeed hold up or not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">while removing alot of material from the locking lug to install that extractor and it still working fine kind of make you wonder why everybody is so adamit about the rem 700 action being to weak for the 338 lapua case!!
granted that will be mating with the bottm lug abutment which has alot less strength than the top one (on repeaters anyway) .
Looks like a very good desgine </div></div>
I guess I should note that this rifle was built with a Chromoly action and barrel. I read a thread, I think over on LRH, written by Kirby Allen specifically addressing the 338LM class of cartridges and the Remington 700. IIRC, he explained that he would not use a factory Remington SS receiver for a 338LM class cartridge. He had witnessed, first hand, lug setback with that class of cartridges in a SS Remington receiver.
I must caveat all this with the fact that I know nearly nothing about metallurgical processes, the strength of different steels, or anything gunsmithing.
What I do know is that Remington produces a 338LM from the factory and I haven't heard of a failure on one of them to date. I wanted a 338LM on a true 700 footprint without the longer tenon, larger diameter receiver body, or a different tang; but I didn't want a MLR. The donor action for this was a new chromoly 300RUM SPS. According to Larry at CEG, the bolt is 420 SS (he should know, he makes them). Midway mistakenly lists it as a 4140. It is most definitely not 4140.
Like I said,I don't have a lot of rounds on this setup. Time will tell if it will indeed hold up or not.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
That extractor is bad ass.
Notice what it ISN'T. It's NOT a Sako that will fly out the gun and potentially kill/maim someone in close proximity if a case ruptures.
Bravo and well done!
Very nice.
That extractor is bad ass.
Notice what it ISN'T. It's NOT a Sako that will fly out the gun and potentially kill/maim someone in close proximity if a case ruptures.
Bravo and well done!
Very nice.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
Gentlemen, thank you for the info. just got in a ceg 700 chassis for the local pd to demo. might have to change my mind as to what stock to put on my build as well.
Gentlemen, thank you for the info. just got in a ceg 700 chassis for the local pd to demo. might have to change my mind as to what stock to put on my build as well.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
That extractor's a very clean setup; remaining captured within the bolt body.
That extractor's a very clean setup; remaining captured within the bolt body.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
That is a nifty looking bolt. I was also wondering about the strength of it with all that lug material removed.
That is a nifty looking bolt. I was also wondering about the strength of it with all that lug material removed.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cegorach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is a nifty looking bolt. I was also wondering about the strength of it with all that lug material removed. </div></div>
Probably still alot stronger than the bottom lug buttres that it seats to
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cegorach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is a nifty looking bolt. I was also wondering about the strength of it with all that lug material removed. </div></div>
Probably still alot stronger than the bottom lug buttres that it seats to
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ackleyfan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there extra material so that the bolt and extraction surfaces can be timed? </div></div>
I wish I could understand what you mean. Unfortunately, I'm not a gunsmith. Maybe the guy who built it will chime in and be able to answer that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ackleyfan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there extra material so that the bolt and extraction surfaces can be timed? </div></div>
I wish I could understand what you mean. Unfortunately, I'm not a gunsmith. Maybe the guy who built it will chime in and be able to answer that.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ackleyfan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there extra material so that the bolt and extraction surfaces can be timed? </div></div>
i have never heard of timing a extractor? do you mean trued? if so there is no need this thing is as true as they come there is nothing that needs to be done to these except put it in and run it. i built brand692 338 and that is by far the nicest replacement bolt i have seen for a remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ackleyfan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there extra material so that the bolt and extraction surfaces can be timed? </div></div>
i have never heard of timing a extractor? do you mean trued? if so there is no need this thing is as true as they come there is nothing that needs to be done to these except put it in and run it. i built brand692 338 and that is by far the nicest replacement bolt i have seen for a remington 700
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
Maybe this will help..
http://www.onetruemedia.com/otm_site/vie...tm_medium=image
Maybe this will help..
http://www.onetruemedia.com/otm_site/vie...tm_medium=image
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
Ackley fan,
I see what you mean now by timing the extractor.
I sat down and re read the instructions that came with the CEG Bolt. According to them, and Larry, the reason they have more material between the back of the lugs and the BF (.010) is so that a semi competent smith could put this bolt in his 338LM (probably a MLR or something) and simply cut the chamber deeper without having to go through the whole setback process.
Your question brings up a good point though. I went and looked at the timing/extraction cam on mine and I would consider it to be perfect. So maybe that extra .010 does more than just provide ease of installation. I do know that there had to be some material removed on the rear bridge by coues103.
All that being said though, I would tend to blame Rem for the inconsistencies in their actions. We all know about them. However, when I received this bolt I tried it in three different 700s. Some fit, some didn't.
I would say that the bolt itself is well thought out and the extra .010 makes it so that it can be truely custom fit.
I have a couple hundred rounds on mine now. It was REALLY tight at first, but feels like its running on ball bearings now.
Ackley fan,
I see what you mean now by timing the extractor.
I sat down and re read the instructions that came with the CEG Bolt. According to them, and Larry, the reason they have more material between the back of the lugs and the BF (.010) is so that a semi competent smith could put this bolt in his 338LM (probably a MLR or something) and simply cut the chamber deeper without having to go through the whole setback process.
Your question brings up a good point though. I went and looked at the timing/extraction cam on mine and I would consider it to be perfect. So maybe that extra .010 does more than just provide ease of installation. I do know that there had to be some material removed on the rear bridge by coues103.
All that being said though, I would tend to blame Rem for the inconsistencies in their actions. We all know about them. However, when I received this bolt I tried it in three different 700s. Some fit, some didn't.
I would say that the bolt itself is well thought out and the extra .010 makes it so that it can be truely custom fit.
I have a couple hundred rounds on mine now. It was REALLY tight at first, but feels like its running on ball bearings now.
Re: competitive edge gunworks remington bolts
i had to a little work on brand692 bolt to get it to close on his action because of what you call timing. i had to do very minor fitting to get it timed just right. but like brand692 said some actions it just dropped in a few and was tight in others. i could not even get his to close at first and after truing the action and setting back the lug surface in the acion i was able to get it really close and then had to move the bolt handle slot forwrd to get it 100%. so depending on how remington did on your action depends on how the bolt will fit.
i had to a little work on brand692 bolt to get it to close on his action because of what you call timing. i had to do very minor fitting to get it timed just right. but like brand692 said some actions it just dropped in a few and was tight in others. i could not even get his to close at first and after truing the action and setting back the lug surface in the acion i was able to get it really close and then had to move the bolt handle slot forwrd to get it 100%. so depending on how remington did on your action depends on how the bolt will fit.
